Discussion: Evolution

[Won '08]

Wheres the evidence that a deity made of pure energy came to earth and gave us this "ability"?

 

[Cyrusbales]

what really bugs me about god, is that if god is so infinitaly powerful and can do anything in an instant etc as his power is limitless!

How come it took him 6 days to create the earth, and then he rested for a day! Not that powerful really!

Also, the red shift proves that loads of galaxies were created at the same time, hich is beyond the power of the christian god....

 

[raybia]

God doesn't exist. I mean. What more is there to say? Evolution is a scientific FACT.

Simple =/

Prove it.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Prove it.

Well the falsification theory seems valid to me, so actually, prove that 'god doesn't exist' is wrong.....

 

[Caliber]

Prove it.

Prove god exists and don't site that its a issue of faith. Faith is not evidence and could be anything from strange sensations in the brain.

 

[Spiderine]

I dont know if you can prove he exists or not. The fact is many people believe that they communicate with a higher spiritual being through prayer and meditation.So its just really about what you believe in. You can argue that its just in the mind but try telling that to someone who believes in divine intervention.

 

[raybia]

Well the falsification theory seems valid to me, so actually, prove that 'god doesn't exist' is wrong.....

But who's to say that its right or wrong?

6+ billion people believe in a Creation or Supreme deity. Does that mean that G-d exist? Of course not, but for a small number to people to tell the majority that your belief is wrong is no better for the majority doing the same to them.

If I believe in G-d and that belief and faith enables me to live a pretty decent existence, then why in the hell should some interfere with that? Of course, I feel the same about those that don't believe if G-d.

I'm not going to ridicule an Athesist, but just don't impose on my right to worship an entity that I believe is my creator and maintainer.

My goal or mission in life is not to convince people of the existence of G-d.

My goal is to demonstrate that I have solid faith in my beliefs through my actions. Demonstrate to who? To both G-d and myself.

 

[Caliber]

I dont know if you can prove he exists or not. The fact is many people believe that they communicate with a higher spiritual being through prayer and meditation.So its just really about what you believe in. You can argue that its just in the mind but try telling that to someone who believes in divine intervention.

Thats why I said what I said. Then no one can prove god exists yet they demand proof evolution is correct or that aliens exist. You can't say prove to me evolution is right and not have a solid arguement to back the claim that god exists. Theres no double standard here.

 

[Cyrusbales]

But who's to say that its right or wrong?

6+ billion people believe in a Creation or Supreme deity. Does that mean that G-d exist? Of course not, but for a small number to people to tell the majority that your belief is wrong is no better for the majority doing the same to them.

If I believe in G-d and that belief and faith enables me to live a pretty decent existence, then why in the hell should some interfere with that? Of course, I feel the same about those that don't believe if G-d.

I'm not going to ridicule an Athesist, but just don't impose on my right to worship an entity that I believe is my creator and maintainer.

My goal or mission in life is not to convince people of the existence of G-d.

My goal is to demonstrate that I have solid faith in my beliefs through my actions. Demonstrate to who? To both G-d and myself.

but why do people with solid beliefs between them and god feel the ned to impose it? And 6+ billion is waaaaay off, there's like 6 1/2 billion people on earth.

A lot of the time, relgion lowers the quality of life for people, in terms of violence, segregation and self punitive suffering. I have no problem with people having religion and keeping it themsleves, but very few do. And when people use religion as something to argue against science and facts? that bugs me!

Religion scares me, "be good or have eternal suffering", It's a bit of be nice or you get hurt bad. It's more of a threat, rather than people just wanting to be nice to people becuase they want to! Pascal's wager!

 

[raybia]

Prove god exists and don't site that its a issue of faith. Faith is not evidence and could be anything from strange sensations in the brain.

It is not necessary to prove it since the belief of others is not needed to validate my own.

I believe in G-d and my faith is not evidence of G-d but it is evidence of what I believe in.

My personal experiences is the evidence that has strengthed my of my faith in G-d. Not evidence for you, but evidence for me.

 

[CyberFaust]

But who's to say that its right or wrong?

6+ billion people believe in a Creation or Supreme deity. Does that mean that G-d exist? Of course not, but for a small number to people to tell the majority that your belief is wrong is no better for the majority doing the same to them.

If I believe in G-d and that belief and faith enables me to live a pretty decent existence, then why in the hell should some interfere with that? Of course, I feel the same about those that don't believe if G-d.

I'm not going to ridicule an Athesist, but just don't impose on my right to worship an entity that I believe is my creator and maintainer.

