🇺🇸 Discussion: Guns, The Second Amendment, NRA - Part II

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You know, it all can feel pretty shallow and self serving at times. But look, I don't think there's anything wrong with holding people accountable for what they say and how they vote. That's life. If you are afraid to be called a bigot for saying something racist, then don't say anything racist.

I certainly don't think that a change in guns is happening while this congress is around, that's for sure. But it's one of those issues that's worth it to me. Because people should be shunned for doing nothing again. That's our job, as the electorate to make sure our government figures do their job, and shaming them is really the only weapon at our disposal at this point.

There's two sides to this issue, and we should be mindful of everyone's opinions, no doubt. But at the same time, we need to come to terms with the fact that this really is a problem. Once we get there, we'll all accept that something must be done. But right now.... half this country feels like the real problem is the government trying to take away people's guns, instead of people using certain guns to kill people in mass. We are so far apart on the problem, that it makes it really hard to come to a solution.

I don't know where to begin with first paragraph as you used an example that doesn't pertain to me. Anyway, accountability gains some traction moreso I think when logic arises over narrative.

Why must all these forums pertaining to real issues be so testy all the time? Anyway, I think the whole NRA narrative pertaining to guns isn't really the end all and is given too much attention. The focus really should be trying to find a balance with peoples rights and governments rights and cutting off narratives that don't pertain to someone if they simply have a critical notion on something that demands more critical thinking.
 
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Repeating oneself over hardly creates better understanding so ignore me then.
 
It's just you didn't make a lot of sense and used "pertain" 4 times. I don't know what you're trying to say.
 
It's just you didn't make a lot of sense and used "pertain" 4 times. I don't know what you're trying to say.

Okay. I wanted to create a differentiation between what I said and didn't say as well as media responsibility in keeping things fact based not narrative based so that conversations don't spinout all the time and solutions can be more forthcoming which will hopefully happen after better talking points and yes better candidates as well as responsible community and family oriented citizenship.
 
What is family oriented citizenship?
 
What is family oriented citizenship?

Not just focusing on only the family from a personal standpoint (as many doomsday preppers/libertarians do) but the community as well from an idealistic one. The emphasis I think should be not just focusing on one's self or one's family but a community as well.
 
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I don't know where to begin with first paragraph as you used an example that doesn't pertain to me. Anyway, accountability gains some traction moreso I think when logic arises over narrative.

Why must all these forums pertaining to real issues be so testy all the time? Anyway, I think the whole NRA narrative pertaining to guns isn't really the end all and is given too much attention. The focus really should be trying to find a balance with peoples rights and governments rights and cutting off narratives that don't pertain to someone if they simply have a critical notion on something that demands more critical thinking.

I don't want to get too much into this. I hate performative posts about how one should and should not argue. But just for the record, I was overtly kind in my post, and I was actually making an effort to agree with you. You must have thought that the racist thing was pointed at you? My apologies - it was not... I could have put sexist, or demagogic, or whatever... it was all just as an example, not an insult towards you in any way. It was meant as an example...."everybody hates accountability, but if one doesn't want to be a racist, then they shouldn't say racist things." That's what I was trying to say.

As I said, that I understand where you're coming from when you get tired of all the political back and forth. It can really feel shallow and self serving on both sides... maybe on this issue more than some.

Still though... like I was saying before... I understand how it could look like crazy nastiness and needless hostility, but at a time in which this President is seemingly left unaccountable for much of what he does, I'm not going to nock American voters for getting worked up right now. Getting nasty and angry is the exact appropriate reaction to this many shootings with Military Assault Rifles. The public SHOULD get angry about that stuff. Public outlash and public shaming seems to be the public's only major recourse of action at this point.

So, while I agree with you that all this political gamesmanship can be really frustrating at times, I believe that it's entirely warranted after so many of these.
 
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I don't want to get too much into this. I hate performative posts about how one should and should not argue. But just for the record, I was overtly kind in my post, and I was actually making an effort to agree with you. You must have thought that the racist thing was pointed at you? My apologies - it was not... I could have put sexist, or demagogic, or whatever... it was all just as an example, not an insult towards you in any way. It was meant as an example...."everybody hates accountability, but if one doesn't want to be a racist, then they shouldn't say racist things." That's what I was trying to say.

