🇺🇸 Discussion: General Election 2024, 🥥 VS 🍊

[squeekness]

Let Trump voters learn the hard way what tariffs are and how bad they are for America.

Hope they like paying more for everything while tripping over the newly homeless.

 

[squeekness]

The best thing parents can do is get their kids the **** off the internet and into some kind of real social life.

The second best thing is that liberals have to go into and copy the conservative internet ecosystem but from a different perspective if many parents won't do the best thing for their children.

In too many ways as I've said before, the internet is more their teacher than their parents (or absent father) actually are.

This is how humanity falls.

 

[squeekness]

I agree, we have been told over and over we are the beacon of freedom and Americans are decent, kind and open minded, since Trump emerged from his hole we see just how horribe americans can be, and will be, no one thinks we will hurt each other for a man, got news for you, there are thousands of people right now signed up with project 2025 to purge the government of people not loyal to Trump.

Now they can walk freely into the open while they get ready to round up the undesirables. All they need now are the brown shirts.

 

[Ironfan72]

Now they can walk freely into the open while they get ready to round up the undesirables. All they need now are the brown shirts.

They have red hats

 

[Detective Conan]

 

[Zarex]

I really need to do the same but it's a struggle. Yesterday I was sad. Today I'm enraged. I thought we were better than this, that America is better than this, but apparently we aren't. How can I trust people around me who smile so I will think they are good people but inside their souls are black? I'm not sure how to cope with this other than to withdraw into my books and shows and stay away from people right now. I don't know who to trust anymore.

My wife called me up crying today from work because a few of her colleagues are openly stoked and pumped over Trump Part Deux. I found out today that a longtime colleague of mine who I have had a good relationship with and knew leaned conservative went full on MAGA during our out of office experience and is celebrating as well. I hate them all and wish only bad things for them. America got conned by history's greatest con man, and I hope that those who voted for that incompetent, amoral, treasonous scumbag get their faces eaten off.

 

[Zarex]

Any election post mortem that doesn't conclude that "Kamala did fine, but the average American voter is dumb as rocks and a massive a-hole" isn't worth reading.

 

[Punisher_MAX]

No big shock there.

Do we have any Scots on the forum? I might want to move to Scotland lol

 

[blueharvest]

Some Americans Had No Clue Biden Dropped Out

Search interest for “Did Joe Biden drop out?” spiked on Election Day.

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[blueharvest]

Women Didn’t Let the Democrats Down. Men Did.

Kamala Harris actually got plenty of support from women. But men turned out in droves for the misogynist.

newrepublic.com

 

[blueharvest]

Do we have any Scots on the forum? I might want to move to Scotland lol

Scotland would be a good option, too. I'm not sure what home prices are like in that country, but pretty much any place would be a lot better than whatever America is going to become over the next four years under Trump.

 

[Ironfan72]

Any election post mortem that doesn't conclude that "Kamala did fine, but the average American voter is dumb as rocks and a massive a-hole" isn't worth reading.

I actually agree with you, its easy to sit here and critcise her for making mistakes, but from where i sit, she did fine, honestly the democrats as a whole screwed themselves, first, as much as i admire President Biden and think he has done a pretty good job overall, and might be remembered as one of the better presidents we had, he frankly shouldnt have run for a second term, i understand why he decided to do so, he beat Trump once and felt he was the logical choice to do so again, its not like he was much older than Trump, yes, he should have kept his word and just been a transitional president and let the democrats pick a person to run against who we all knew was going to be Trump.
So that decision immediately put them behind, as he decided after a terrible debate, one where he was sick and i saw alot of comments on here saying he needs to drop out immediately, he did, he made the logical decision to back Kamala, who by all measures was more than qualified to be the nominee, her immediate inpact on the race was evident as she leaped into the lead in the polls, her rallies were energetic, she brought life back into the party, i admit, apparently i was in a echo chamber as i believed all the hype, all the stories of her mobilizing millions of young black women and young voters, clearly those stories were over exaggerated, as that didnt happen, we believed the stories after hatefest 2024 that puerto ricans were outraged by the insults, that Haitians would vote in huge numbers because of Vances lies in Ohio, again, didnt happen, we believed the stores Swifties would win the election for Kamala after Trump attacked her and she endorsed Kamala, we were lead to believe just based off rallies that Kamala had massive support while Trump spoke in front of near empty arenas.
I heard she needed to do more press conferences, she gave them daily, she needed a good debate, she killed Trump, she did a massive media blitz on every podcast and talk show one could think of as all i heard was angry women would be voting to protect their rights, that didnt happen, in fact turns out the polls that were accurate were the conservative polls showing Trump leading, those were right.
Blaming Kamala for how we handled Gaza makes no sense, President Biden made those decisions, and who here thought he was wrong on October 8th when we pledged full support to help Isreal after over 1,000 people were killed, Isreals response has been horrible, but how exactly do you walk back support after saying our support is unwavering, then having Trump talking with Isreal and telling the american people he would have done things different, oh, please tell us, as he is a bigger supporter of Isreal than Biden, Kamala was clear she was taking a harder line with Isreal over Gaza which was a break from Biden, yet, Muslims decided to pull their support as to send a message to Biden, by all means, let me know how thats going to work out.
All i have learned from this election is Americans have no value for morals and we arent as good as we thought.

