Discussion: Racism - Part 1

[samsnee]

Speaking out and disrespecting are two totally different things. That's the difference that you can't seem to grasp.

He's looking for attention because he didn't go at this tactfully. Look at what he's got...the spotlight. No one now cares why he's doing it, they just care that he's doing it. From team mates, actors, and even the White House...they disagree with his tact. Who said anything about this endangering his livelihood? He's on his way out anyways...

Isn't the point of protesting to grab your attention? Him showing up in a suit to testify for Congress wouldn't get half the attention it currently is.

I love people are attacking the messenger and not the message.

 

[SuperT]

Isn't the point of protesting to grab your attention? Him showing up in a suit to testify for Congress wouldn't get half the attention it currently is.

I love people are attacking the messenger and not the message.

Thank you. What people are saying right now about BLM protests or other groups is the exact same things people were saying back in the 60's during the sit-ins and bus boycotts. "I wish those blacks would go protest somewhere else so I don't have to see it and it doesn't interrupt my life."

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Isn't the point of protesting to grab your attention? Him showing up in a suit to testify for Congress wouldn't get half the attention it currently is.

I love people are attacking the messenger and not the message.

It doesn't seem to be getting attention for the reason he wants though.

 

[InCali]

It seems to me that a lot of people talk about freedom in the US, but when someone actually exercises those freedoms in a public way, some of those same people start going on about how someone is disrespecting the flag, country or whatever. In fact, I think we should be publicly supporting their right to protest "while" having a discussion about "why" the protest is occurring. In other words, focus on the issue and not the person. It's not that complicated. If it's a distraction for the team, the team can cut him, but do it because of the distraction and not because someone isn't standing for the National Anthem.

 

[Laderlappen]

Donald Trump, with all his issues, does NOT imo come off as being anti-American.

In all honesty if Kaepernick genuinely doesn't like America, then maybe he should sit down. I'm changing my mind, if he doesn't like America then I have no problem with what he did. It's his opinion. But if he DO like America, then I don't understand his actions.

 

[SuperT]

Where in his statements or actions did he mention that he doesn't like America? Stating that there are issues with how a certain segment of people in the country are treated and using your platform as a way to shed light on that does not equal "I hate America."

There's a difference between saying "America is terrible and I hate it" versus "Hey, America isn't as great for everyone as people want to believe, here's why." We're allowed to be critical of our own country, how else are we going to be able to address these issues if we don't talk about them and lay out the hard truths - this country isn't great for all of us.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

I'm sure everyone's read Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's op-ed on Kaepernick by now, but the last paragraph sums up my feelings perfectly.

What should horrify Americans is not Kaepernick’s choice to remain seated during the national anthem, but that nearly 50 years after Ali was banned from boxing for his stance and Tommie Smith and John Carlos’s raised fists caused public ostracization and numerous death threats, we still need to call attention to the same racial inequities. Failure to fix this problem is what’s really un-American here.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...r-patriotism-than-his/?utm_term=.52a16cdfbc5d

 

[Laderlappen]

Where in his statements or actions did he mention that he doesn't like America? Stating that there are issues with how a certain segment of people in the country are treated and using your platform as a way to shed light on that does not equal "I hate America."

There's a difference between saying "America is terrible and I hate it" versus "Hey, America isn't as great for everyone as people want to believe, here's why." We're allowed to be critical of our own country, how else are we going to be able to address these issues if we don't talk about them and lay out the hard truths - this country isn't great for all of us.

If you read my post again, you'll see that I carefully did NOT claim he disliked his country. I said "if he does" and "if he doesn't".

 

[Handsome Rob]

I wonder how much overlap there is between the group of people praising K for expressing his (political) beliefs on the field and the group of people who thought Tebow should keep his (religious) beliefs off the field.

Same goes for the flip side of that coin.

I wonder how many will justify their hypocrisy by saying, "It's totally not the same thing!"

 

[chaseter]

lol

Kaepernick wore a Fidel Castro / Malcolm X shirt yesterday. Fidel was of course the shining example of non-oppression in the 20th century [/sarcasm].

Dude just wants attention and/or he's a complete idiot. I'm thinking both...

