🇺🇸 Discussion: Guns, The Second Amendment, NRA - Part II

[DarthSkywalker]

I woke up to that Bush judge's "ruling". What a dumbass piece of ****.

 

[InCali]

I've said this before, but I think the courts have the 2nd amendment all wrong. I think it clearly refers to an organized militia; probably state.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

This isn't to say that I don't think people should have the right to own firearms, I just think that they should be subject to reasonable federal, state, and local laws. IMO, this would include ongoing training and testing of individuals who are licensed to have a firearm.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Article I. Bill of Rights
Section 13. Militia; standing armies; military subordinate to civil power
That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.

Constitution of Virginia - Article I. Bill of Rights

The takeaways are: having a standing army bad; having trained militias good; and all military/militia must strictly obey civilian laws and orders.

The national guard is what a state militia is today. Not organized gun wackos, or people like Timothy McVeigh and his heirs calling themselves militias in Michigan trying to kidnap and kill the civilian government. Militias were intended to be pro-government and subject to government, not anti-government.

 

[samsnee]

I've said this before, but I think the courts have the 2nd amendment all wrong. I think it clearly refers to an organized militia; probably state.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

This isn't to say that I don't think people should have the right to own firearms, I just think that they should be subject to reasonable federal, state, and local laws. IMO, this would include ongoing training and testing of individuals who are licensed to have a firearm.

Which is why when Texas just passed a law not requiring any kind of permit to have a gun, it should be unconstitutional. How is it well regulated?

 

[Sithborg]

Aaaand that's why he got his gun back.

 

[Marvolo]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/06/05/california-assault-weapons-ban-overturned/
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I guess next time I’ll use my gun to open a wine bottle then

That ban was foolish anyways. Those guns aren't assault rifles. They dont have selective fire or a full auto mode. The fact they look like a military rifle is irrelevant and shouldn't have had any influence on their legality. Banning a gun because it looks like a military rifle is the equivalent of banning super cars from civilians and roads because they look like race cars.

If Cali wants to ban modern rifles they should do it based on the function and features of the gun.

 

[InCali]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/06/05/california-assault-weapons-ban-overturned/
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I guess next time I’ll use my gun to open a wine bottle then

I've tried that a few times and it doesn't work very well.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

ABC News - 13 hurt in downtown Austin shooting; suspect not in custody

 

[Teelie]

Looks like Texas' free range, guns for everybody, no need for any kind of regulation experiment is working out wonderfully.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

9-year-old boy accidentally shot in chest by father [in Texas] after alleged road rage incident

 

[Lily Adler]

Yep mass and accidental shootings are going to be on the rise now.

 

[InCali]

Yep mass and accidental shootings are going to be on the rise now.

Just because anyone can carry a gun anywhere at any time without any knowledge of gun safety? You think that could cause a problem or two? Really?

Maybe bars should require them for entrance. That might help......

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

 

[Detective Conan]

 

[Lily Adler]

Texas will see a rise in gun violence.

 

[Teelie]

On top of the violence already of course. This is an absolute attack on the country because it takes away any restriction and restraint on people who absolutely should not possess a gun. How will they tell who the "good guy with a gun" is when everyone has a gun and someone starts shooting up a public area?

As if the existing gun laws were ever very useful (particularly in Texas) they at least placed some restrictions on ownership.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

 

[Sithborg]

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Police can't (or won't) tell you from apart from the original shooter or a co-conspirator, which is why the whole 'good guy with a gun savior fantasy' doesn't exactly work out for you to try.

Police: Man who shot Colorado gunman was killed by officer

A man who intervened in a shooting that killed a police officer near Denver was shot and killed by a responding officer while holding the suspect's AR-15, police said Friday.

Johnny Hurley, who has been described by police as a hero who prevented further bloodshed, shot suspect Ronald Troyke on Monday after Troyke gunned down Arvada Officer Gordon Beesley with a 12-gauge semi-automatic shotgun.

After shooting Beesley twice, Troyke shot out the windows of police cars in the city's downtown district, returned to his truck to get an AR-15 and was confronted by Hurley, who shot him with a handgun. When an officer arrived, Hurley was holding Troyke's AR-15 and the officer opened fire, police said.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

4 arrested at Maven Hotel, police feared a “Las Vegas style shooting” during All-Star Game in Denver – The Denver Post

DENVER – Police feared a “Las Vegas style shooting” during the All-Star Game in Denver after receiving a tip from a maid working at a hotel not far from Coors Field, who discovered more than a dozen weapons and more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition inside one of the rooms Friday night.

Sources said police removed 16 long guns, body armor and more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition from the room with a balcony overlooking the downtown area. The sources said they feared the number of weapons, ammo, vantage point and large crowds could have resulted in a Las Vegas style shooting.

One of the suspects arrested Friday night had posted a message on Facebook referencing a recent divorce and saying he was going to “go out in a big way,” according to the multiple law enforcement sources.

Man arrested after guns were found in his Chicago hotel room. The mayor called them 'weapons of war' - CNN

 

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Gun resembling Lego toy sparks backlash in US - BBC News

 

[Sithborg]

For good reason.

 

[Teelie]

I thought guns weren't toys. Silly me.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

If you aren't giving babies loaded guns with the safety off you're just liberal traitors to the second amendment and muh freedumb.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Every country that has these guns should do this.

CNBC - Mexico sues U.S. gun companies, alleging ‘massive damage’ that is ‘destabilizing’ to society