 

[DKDetective]

Any election post mortem that doesn't conclude that "Kamala did fine, but the average American voter is dumb as rocks and a massive a-hole" isn't worth reading.

Nope. Current Affairs' analysis is spot-on and is reflected in historical trends. The vast majority of Trump voters were not cult members as his declining rallies showed. As well, a big part of the problem seems to be lack of turnout as well.

Progressive economic policies are the key to victory and Harris failed to distance herself from a very unpopular incumbent. Until the economic inequality and erosion of the middle-class caused by 50 years of neoconservative economic consensus is reversed, bigotry and xenophobia will continue to have major appeal to those who feel disenfranchised by the system.

The problem is that the core message of the two campaigns was as follows:

Trump - I recognize that America is broken and I will fix it (doesn't matter that his policies don't make sense due to the broken state of American education and news media)
Biden/Harris - America and the economy is great and the status quo is worth fighting for. but here are a bunch of half-measures that will make it a little better for you (objectively better policies that make sense, but the message fails to recognize deep unhappiness)

The Democratic Party needs to abandon identity politics and put social issues on the backburner until the carnage caused by late stage capitalism is addressed. Fixing inequality and the concentration of wealth in the super rich is a rising tide that will lift all boat, including POC, LGBTQ+ individuals, and other minorities. This is what FDR did in the 30s and 40s and it set up the major advancements in civil rights in the 50s and 60s. As horrible as it is, you can't tell white men to share their privilege until they (and everybody) else is able to make a living wage.

TL;DR Bernie was right and he was the man for the moment in both 2016 and 2020. I wish I had seen it then. If I recall correctly, even diehard Trumpists like Rogan were Bernie Bros back in the day, which demonstrates how progressive economic populism is the best way to combat Trumpism.

Harris started losing the race as soon as she shifted from the change candidate in the face of two old white dudes to a continuation of Biden by tacking to the centre from the convention onwards.

 

[mclay18]

After reading Dan Rather’s Substack and seeing the video below, I feel healed. Still not happy about the next four years, but I’m ready to fight back against FDJT and live my life to the fullest.

 

[blueharvest]

 

[Drizzle]

I think about this every now and again but Trump brought it upon himself after all the birther nonsense.

Along those lines, the ex-Presidents should all boycott the Inauguration. Biden probably won't for obvious reasons but why should the rest of them play by the rules anymore after the last transition of power?

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

 

[Dark Raven]

If Hitler somehow came back today and the Constitution allowed for non Americans to be elected, Americans would have voted him into office. Even with everything he did, they would have overlooked and rationalised all his atrocities and still preferred him over a female and non-white president. It's no use holding him up as such a dictator or monster or thinking one can learn from history, because in the moment most would have still been mesmerized by him.

 

[blueharvest]

Trump’s support grew in almost every Ohio county in 2024, analysis shows

Springfield's Clark County is was among the Ohio counties where Donald Trump improved the most from 2020

www.cleveland.com

 

[Zarex]

Nope. Current Affairs' analysis is spot-on and is reflected in historical trends. The vast majority of Trump voters were not cult members as his declining rallies showed. As well, a big part of the problem seems to be lack of turnout as well.

Progressive economic policies are the key to victory and Harris failed to distance herself from a very unpopular incumbent. Until the economic inequality and erosion of the middle-class caused by 50 years of neoconservative economic consensus is reversed, bigotry and xenophobia will continue to have major appeal to those who feel disenfranchised by the system.

