Superman Returns did superman regret that he left for krypton?

[superbaby]

did superman regret that he left the world and went back to krypton?
has he treated the earth as his home planet??
if he found another solid proof that there were some kryptonian survivors out there, would he leave again???

any idea after watching SR?

 

[mego joe]

I think he would regret that he left w/o tying up his loose ends before leaving, but he probably doesn't regret checking out Krypton. THat's my take. That would make sense. But it didn't make sense to me that he would leave in the first place w/o tying up loose ends, so I'm probably not the best judge of this SR 'SUperman.'

 

[dude stannis]

In the Novelisation it talks about him hoping not to find others like General Zod.

 

[dark_b]

will you now open a new thread for any new question that you wil make up?
do you really want to know this or is it all a big plan do bash SR?

 

[Cosmic]

Superbaby, the answer to all of your questions is...these questions were never seriously considered by the creative staff. The end.

 

[El Payaso]

Nop, he didn't gave a damn about it and was planning a second visit next thursday.

 

[mego joe]

In the Novelisation it talks about him hoping not to find others like General Zod.

That's interesting. So, the novelization addresses the fact that he's already encountered Zod in some way. What else is in the novelization that would be interesting?

 

[Freddy_Krueger]

That's interesting. So, the novelization addresses the fact that he's already encountered Zod in some way. What else is in the novelization that would be interesting?

Actually, it insinuates that the two haven't met yet.

"But the crystal had told him Jor-El had sent--what was his name?--General Zod?--and two others into the Phantom Zone..." (p. 36)

If he had met him previously, you'd think he'd remember his name.

 

[mego joe]

Actually, it insinuates that the two haven't met yet.

"But the crystal had told him Jor-El had sent--what was his name?--General Zod?--and two others into the Phantom Zone..." (p. 36)

If he had met him previously, you'd think he'd remember his name.

Ahh, so it's just acknowledging that Superman was aware of Zod's existence from the Crystals. Still interesting, but because of what you said, it implies he hasn't met Zod or the other criminals yet. I wonder if that was purposeful or not?

How does the novelization deal with Jason since it doesn't show that Jason is SUperman's son?

How does the piano kill Luthor's henchman?

Does Superman go into Jason's room at the end?

Is there anything more between Lois and SUperman at the end?

 

[dude stannis]

Actually, it insinuates that the two haven't met yet.

"But the crystal had told him Jor-El had sent--what was his name?--General Zod?--and two others into the Phantom Zone..." (p. 36)

If he had met him previously, you'd think he'd remember his name.

Thanks man, I haven't read it in forever. EDIT: Just flicked through it. It looks pretty ambiguous to me.

How does the novelization deal with Jason since it doesn't show that Jason is SUperman's son?

Everything is kept exactly the same bar the death of Brutus.

How does the piano kill Luthor's henchman?

Lois kills him in self defence. I can't remember how. Freddy?

Does Superman go into Jason's room at the end?

No. He just appears over Lois' back yard.

Is there anything more between Lois and SUperman at the end?

Not really. The scene is pretty much the same.

 

[dark_b]

in novelizations the writters make some stuff up. what is in the book is not 100% from the director.

 

[Showtime]

The novelization writer has some creative license considering books are a different medium than the movie. In this case they wanted to hide the fact that Jason was Superman's son, so that whole scenario was written different, in order not to spoil the movie.

Also you have to consider that the writer didn't writing the novel based on the movie, but based on the script, which is also different than the movie.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

did superman regret that he left the world and went back to krypton?
has he treated the earth as his home planet??
if he found another solid proof that there were some kryptonian survivors out there, would he leave again???

any idea after watching SR?

I think he defintely regretted leaving without giving an explanation, and i think he would leave again to help out Kryptonian survivors, but he would give an explanation to certain people for why he was leaving.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Lois kills him in self defence. I can't remember how.

Didn't Lois kill Brutus by pulling a bookcase on top of him? I thought I remembered someone saying that on these boards.