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

I wonder how much overlap there is between the group of people praising K for expressing his (political) beliefs on the field and the group of people who thought Tebow should keep his (religious) beliefs off the field.

Same goes for the flip side of that coin.

I wonder how many will justify their hypocrisy by saying, "It's totally not the same thing!"

Can't say I cared one way or the other about his prayer motion, I just liked the song the nfl network made up using his name.

 

[chaseter]

I wonder how much overlap there is between the group of people praising K for expressing his (political) beliefs on the field and the group of people who thought Tebow should keep his (religious) beliefs off the field.

Same goes for the flip side of that coin.

I wonder how many will justify their hypocrisy by saying, "It's totally not the same thing!"

Use your example at the recent Olympics. Liberals praised Ibtihaj or wearing a hijab but attack Tebow for showing his faith. It's hilarious. This is what Liberalism and Conservatism has become today....idiotic polar opposites.

 

[Charlatan]

Can't say I cared one way or the other about his prayer motion, I just liked the song the nfl network made up using his name.

Public displays of piety are actually a bad thing according to Jesus.

As for Colin he was drawing attention to a problem. Or trying to. But the outrage for those people who are so "offended" by his action has completely deflected from the problem. Intentional or not (probably a little of both) he should have known it would happen.

What I don't get is people who think others should be compelled to pledge allegiance and stand during the anthem. Compelling allegiance is the definition of fascism. If people don't want to you need to address the reason why.

 

[Warhammer]

Donald Trump, with all his issues, does NOT imo come off as being anti-American.

The same applies to Kaepernick. Neither of them come off as being anti-American at all.

 

[chamber-music]

Not to mention, there's no mention the slaves who fought for the British were even "freed." According to some sources they were just as conscripted by the British as they'd have been fighting for the Americans previously. The 18th Century British Empire wasn't exactly some bastion of freedom for minorities. Ask India.

The British could certainly be racist as hell but they did sometimes keep their word.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Negroes

The British created a registry of escaped slaves, called the Book of Negroes. The registry included details of their enslavement, escape, and service to the British. If accepted, the former slave received a certificate entitling transport out of New York. By the time the Book of Negroes was closed, it had the names of 1336 men, 914 women, and 750 children, who were resettled in Nova Scotia. They were known in Canada as Black Loyalists. About 200 former slaves were taken to London with British forces as free people.

The British settled freed slaves in Jamaica and other West Indian islands, eventually granting them land. They also established Freetown which the first settlement of what became the colony of Sierra Leone.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

So while Kaepernick's lack of patriotism is dominating the news cycle guess who denied veterans a huge increase in benefits?

Your friendly neighborhood Republicans!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ns-legislation-bernie-sanders-senate/5859217/

But at least they stand for the anthem and wear American flag pins. Amirite?

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Use your example at the recent Olympics. Liberals praised Ibtihaj or wearing a hijab but attack Tebow for showing his faith. It's hilarious. This is what Liberalism and Conservatism has become today....idiotic polar opposites.

Christians aren't an oppresssed minority in the United States. In fact they spend a good amount of time telling gays, women, Atheist, etc what they can and can't do.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Christians aren't an oppresssed minority in the United States. In fact they spend a good amount of time telling gays, women, Atheist, etc what they can and can't do.

Erm...

I hope you're not generalising.

 

[chaseter]

You can't be a white Christian male anymore. It's the ctrl-left attitude. I'm starting this.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Erm...

I hope you're not generalising.

So pro-life, anti-science, anti-gay Christian rhetoric and legislation is being pushed by only a handful of Christians?

 

[Schlosser85]

You realize there's gay Christians, right?

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

You can't be a white Christian male anymore. It's the ctrl-left attitude. I'm starting this.

Are people telling white Christian males they can't get married, they can't adopt, they can't teach science, they can't use family planning procedures, etc?

How are they oppressed?

 

[RockSP]

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Who said they were oppressed on this thread? I certainly didn't.

 

[cronosred]

In fact they spend a good amount of time telling gays, women, Atheist, etc what they can and can't do.

Isn't that pretty much every religion?