Discussion: Racism - Part 1

[Sawyer]

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Ijeoma Oluo
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Newsroom:
"What happened?"
"White Supremacist stabbed a black man"
"We can't say White Supremacist"
"I got it!"

 

[summerteeth]

Well this statistic says it all.

Still more productive and less divisive than pointing out "All Lives Matter" and "blacks commit more crime".

That doesn't help anything yet that's where 99% of the "discussion" is.

I mean...not really. Still a lot of variables at play to determine causation. I'm not saying this is the case, but for instance, a cop that patrols a high crime neighborhood may be quicker to use lethal force than a cop in a non-high crime neighborhood. I don't know if those arrests occurred in similar neighborhoods or not. Those statistics don't tell the whole story. I only bring this up because if the end goal is to reduce unarmed fatalities if you are trying to correct for the wrong thing you may not actually solve the problem. If we assume these cops are racists based on that statistic and the problem is they aren't receiving enough training in dealing with high stress cases and dangerous run ins with criminals. The prescription may be totally different.

 

[Mad Ones]

"Your stats have too many variables at play. My stats are flawless, look at all those percentages".

I'm more inclined to believe my friends when they say cops make them feel more afraid than protected.

 

[Laderlappen]

2015:
Of the 306 black people killed by the police, 79 were unarmed. 25.8%
Of the 581 white people killed by the police, 104 were unarmed. 17.9%

Unarmed people can still be a threat. Just look at Michael Brown. Most of the cases of the unarmed, they were shot because they were fighting with the officer. Could killing have been prevented in some of them? Sure but 79 unarmed victims were not 79 people murdered in cold blood.

 

[summerteeth]

"Your stats have too many variables at play. My stats are flawless, look at all those percentages".

I'm more inclined to believe my friends when they say cops make them feel more afraid than protected.

I have no idea what you are talking about in the first part... in no way am I saying that. Obviously, some statistics are better than others though that's the nature of statistics.


What people feel though is a matter of perception and someone's world view it may not be in line with reality (it also could be very much in line with reality). Quite frankly, I feel the same about police and I'm very white passing. I've rarely met a cop that I didn't feel intimidated by (hard not to when they have a gun) nor have I found them particularly helpful all that often.

 

[2kt09]

What special treatment has Black Lives Matter demanded? Literally their demand is to be treated the same as white people.

It's literally on their website. You might not realize with the "end war on black people'", but it really hits you once you get to "reparations" & so forth.

 

[2kt09]

The funny thing is you don't even realize you're exposing your inherent racist thoughts to the world when you think "reverse racism" is a way to actually describe something.

"Fillet my skin".

Racism is racism. Period. End of thought. It doesn't matter what "race" somebody is and if they are being directly racist towards another group or backhanded racist by trying to pander to a group.

It's all still just racism.

The term "reverse racism" was coined by white people to describe when other "races" treated them in a racist manner and was later co-opted as a way to describe policies like colleges meeting certain quotas of minorities because certain whites felt they were being excluded or "discriminated" against.

I agree.

It's f***ing idiotic because any racism is just plain old racism. We have already had the word for a very long time until white people wanted their own special word to describe their special type of racism.

Years later we now have a word/phrase for every type of -ism.

What's even f***ing dumber is there is no such thing as "race" as we humans describe it. Scientifically speaking we are all the human race. Our skin pigmentation only has value or meaning that we as society give it.

This is the perfect stance to take when you don't want to involve yourself in this social construct.

 

[RockSP]

-shouting black power
-inciting violence against unaffiliated white citizens, mistaking an Asian for being white and escorting him from harm's way
-throwing projectiles and insults at cops
raw footage showcasing each & more
The news media and most of Youtube have covered almost every negative thing to come out of incidents/cases outright claiming to be BLM (including the non-violent kind). Too many "supporters" are misinformed when they attempt to debate.
I'm with Captain Wagner because even BLM "leaders" are barely denouncing this & trying to lump this with a MLKJ quote.

Again, someone shouting black power does not make them part of BLM. That's about as ridiculous as the idiots talking crap about gymnast Gabby Douglas because she didn't put her hand on her heart during the national anthem and saying she was doing it because of BLM.

 

[2kt09]

Again, someone shouting black power does not make them part of BLM. That's about as ridiculous as the idiots talking crap about gymnast Gabby Douglas because she didn't put her hand on her heart during the national anthem and saying she was doing it because of BLM.

Right. If you would like me to reiterate or further point to why this was clearly influenced by BLM, I will comply.

Not sure what it takes to be a BLM supporter, but here's the one blatant member who showed up alongside a crowd trying to block traffic.

Spoiler

 

[Mad Ones]

Yep BLM causes disruptions. Because their everyday lives are disrupted by anti-black racism.