 

[dark_b]

I think he defintely regretted leaving without giving an explanation, and i think he would leave again to help out Kryptonian survivors, but he would give an explanation to certain people for why he was leaving.

superman in SR: i am sorry lois

and fans are hating singer that superman was gone without saying her.
he said sorry. what makes me happy is that superman made superman more human( more normal) and that is how IMO he connected him with us.
he made a big mistake. but like every hero he said that he is sorry.
and lois was just mad because she didnt knwo why. after he explained to her it was over with the hate.

was written good. not the best but good.

i still dont get the hate. i would be more mad because of the CGI and lack of action for a superman.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

superman in SR: i am sorry lois

and fans are hating singer that superman was gone without saying her.
he said sorry. what makes me happy is that superman made superman more human( more normal) and that is how IMO he connected him with us.
he made a big mistake. but like every hero he said that he is sorry.
and lois was just mad because she didnt knwo why. after he explained to her it was over with the hate.

was written good. not the best but good.

i still dont get the hate. i would be more mad because of the CGI and lack of action for a superman.

Not only did he say sorry Dark B, but when leaving the sea-plane to go back to NK, he obviously thought he wasnt coming back, he made sure he said "Bye Lois."

 

[Showtime]

I think that is the point of the story, time doesn't stand still, even for Superman. "Even you can't stop the world from spinning".

I think he made mistakes, regrets them, but is paying for them. He has redeemed himself to Lois and the people of the world. I like that Superman was humanized but at the same time made into a God among men. I personally don't mind this potrayal, I know some have a problem with it. He was raised by the Kents therefore he has human tendencies, making mistakes is one of them.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I think that is the point of the story, time doesn't stand still, even for Superman. "Even you can't stop the world from spinning".

I think he made mistakes, regrets them, but is paying for them. He has redeemed himself to Lois and the people of the world. I like that Superman was humanized but at the same time made into a God among men. I personally don't mind this potrayal, I know some have a problem with it. He was raised by the Kents therefore he has human tendencies, making mistakes is one of them.

That is exactly what draws me to this movie, you summed it up perfectly Showtime. He is human at heart, he just has an amazing power to go with it.

Also, despite the fact that he has such cool powers, he is essentially a lonely and different person, and we have all felt lonely and different at some point or another, so we can all relate to that IMO.

 

[El Payaso]

I think that is the point of the story, time doesn't stand still, even for Superman. "Even you can't stop the world from spinning".

I think he made mistakes, regrets them, but is paying for them. He has redeemed himself to Lois and the people of the world. I like that Superman was humanized but at the same time made into a God among men. I personally don't mind this potrayal, I know some have a problem with it. He was raised by the Kents therefore he has human tendencies, making mistakes is one of them.

The way he's portrayed is what convinced me about how good the movie was. Now I have a better respect for the character watching he has way more than 1 dimension or 2.

 

[dark_b]

Not only did he say sorry Dark B, but when leaving the sea-plane to go back to NK, he obviously thought he wasnt coming back, he made sure he said "Bye Lois."

good point.

the first time he made a mistake. he made sure he will not make it again. what is good is that it would be more important to say goodbye when he left to krypton thn when he got to NK. but it was character development for me.

by lois. brandon said it very good.

but i never had problems with that part of the movie.

i ma praying for better use of CGI,more action and a brighter movie.

 

[dark_b]

I think that is the point of the story, time doesn't stand still, even for Superman. "Even you can't stop the world from spinning".

