🇺🇸 Discussion: General Election 2024, 🥥 VS 🍊

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I'm honestly genuinely concerned how people are openly and brazenly talking about the GOP's playbook to steal the election through state legislatures and the House of Representatives (if Harris wins), and I have yet to hear what the government can/will do to counter it. There's a powerlessness to this conversation that is eating me up.
 
Why do people not want to be a part of the VP vetting?
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Look at what we learned about Shapiro with his campaign senior aide sexually harassing a staffer and he being pro-fracking, Kelly being anti-union, and Beshear having a shaky stance on abortion.
 
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Look at what we learned about Shapiro with his campaign senior aide sexually harassing a staffer and he being pro-fracking, Kelly being anti-union, and Beshear having a shaky stance on abortion.
Haha, yeah, I understand why people with skeletons in their cupboard might not want to undergo vetting themselves, but I thought this was about people not wanting to help with the vetting process of others? Maybe I misunderstood it, makes sense if so.
 
I'm honestly genuinely concerned how people are openly and brazenly talking about the GOP's playbook to steal the election through state legislatures and the House of Representatives (if Harris wins), and I have yet to hear what the government can/will do to counter it. There's a powerlessness to this conversation that is eating me up.
Oh the GOP changed how elections were conducted and took power away from Secretary Of State and gave it to the legislature where Republicans most likely have a majority. The idea of Arizona and Georgia going purple triggered them something fierce.
 
No joke, this basically sounds like something that my parents are trying to become a part of, minus the cryptocurrency and all of the tech bro stuff.

Apparently, there’s this one guy who bought these large plots of land and you can basically invest in a section of it, build your own house and farm and have your own livestock and chickens to self sustain your own food. It’s called “ranchising”.

The thing is, the entire basis of it is built off of the fact that he is a Christian who believes there is a crash coming, you live off the grid with a small community away from the outside world, like a homestead in the “good old days”, and your job as a good Christian is to “minister” to them about this whole “ranchising” business by making Christianity “cool” again and bringing them into the fold. Also, all of their communities will be Christian, and the only values that will be taught will be Christian.

This first video on this page of his website explains it better than I can:
Video FAQ | Step 7: Final Thoughts & Next Steps

If it sounds like a cult, it basically is.
 
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Look at what we learned about Shapiro with his campaign senior aide sexually harassing a staffer and he being pro-fracking, Kelly being anti-union, and Beshear having a shaky stance on abortion.
That's not accurate at all. He just knows his audience in Kentucky and focuses on talking points that appeal to his very religios audience. He expanded Planned Parenthood in Kentucky after becoming governor and vetoed a bill to suspend abortion during the Pandemic. He is endorsed by Reproductive Freedom for All.

Honestly, the reports on this I have seen sound like a bull**** attack by moderates in the Democratic Establishment intended to smear a progressive contender like Beshear to shift the balance for a more centrist candidate like Kelly or Shapiro.
 
That's not accurate at all. He just knows his audience in Kentucky and focuses on talking points that appeal to his very religios audience. He expanded Planned Parenthood in Kentucky after becoming governor and vetoed a bill to suspend abortion during the Pandemic. He is endorsed by Reproductive Freedom for All.

Honestly, the reports on this I have seen sound like a bull**** attack by moderates in the Democratic Establishment intended to smear a progressive contender like Beshear to shift the balance for a more centrist candidate like Kelly or Shapiro.
I'm going assume it's an optics situation where he will appear weak on his stance with abortion as opposed to someone like Kamala who is making it a major part of her campaign.
 
I'm going assume it's an optics situation where he will appear weak on his stance with abortion as opposed to someone like Kamala who is making a major part of her campaign.
Even in regards to optics, it is ridiculous to me. The guy was the first Democratic candidate to run a pro-Abortion ad in Kentucky and has vetoed five Anti-Choice laws passed by a Republican supermajority in the statehouse. He is more than fine on the issue. And I could never see it hurting Kamala in the election. You have a woman running as the pro-choice/pro-reproductive rights candidate. He would have to be expressly Pro-Life/Anti-Choice to hurt her on the issue.

The MSNBC and other reports I have seen casting doubt on his Pro-Choice credentials mostly don't cite reproductive rights groups or activists, just Democratic operatives allegedly quoting them. Pure political hitjob.
 
Even in regards to optics, it is ridiculous to me. The guy was the first Democratic candidate to run a pro-Abortion ad in Kentucky and has vetoed five Anti-Choice laws passed by a Republican supermajority in the statehouse. He is more than fine on the issue. And I could never see it hurting Kamala in the election. You have a woman running as the pro-choice/pro-reproductive rights candidate. He would have to be expressly Pro-Life/Anti-Choice to hurt her on the issue.

The MSNBC and other reports I have seen casting doubt on his Pro-Choice credentials mostly don't cite reproductive rights groups or activists, just Democratic operatives allegedly quoting them. Pure political hitjob.
What's strange is I haven't heard much about Beshear being a VP contender in a while other than NBC talking about his campaign stance on abortion vs his governing stance. That's the last I really heard anything about him. It's always been mostly Kelly, Walz, or Shapiro. Whitmer and Pete get mentioned mainly in fan polls.
 
I'm honestly genuinely concerned how people are openly and brazenly talking about the GOP's playbook to steal the election through state legislatures and the House of Representatives (if Harris wins), and I have yet to hear what the government can/will do to counter it. There's a powerlessness to this conversation that is eating me up.
@DKDetective would you mind giving your thoughts on the likelihood of this please?
 
What's strange is I haven't heard much about Beshear being a VP contender in a while other than NBC talking about his campaign stance on abortion vs his governing stance. That's the last I really heard anything about him. It's always been mostly Kelly, Walz, or Shapiro. Whitmer and Pete get mentioned mainly in fan polls.
Probably because the Dems have no chance of carrying his state. I still think he has demonstrated a great capacity to communicate with the types of independents and working class whites that are the key so many of the swing states, but he doesn't have a clear benefit of being a native son of a swing state in contention.
 
Probably because the Dems have no chance of carrying his state. I still think he has demonstrated a great capacity to communicate with the types of independents and working class whites that are the key so many of the swing states, but he doesn't have a clear benefit of being a native son of a swing state in contention.
It's concerning that no one wants to run on abolishing the electoral college and replacing it with ranked choice voting. Democrats should be in favor of the latter since it helped prevent Senator Palin from becoming a reality.
 
@DKDetective would you mind giving your thoughts on the likelihood of this please?
It is definitely a terrifying possibility. I don't know enough about it though. The American electoral system has a huge problem in terms of how much of the administration and certification of elections is in the hands of elected politicians rather than neutral, non-partisan agencies like Elections Canada here.
 
It is definitely a terrifying possibility. I don't know enough about it though. The American electoral system has a huge problem in terms of how much of the administration and certification of elections is in the hands of elected politicians rather than neutral, non-partisan agencies like Elections Canada here.
Oh :csad: I hope the Dems are strategising on this front as well as on how to maximise votes then. Maybe it at least helps a bit that they will be the acting party in power at the time. This shows how dangerous a Trump victory now would be as with this possibility in future combined with a Trump government already in power, it feels like it would give no avenue for success regardless of voting results.
 

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