 

[2kt09]

Two wrongs don't make a right.
They're a minority within a minority, most of whom (BLM supporters) are so privileged that they can throw that anti-black racism trigger warning around.
Some even go as far as, ironically enough, being racist and again two wrongs don't...

Idk, maybe refocus toward fixing the ghettos, get your brethren out of terrible circumstances, root out the violent culture, elect better people to better the private sector, etc.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Yep BLM causes disruptions. Because their everyday lives are disrupted by anti-black racism.

I've lived my whole life in the rural Midwest, so I can't say I'm personally familiar with anything going on here. But just from what I've read, BLM has been far from productive, even potentially damaging racial relations. Maybe the people causing problems AREN'T actually part of the group, but they have failed to control and prevent the people who stand with them from causing havoc and damage.

 

[2kt09]

Black Lives Matter cashes in with $100 million from liberal foundations
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https://www.gofundme.com/2khyfguc

 

[redhawk23]

I've lived my whole life in the rural Midwest, so I can't say I'm personally familiar with anything going on here. But just from what I've read, BLM has been far from productive, even potentially damaging racial relations. Maybe the people causing problems AREN'T actually part of the group, but they have failed to control and prevent the people who stand with them from causing havoc and damage.

Maybe not all cops are bad but they have failed to control and prevent cops from murdering the hell out of people.

 

[redhawk23]

Two wrongs don't make a right.
They're a minority within a minority, most of whom (BLM supporters) are so privileged that they can throw that anti-black racism trigger warning around.
Some even go as far as, ironically enough, being racist and again two wrongs don't...

Idk, maybe refocus toward fixing the ghettos, get your brethren out of terrible circumstances, root out the violent culture, elect better people to better the private sector, etc.

That's what Black Lives Matter is about though. If BlackbLives Matter as much as white lives, why are they not treated the same? If black lives matter, why are the resources for education concentrated in white communities? If black lives matter, why have decades of governor and bank policies prevented blacks from moving where jobs and money are concentrated?

Getting people out of destitution should be the concern of all of society, not just the black community. That's the damn point.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Maybe not all cops are bad but they have failed to control and prevent cops from murdering the hell out of people.

I know that, and there are clearly deeply entrenched issues, just look at the fiasco in Chicago. But the riots and unnecessary disruptions that seem to follow BLM around make the conversation about THEM, and nothing gets done to change current law enforcement structures in the long run.

 

[TheCommissioner]

White student gets rape charges set aside so he can have "a college experience"

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/jud...so-ex-athlete-can-enjoy-a-college-experience/

College issues statement that said student will NOT be attending their school

 

[2kt09]

That's what Black Lives Matter is about though.

Really? Which part are they actively trying to rectify without protesting & providing a list of demands?
I still have not a single clue how that $133 million is being/going to be spent.

Getting people out of destitution should be the concern of all of society, not just the black community. That's the damn point.

Well that point was made by ALM.

 

[RockSP]

Right. If you would like me to reiterate or further point to why this was clearly influenced by BLM, I will comply.

Not sure what it takes to be a BLM supporter, but here's the one blatant member who showed up alongside a crowd trying to block traffic.

Spoiler

Not sure what you think that proves. There are people at Trump rallies yelling "go back to Africa". Do they represent all republicans?

 

[RockSP]

I know that, and there are clearly deeply entrenched issues, just look at the fiasco in Chicago. But the riots and unnecessary disruptions that seem to follow BLM around make the conversation about THEM, and nothing gets done to change current law enforcement structures in the long run.

Nothing was getting done before BLM existed. Making the conversation strictly about them is a distraction tactic.

Well that point was made by ALM.

ALM has no point. It was a hashtag created to spite BLM.

 

[2kt09]

Not sure what you think that proves. There are people at Trump rallies yelling "go back to Africa". Do they represent all republicans?

No, they represent the "go back to Africa" coalition™.

If you think the Milwaukee rioters were not influenced by BLM and those literal BLM protesters do not represent BLM, more power to you.

ALM has no point. It was a hashtag created to spite BLM.

#the-most-violent-statement-of-love

Quite the tragedy in terminology, but for the sake of activist diversity striving for equality it is what it is.

 

[2kt09]

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[chaseter]

Smart man.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

In what the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department (IMPD) called a "tragic incident", the 48-year-old was reportedly mistaken for his wife's assailant by a police officer with nine years' experience.

The shooting, which has left Mr Williams fighting for his life in hospital, is the latest in a series that have sparked a crisis in the US over race relations and police training.


The fact Mr Williams, who reportedly had his gun on him, was shot on sight has prompted an outpouring of criticism.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...g-police-black-man-robbery-impd-a7206746.html

Another day, another "tragic incident."

 

[chaseter]

Kaepernick, who was raised by the enemy (white people), refused to stand for the National Anthem citing he doesn't support a racist country. This man, who is a multi millionaire in the NFL, is so oppressed that he decided to take a stand, by not standing. What a giant turd.