My goal or mission in life is not to convince people of the existence of G-d.

My goal is to demonstrate that I have solid faith in my beliefs through my actions. Demonstrate to who? To both G-d and myself.

one makes his own reality, God exists for you and it doesn't exist for me at the same time, reality is relative, you make your own, if you want god to exist, he does, it's that easy

 

[Spiderine]

One who doesnt believe needs proof, one who does perhaps has all the proof they need.

 

[Caliber]

It is not necessary to prove it since the belief of others is not needed to validate my own.

I believe in G-d and my faith is not evidence of G-d but it is evidence of what I believe in.

My personal experiences is the evidence that has strengthed my of my faith in G-d. Not evidence for you, but evidence for me.

I argee and disargee. First I will say you have a point but it doesn't make sense then when people say evolution can't be proved. People get into discussions such as this then say evolution can't be proven hence the other asks god can't be proven to exist. Then the one who questioned evolution goes well I can't prove god exists yet I shall say the typical it all depends on my experiences is evidence response. Yet somehow they can't believe is "crazy theories like evolution or anything science says,

 

[raybia]

one makes his own reality, God exists for you and it doesn't exist for me at the same time, reality is relative, you make your own, if you want god to exist, he does, it's that easy

For me G-d does exist, of course I also believe that the existence of G-d is depended on nothing. G-d is the Creator of all of creation, but the creation does not create G-d.

 

[CyberFaust]

For me G-d does exist, of course I also believe that the existence of G-d is depended on nothing. G-d is the Creator of all of creation, but the creation does not create G-d.

But he is! The creator is defined by his creation, without it he is nothing.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Saying, "For ME, God exists." is honest, but not enough.
If you're making an outrageous claim, you should have some proof for it.

For a homeless schizophrenic, the whole city is in on an elaborate scheme to try and thwart his plans to get a soy bean-fueled transportation device into production.
Now if he can sneak me into the mayor's office and show me memos about thwarting him, OR if he can pour some soy beans into a machine and I see a flash of light and end up in China, THEN I might have some respect for his beliefs, and be tempted to adopt the same.

For some people science is irrelevant. For them, they believe you can get AIDS from sitting on a toilet seat.

And how many billions believe in God is irrelevant because:

1) They don't believe in the same God and almost all of their "Gods" claim to be the only true/real "God" and denounce those who believe in other Gods as "sinners" or "the damned".
There is NO way they can all be right, so by their very existence, they tend to discredit "the majority".
Hindus have HUNDREDS of Gods.

2) There was a time when almost every single person on Earthbelieved the Sun obviously revolved in circles around the Earth.

The fact that there were only a handful of men who broke out of that superstitious simple-mindedness and discerned the truth, with the aid of science, does not diminish the superiority of their "beliefs" over the beliefs of "the majority".

 

[Canadian Rider]

Just checking in to see if someone has found the missing fossils and explained the appearance of the kneecap in humans yet?

No? So still a theory. K.

Continue on then ...

 

[Caliber]

Just checking in to see if someone has found the missing fossils and explained the appearance of the kneecap in humans yet?

No? So still a theory. K.

Continue on then ...

Here we go again, the fact that fossil are missing could be anything. Over time fossil can moved, damaged or parts of them stolen.

 

[CyberFaust]

Saying, "For ME, God exists." is honest, but not enough.
If you're making an outrageous claim, you should have some proof for it.

For a homeless schizophrenic, the whole city is in on an elaborate scheme to try and thwart his plans to get a soy bean-fueled transportation device into production.
Now if he can sneak me into the mayor's office and show me memos about thwarting him, OR if he can pour some soy beans into a machine and I see a flash of light and end up in China, THEN I might have some respect for his beliefs, and be tempted to adopt the same.

For some people science is irrelevant. For them, they believe you can get AIDS from sitting on a toilet seat.

And how many billions believe in God is irrelevant because:

1) They don't believe in the same God and almost all of their "Gods" claim to be the only true/real "God" and denounce those who believe in other Gods as "sinners" or "the damned".
There is NO way they can all be right, so by their very existence, they tend to discredit "the majority".
Hindus have HUNDREDS of Gods.

2) There was a time when almost every single person on Earthbelieved the Sun obviously revolved in circles around the Earth.

The fact that there were only a handful of men who broke out of that superstitious simple-mindedness and discerned the truth, with the aid of science, does not diminish the superiority of their "beliefs" over the beliefs of "the majority".

