🇺🇸 Discussion: Guns, The Second Amendment, NRA - Part II

[Teelie]

Better late than never? I'm sure the NRA and Republicans are going to start trying to reverse it.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Daily Dot - Inside the Proud Boys’ ties to ghost gun sales

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Associated Press - 1,000 firearms [and more than 140,000 rounds of ammunition] found at Ohio property after standoff ends with 2 killed

Local authorities said Randy Wilhelm, 56, and Bradley Wilhelm, 53, fired guns at law enforcement vehicles during the standoff and one of the brothers had threatened to explode a propane tank rather than be captured.

The Knox County sheriff’s office said the standoff began after a bail bondsman reported shortly before 11:30 p.m. Friday that his vehicle had been shot at multiple times as he was trying to apprehend Randy Wilhelm.

Randy Wilhelm had been free on $100,000 bail but failed to appear for an Aug. 2 trial in county court stemming from a 2020 indictment on charges including intimidation, menacing by stalking, bribery, felonious assault and domestic violence, the Columbus Dispatch reported.

Authorities said they received multiple tips that Wilhelm, a well-known trap shooter and proficient marksman, had a stockpile of firearms and ammunition and had expressed a determination to resist arrest.

Several agencies provided armored vehicles, and three of them were struck by gunfire from the two suspects, authorities said. Sgt. Brice Nihiser of the Ohio State Highway Patrol said the suspects shot at the state patrol helicopter but did not strike it, the newspaper reported.

Authorities said a bulk propane truck was moved next to one of the houses on the property during the standoff, and they alleged that Randy Wilhelm had earlier threatened to use the tanker as a bomb if law enforcement attempted to apprehend him.

 

[squeekness]

Associated Press - 1,000 firearms [and more than 140,000 rounds of ammunition] found at Ohio property after standoff ends with 2 killed

Nice. Death by cop, the American dream.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Business Insider - Texas judge overrules ban on 18-to-20-year-olds carrying handguns because they were 'part of the militia in the founding era'

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

A device that can turn a semi-automatic weapon into a machine gun in moments is wreaking havoc on American streets | CNN

 

[InCali]

Maybe it's just me, but I find the the priorities and logic of those who are fighting gun control baffling.

Safe schools are a lesser priority than is someone's right to own an assault rifle.

The answer is to not address the issue, but to protect the people in our schools by hardening them.

There's money to make schools "safe(r)???", but not money to pay teachers or give schools adequate supplies to education our children.

Oh, and don't forget to make inane laws that ban books to further protect children from understanding that we have a diversity of people in our society.

 

[DJ Kornphlake]

 

[squeekness]

I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Daily Kos - The fight against mass shootings just got a win ... from credit card companies (liberal blog)

The effort to reduce mass shootings got a win over the weekend, as American Express, Mastercard, and Visa all said they would adopt a new code to categorize sales at gun shops. That in turn could help flag suspicious purchases that could be the prelude to a mass shooting—for instance, the shooter responsible for the Pulse Nightclub massacre in 2016 spent $26,000 on guns and ammunition just a week earlier.

The move by the credit card processing companies followed the announcement of the new code by the International Organization for Standardization (ISO), which Sen. Elizabeth Warren called “an important step towards improving coordination with law enforcement and preventing gun violence.”

 

[Teelie]

Conservatives have been using that kind of thing for years against porn sites. Only fair they are now directed at gun shops.

 

[samsnee]

Texas judge rules gun-buying ban for people under felony indictment is unconstitutional

Cool cool cool. Can’t vote if you’re a felon, but can still get a gun

 

[squeekness]

Texas judge rules gun-buying ban for people under felony indictment is unconstitutional

Cool cool cool. Can’t vote if you’re a felon, but can still get a gun

Things that make no sense....

 

[BoredGuy]

They prize their little metal penises over the foundation of our Democracy
Good Good

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Gizmodo - Incel Communities Are Reportedly Engaged in a ‘Brothers-in-Arms' War Against Women
The report analyzed more than 1 million posts from a leading incel forum and found a 59% uptick in keywords associated with acts of mass violence.

 

[squeekness]

Gizmodo - Incel Communities Are Reportedly Engaged in a ‘Brothers-in-Arms' War Against Women
The report analyzed more than 1 million posts from a leading incel forum and found a 59% uptick in keywords associated with acts of mass violence.

Outstanding.

 

[Mike5575]

Texas judge rules gun-buying ban for people under felony indictment is unconstitutional

Cool cool cool. Can’t vote if you’re a felon, but can still get a gun

He's being charged with a crime. That's not the same as a conviction. Maybe he'll be found guilty, but until then, he still has rights, just like anyone else

 

[Herofan]

Maybe it's just me, but I find the the priorities and logic of those who are fighting gun control baffling.

Safe schools are a lesser priority than is someone's right to own an assault rifle.

A lot of people would, have banned handguns too.

The answer is to not address the issue, but to protect the people in our schools by hardening them.