I think he made mistakes, regrets them, but is paying for them. He has redeemed himself to Lois and the people of the world. I like that Superman was humanized but at the same time made into a God among men. I personally don't mind this potrayal, I know some have a problem with it. He was raised by the Kents therefore he has human tendencies, making mistakes is one of them.

i agree.
i think we talked about this already.

it makes even sense that he is like that. after all he was raised by the humans. of course joer-el thought him very well but he is a human in hes heart. i htink because of the kents he is in love with lois and because of them he had a relationship with her before SR. i think that if it would be by joer-el rules he would only save poeple and be a lot of times alone. at least thats how i imagined him.
mistakes are what makes us human
there were a lot of stuff about superman in this movie. and they were good. but more dialoge of superman more dialoge with lex wouldnt hurt.

like i said IMO SR make superman more human. if this was all singers plan and he always wanted to make a more scifi action movie in the sequel than ok. but still more action wouldnt hurt with that kind of budget.

 

[Showtime]

That is exactly what draws me to this movie, you summed it up perfectly Showtime. He is human at heart, he just has an amazing power to go with it.

Also, despite the fact that he has such cool powers, he is essentially a lonely and different person, and we have all felt lonely and different at some point or another, so we can all relate to that IMO.

"Even though you were raised as a human being, you are not one of them."

This is what seperates Superman from his soon to be alien foes such as Brainiac. They are cold and ruthless, they look at human beings as inferior or in some cases merely experiments. Superman is and always will harbor that human element with him. On the outside he is a human being, his skin, his hair, his eyes. Inside he carries with him these great powers, and a secret that he has to keep inside in order to protect the world and the people he has grown to love. His habits, his emotional responses, they are obstructed by human tendencies. "He actually cares..." Even Zod couldn't believe it.

I think Singer and company did what they wanted to do, they really made him look and seem alien. If you watch him at the scene where he is at Lois's home as Superman and he is hovering in the trees, look at his face. It's very alien, he's on the outside looking in so to speak. Some people may not agree with this potrayal of Superman, and I can see why, it's different. Does it vary so far to the left that it isn't Superman as some claim? I don't think so, but it is a different take on Superman, which I ended up liking.

 

[Showtime]

The way he's portrayed is what convinced me about how good the movie was. Now I have a better respect for the character watching he has way more than 1 dimension or 2.

I think he was humanized in the potrayals in STM and SM2, but I think they really took it to the next level. I liked to see Superman making mistakes, but I also like to see that he has paid for them, and will learn from them.

 

[Showtime]

i agree.
i think we talked about this already.

it makes even sense that he is like that. after all he was raised by the humans. of course joer-el thought him very well but he is a human in hes heart. i htink because of the kents he is in love with lois and because of them he had a relationship with her before SR. i think that if it would be by joer-el rules he would only save poeple and be a lot of times alone. at least thats how i imagined him.
mistakes are what makes us human
there were a lot of stuff about superman in this movie. and they were good. but more dialoge of superman more dialoge with lex wouldnt hurt.

like i said IMO SR make superman more human. if this was all singers plan and he always wanted to make a more scifi action movie in the sequel than ok. but still more action wouldnt hurt with that kind of budget.

We have discussed this before DB, me and you have alot of good conversations and debate.

Jorel strictly forbade Superman from getting involved with the affairs of humans, but Superman fell in love with Lois. He now has a child with her, which Jorel would certainly not approve of. It's almost a microcosm of how some individuals feel about bi-racial relationships/marriages.

I agree in regards to the Superman and Lex dialogue, a meeting of the minds as they say ala STM. I beg for more of this in a sequel, because there wasn't nearly enough in Returns. I was hoping for a little more back and forth between Superman and Lex at NK, but it just didn't pan out.

 

[El Payaso]

I think he was humanized in the potrayals in STM and SM2, but I think they really took it to the next level. I liked to see Superman making mistakes, but I also like to see that he has paid for them, and will learn from them.

I agree. I liked what Christopher Reeve did in STM and SII but for example I hate how after the amnesia kiss, Clark just smiles and bam, it's like once Lois forgot about the problem, Superman has no grief inside him anymore because he can't be with Lois. Being Superman, being restricted of a normal life is not an easy thing. SR is the first film where I actually see Superman's grief and loneliness about this. Or at least the first time it hits me.