FOr me god doesn't exist, i am somewhat of a atheist, as Nietzsche sayed, God is dead. And he is, to me. I can accept that some people choose to believe in God because some people need him on some levels to cope with life and it's crap day-in day-out. And i belive that you define your reality, so, i believe that god is there...for them. Not in my reality, not in your reality but in theirs because, it's a totally different universe.

 

[Caliber]

Saying, "For ME, God exists." is honest, but not enough.
If you're making an outrageous claim, you should have some proof for it.

For a homeless schizophrenic, the whole city is in on an elaborate scheme to try and thwart his plans to get a soy bean-fueled transportation device into production.
Now if he can sneak me into the mayor's office and show me memos about thwarting him, OR if he can pour some soy beans into a machine and I see a flash of light and end up in China, THEN I might have some respect for his beliefs, and be tempted to adopt the same.

For some people science is irrelevant. For them, they believe you can get AIDS from sitting on a toilet seat.

And how many billions believe in God is irrelevant because:

1) They don't believe in the same God and almost all of their "Gods" claim to be the only true/real "God" and denounce those who believe in other Gods as "sinners" or "the damned".
There is NO way they can all be right, so by their very existence, they tend to discredit "the majority".
Hindus have HUNDREDS of Gods.

2) There was a time when almost every single person on Earthbelieved the Sun obviously revolved in circles around the Earth.

The fact that there were only a handful of men who broke out of that superstitious simple-mindedness and discerned the truth, with the aid of science, does not diminish the superiority of their "beliefs" over the beliefs of "the majority".

Thank you, I was trying to make that point but didn't know tp phrase it.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Saying, "For ME, God exists." is honest, but not enough.
If you're making an outrageous claim, you should have some proof for it.

For a homeless schizophrenic, the whole city is in on an elaborate scheme to try and thwart his plans to get a soy bean-fueled transportation device into production.
Now if he can sneak me into the mayor's office and show me memos about thwarting him, OR if he can pour some soy beans into a machine and I see a flash of light and end up in China, THEN I might have some respect for his beliefs, and be tempted to adopt the same.

For some people science is irrelevant. For them, they believe you can get AIDS from sitting on a toilet seat.

And how many billions believe in God is irrelevant because:

1) They don't believe in the same God and almost all of their "Gods" claim to be the only true/real "God" and denounce those who believe in other Gods as "sinners" or "the damned".
There is NO way they can all be right, so by their very existence, they tend to discredit "the majority".
Hindus have HUNDREDS of Gods.

2) There was a time when almost every single person on Earthbelieved the Sun obviously revolved in circles around the Earth.

The fact that there were only a handful of men who broke out of that superstitious simple-mindedness and discerned the truth, with the aid of science, does not diminish the superiority of their "beliefs" over the beliefs of "the majority".

I agree with everything you say, not only that but many religions (such as Christianity) have taken or borrowed much of their stories from previous religions and or beings that have been spoken about long before they are mention in said religion.


BUT, the one thing that I do believe, is that there is something, some higher being of some sort. God may not be the proper name, or maybe it is. But there is definately something more to this exsitence than our physical life here on this planet.

 

[Secret_Riddle]

My best friend is a Christian, and I'm an athiest (although i dont like to call myself athiest because that means that i am stating other peoples religions as wrong, and although i dont believe in religion, that doesnt mean others cant.)

ANYWAYS, yah sometimes me and my friend get in friendly arguments about it but in the end, it doesnt matter. Whether or not we came from fish, or a greater power, wont ultimately effect what happens tomorrow.

 

[Caliber]

I agree with everything you say, not only that but many religions (such as Christianity) have taken or borrowed much of their stories from previous religions and or beings that have been spoken about long before they are mention in said religion.


BUT, the one thing that I do believe, is that there is something, some higher being of some sort. God may not be the proper name, or maybe it is. But there is definately something more to this exsitence than our physical life here on this planet.

I do think that there is some greater force and I'm a atheist. Though I intend to prove my theory somehow.But its sad they stole good ideas and have used to a agenda.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I do think that there is some greater force and I'm a atheist. But its sad they stole good ideas and have used to a agenda.

Yes I agree completely

 

[jaguarr]

For a homeless schizophrenic, the whole city is in on an elaborate scheme to try and thwart his plans to get a soy bean-fueled transportation device into production.
Now if he can sneak me into the mayor's office and show me memos about thwarting him, OR if he can pour some soy beans into a machine and I see a flash of light and end up in China, THEN I might have some respect for his beliefs, and be tempted to adopt the same.

You promised never to tell anyone of my machine! My GLORIOUS machine! You must be silenced!

jag