The problem is that the core message of the two campaigns was as follows:

Trump - I recognize that America is broken and I will fix it (doesn't matter that his policies don't make sense due to the broken state of American education and news media)
Biden/Harris - America and the economy is great and the status quo is worth fighting for. but here are a bunch of half-measures that will make it a little better for you (objectively better policies that make sense, but the message fails to recognize deep unhappiness)

The Democratic Party needs to abandon identity politics and put social issues on the backburner until the carnage caused by late stage capitalism is addressed. Fixing inequality and the concentration of wealth in the super rich is a rising tide that will lift all boat, including POC, LGBTQ+ individuals, and other minorities. This is what FDR did in the 30s and 40s and it set up the major advancements in civil rights in the 50s and 60s. As horrible as it is, you can't tell white men to share their privilege until they (and everybody) else is able to make a living wage.

TL;DR Bernie was right and he was the man for the moment in both 2016 and 2020. I wish I had seen it then. If I recall correctly, even diehard Trumpists like Rogan were Bernie Bros back in the day, which demonstrates how progressive economic populism is the best way to combat Trumpism.

Harris started losing the race as soon as she shifted from the change candidate in the face of two old white dudes to a continuation of Biden by tacking to the centre from the convention onwards.

I disagree that progressive economic policies are the key to future democratic victories. As we've seen, Mericans consistently vote against their own economic self interests if they believe that the other will also benefit from these policies. And if that were the case Kamala's platform, which included expansion in housing, higher taxes on the wealthy and a stop in price gouging SHOULD have appealed to the masses. But our fellow citizens chose the guy promising the opposite.

I think a major problem this time around was the extraordinary impact of right wing media convincing flyover America that higher prices on gas and beer meant the economy was in the tank and immigrant crime was the most pressing issues for Sally Housecoat and Eddie Punchclock. Do I think an elderly Northeastern socialist type would be the guy to turn this around? I do not. But I do think the dems need to run an angry outsider next election, if there is one.

 

[Ironfan72]

I honestly dont know what the democrats can do, but they need to figure it out and fast, does another charismatic leader like Obama exist and would someone like him work now, as of now, the democrats are all we have to resist the coming storm, maybe they need to be obstructionist like Jim Jordan, maybe they need some bull dogs to attack, idk, the message that we are ok and things are fine did not work.
All i heard here in Ohio was failed bidenomics, unsecure borders and trans people are bad, thats what they ran against Sherrod Brown, saying he was to liberal for Ohio and i thought Ohio had some progressive cities but thats apparently not the case, so that message clearly is what people here wanted to hear and all was false, from what ive heard Ohios population is shrinking, by 2035 we expect to lose several million from our population as people here are getting older and no one is moving here to replace people who are dying off, plus progressives are leaving because of the change in climate here politically, Columbus where i live has a democratic mayor and city counsal, there really hasnt been a legit republican to challenge the democrats since the early 90s, i assume as this state continues its downward spiral to Maga land, Columbus will eventually change for the worse.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Yeah I don't know any Democrat who sat this one out.

But we spent the last 4 years fighting election deniers making this election the perfect opportunity to cheat.

 

[InCali]

Unfortunately, I have talked with a few folks that are contemplating suicide due to the election results.

Tell them to get help. We can never know what the future holds. It's true things can get very bad, but we've got to remain engaged.....as difficult as that may seem. The tide can always shift no matter how bad it looks.

 

[BeserkerHilf]

I can't believe that I, a 35 year old Millennial that ACTUALLY used homophobic slurs and other offensive words in Middle and High School, loved movies like Scary Movie, Rush Hour, Dude Where's My Car? and American Pie, am now WAY more liberal and progressive than the younger generations right now.

What. ****ing. Happened?

You grew the **** up, luckily during a time on the internet to experience raw, authentic content, equipped with a basic literacy of how bull**** can be generated/created, before "do your own research" was a credible defense to every feelings-over-fact claim.

 

[BeserkerHilf]

Tell them to get help. We can never know what the future holds. It's true things can get very bad, but we've got to remain engaged.....as difficult as that may seem. The tide can always shift no matter how bad it looks.

I don't know, man. They didn't just get their Red Wave, they've created a Red Tsunami gaining control of all three branches of the government, as well as the Fourth Estate. I'm a white, heterosexual male. Married with children. As a liberal, I'm likely lowest of the list of targets, and I feel absolutely devastated and terrified of what they've promised to do now without any guardrails.