Nobody has a solution to completely end school shootings (which is unrealistic to demand for any solution) but they can be reduced.

Oh, and don't forget to make inane laws that ban books to further protect children from understanding that we have a diversity of people in our society.

First and Second Amendment rights should both be respected.

Texas judge rules gun-buying ban for people under felony indictment is unconstitutional

Cool cool cool. Can’t vote if you’re a felon, but can still get a gun

Accusation is not conviction (for either voting or guns). It does make sense that we should treat gun owning and voting and restrictions thereof pretty similarly.

 

[InCali]

A lot of people would, have banned handguns too.



Nobody has a solution to completely end school shootings (which is unrealistic to demand for any solution) but they can be reduced.



First and Second Amendment rights should both be respected.



Accusation is not conviction (for either voting or guns). It does make sense that we should treat gun owning and voting and restrictions thereof pretty similarly.

1st point......a lot of people would do a lot of things, but that's not really the issue. Guns should be treated like any other right and because of their potentially lethal nature should be regulated. IMO, that means annual training, background checks, probably insurance, and whatever other regulations are deemed necessary as we go forward and find out the more nuanced problems. The latter was done with drinking and driving and, while they aren't exact, there are a lot of similarities with driver's licensing. We now have required insurance to cover liability, seat belt laws, intoxication modifications, etc.

2nd point.....I don't recall ANYONE saying there is a solution to COMPLETELY end school, or other shootings. That's a straw man a lot of people (not necessarily saying you) set up to justify doing less than we should. Attack the root of the problem; not the symptom. A focus on who is allowed to have and carry guns AND proper security measures should both be implemented and we'll see what tweaks need to be done to the system as we go forward.

3rd point.....I'm not alone in believing that the judiciary has completely butchered their interpretation of the 2nd amendment. I've read it many, many times and don't know how they got from the words on the paper to law. While there are opinions contrary to mine, people who know a LOT more about the law don't disagree with me. Even IF, and I'm not conceding my main point, the interpretation is correct, it's clear that we have a public good, welfare, and safety issue that can and should mitigate the current interpretation of the 2nd amendment. It's not etched in stone.

 

[Mike5575]

1st point......a lot of people would do a lot of things, but that's not really the issue. Guns should be treated like any other right and because of their potentially lethal nature should be regulated. IMO, that means annual training, background checks, probably insurance, and whatever other regulations are deemed necessary as we go forward and find out the more nuanced problems. The latter was done with drinking and driving and, while they aren't exact, there are a lot of similarities with driver's licensing. We now have required insurance to cover liability, seat belt laws, intoxication modifications, etc.

2nd point.....I don't recall ANYONE saying there is a solution to COMPLETELY end school, or other shootings. That's a straw man a lot of people (not necessarily saying you) set up to justify doing less than we should. Attack the root of the problem; not the symptom. A focus on who is allowed to have and carry guns AND proper security measures should both be implemented and we'll see what tweaks need to be done to the system as we go forward.

3rd point.....I'm not alone in believing that the judiciary has completely butchered their interpretation of the 2nd amendment. I've read it many, many times and don't know how they got from the words on the paper to law. While there are opinions contrary to mine, people who know a LOT more about the law don't disagree with me. Even IF, and I'm not conceding my main point, the interpretation is correct, it's clear that we have a public good, welfare, and safety issue that can and should mitigate the current interpretation of the 2nd amendment. It's not etched in stone.

The current interpretation(both Heller and Bruen) leave room for regulation. Bruen is basically Heller outside of the home. Using Thomas' historical standard bars insane people from owning guns, for example. There has been precedence for that going back to the founding Era. The Bruen decision doesn't do away with states' licensing scheme. People shouldn't have to demonstrate reason or good moral character to carry a gun outside the home.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

 

[InCali]

The current interpretation(both Heller and Bruen) leave room for regulation. Bruen is basically Heller outside of the home. Using Thomas' historical standard bars insane people from owning guns, for example. There has been precedence for that going back to the founding Era. The Bruen decision doesn't do away with states' licensing scheme. People shouldn't have to demonstrate reason or good moral character to carry a gun outside the home.

I'm not against regular people owning guns. I do think that, due to their potentially destructive nature, that they should be strictly regulated and gave the example of having a driver's license as an example; although I think more training and background checks are needed for gun ownership. Public carry is a more fuzzy issue for me. Should we allow guns in bars? I don't think I'd be for that. I think if the law allows public carry (which doesn't seem unreasonable to me IF you have made every effort to ensure only responsible citizens have them), I think it reasonable to have some restrictions on where they can be carried.

None of the above means that the decisions around the right to have firearms hasn't been screwed up by the decisions made, but adequate regulation can address a lot of the problems caused the the judicial branch.

 

[DJ Kornphlake]

 

[squeekness]

So they can do some things right....

 

[Teelie]

Almost certainly they made a mistake there somehow. They don't do the right thing so much as the Right thing and bump stocks are very much a Right thing.