As I said, that I understand where you're coming from when you get tired of all the political back and forth. It can really feel shallow and self serving on both sides... maybe on this issue more than some.

Still though... like I was saying before... I understand how it could look like crazy nastiness and needless hostility, but at a time in which this President is seemingly left unaccountable for much of what he does, I'm not going to nock American voters for getting worked up right now. Getting nasty and angry is the exact appropriate reaction to this many shootings with Military Assault Rifles. The public SHOULD get angry about that stuff. Public outlash and public shaming seems to be the public's only major recourse of action at this point.

So, while I agree with you that all this political gamesmanship can be really frustrating at times, I believe that it's entirely warranted after so many of these.


I appreciate your attempt to level on this. I normally don't post about stuff of this nature on SHH boards so suppose can expect some backlash but I actually think this is a complicated issue that can play out in different ways based on what control method is utilized and if it involves increased justification of lethal force from government officials or on the citizen based social justice that at times may not play out very well. Just so many different variables on how this issue should be approached I think.

Anyone can vote for who they want as their candidate and hope for the best outcome I think.
 
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Out of the democratic pool of candidates who has the best strategy pertaining to guns and why?
 
Another mass shooting in Dayton, Ohio this morning. At least 9 people dead. An hour from where I live. Reports are that an assault Rifle was used. This is terrifying. I've never let it get to me before but this one is close to home. I've got family in Dayton. Will it ever stop?
 
20 dead, 15 injured. That's quite a lot of bullets. And he just turned 21... so I'd assume he got the gun as soon as he was legally able to do so. Maybe we need to have some kind of evaluation before you buy your first military grade killing machine. ... you know, just to be safe.
The gun rights advocates defend it as the shooter is mentally ill then refuse any and all attempts to regulate gun ownership for mentall ill people with background checks (even ignoring the fact "mentally ill" is a useless deflection akin to blaming video games or Ambien).

Clearly the answer is more men with guns in Walmarts. Because that wouldn't cause an issue.

I thought Walmart had removed guns from their stores? Just checked and it is only handguns and only in New Mexico where it is a blanket end to gun sales. Every other state appears they still sell rifles.
 
The guy in Dayton killed 9 people in a minute. Police actively patrol that area. How do we stop this? How many people can be killed with a knife in less than a minute?
 
I'm 30 mins in Springfield. And I just lost a very close friend I knew since elementary from this bull ****.

I'm numb

You're literally right up St.Route 68 from me. I'm in West Liberty. I'm so sorry for your loss
 
Out of the democratic pool of candidates who has the best strategy pertaining to guns and why?

Warren comes from Massachusetts, the only state in the nation that has effectively dealt with the gun problem. Her policies on gun control don't appear much different from the others in the field, but after helping to solve the nation's health care crisis with Obamacare (formerly Romneycare), me and my fellow Massachusetts residents are more than willing to share our gun control program with the rest of the nation.

I looked for a state that’s taking gun violence seriously. I found Massachusetts.
 
Warren 2020.
I’m for Biden. I hope the Democratic candidates realize that they are all on the same side. They need to stop tearing down each other and realize that Trump is the real enemy.
If a dog runs against Trump, I’m voting for the dog
 
I’m for Biden. I hope the Democratic candidates realize that they are all on the same side. They need to stop tearing down each other and realize that Trump is the real enemy.
If a dog runs against Trump, I’m voting for the dog
I just find Warren the more electable of the two, though I like their ideas.
 
It's the primary. They exist so we can vote for who we want before we have to eat a turd sandwich in the general. I'm gonna vote for Warren in the primary - she's the best candidate. But I think Biden certainly has a case to make on expanding Obamacare, and if he winds up our boy... I'll be more than happy with that.
 
Whoever wins the Democratic nomination I will support them. I’m worried Bernie’s people won’t.
 

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