Discussion: Racism - Part 1

[MessiahDecoy123]

Isn't that pretty much every religion?

In the United States it's mainly the religious right dictating what people can and can't do.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Who said they were oppressed on this thread? I certainly didn't.

This isn't complaining about Christian victimhood?

You can't be a white Christian male anymore. It's the ctrl-left attitude. I'm starting this.

 

[chaseter]

I wasn't the one complaining about praying to Jesus or wearing a hijab. The left complain about one of those. Take a guess which one it is. There are plenty of good people that aren't oppressors in the majority. Trying to take down the majority's sentimentality because of a few is just as dumb as labeling all Muslims as terrorists. That's the alt-right and ctrl-left. I'm still starting that.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Some on the left. Most are Christians I assure you. This notion that liberals are all atheists is rather tiring. For the most part, they're as religious as you people are. They just don't have to make a big deal out of it all the time.

 

[chaseter]

Some on the left. Most are Christians I assure you. This notion that liberals are all atheists is rather tiring. For the most part, they're as religious as you people are. They just don't have to make a big deal out of it all the time.

I think Dems have a lot of Jews and non-denominational as far as religious stats go. Evangelicals, Catholics, Protestants, Mormons, yada yada I believe are mostly Republican.

I believe that's right...

When I talk about the left, I'm talking about the media. I don't know of a poll concerning what I was talking about (hijab vs tebowing). So, I go with what the media is saying. Tim Tebow was largely ridiculed. I don't watch Fox News so all I saw was praise for the hijab.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I wasn't the one complaining about praying to Jesus or wearing a hijab. The left complain about one of those. Take a guess which one it is. There are plenty of good people that aren't oppressors in the majority. Trying to take down the majority's sentimentality because of a few is just as dumb as labeling all Muslims as terrorists. That's the alt-right and ctrl-left. I'm still starting that.

The religious right influence the average American's life far more than any Muslim jihadist.

Jihadist might do a mass shooting here and there but they don't determinie the reproductive rights, the ability to marry, sex ed, the science books, scientific research, euthanasia, the seperation of church and state, etc that millions of Americans desire or rely on.

 

[chaseter]

Euthanasia? Is that on the liberal platform now?

 

[Thundercrack85]

I think Dems have a lot of Jews and non-denominational as far as religious stats go. Evangelicals, Catholics, Protestants, Mormons, yada yada I believe are mostly Republican.

I believe that's right...

When I talk about the left, I'm talking about the media. I don't know of a poll concerning what I was talking about (hijab vs tebowing). So, I go with what the media is saying. Tim Tebow was largely ridiculed. I don't watch Fox News so all I saw was praise for the hijab.

Catholics are split about 50/50. A majority of white Catholics do vote Republican.

With Protestants it seems to be about 50/45 (GOP/Democratic), depending on the candidate. Helps that black Americans are very religious, and predominately Protestant.

I consider Evangelicals, and non-denominational to be Protestant by definition.

Jews are predominately liberal.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Euthanasia? Is that on the liberal platform now?

Not in the Democratic Party platform, but generally, liberals are in favor of it.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Euthanasia? Is that on the liberal platform now?

No it's a human right denied to all Americans because of the droves of puritanical bible heads.

 

[Warhammer]

You can't be a white Christian male anymore. It's the ctrl-left attitude. I'm starting this.

This is the United States. A white Christian male is the cream of the crop.

 

[samsnee]

This is the United States. A white Christian male is the cream of the crop.

I know. Oh no! Instead of being 100% in control of everything, we are only 90%!

 

[samsnee]

The same applies to Kaepernick. Neither of them come off as being anti-American at all.

Depends on what you think of when you think of an American. Only one of the two had said he wants heavily monitor an entire religion.

 

[DeadPresident]

So when a guy behaves in a manner supposedly congruent with the liberty and freedom many nationalist Americans idolize he's suddenly un-American...?

 

[Sawyer]

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[MessiahDecoy123]

So when a guy behaves in a manner supposedly congruent with the liberty and freedom many nationalist Americans idolize he's suddenly un-American...?

It's amazing how quick "freedom loving patriots" will willingly risk their civil liberties and constitutional rights because a rich guy sold them on autocratic white nationalism.

 

[DeadPresident]

It's amazing how quick "freedom loving patriots" will willingly risk their civil liberties and constitutional rights because a rich guy sold them on autocratic white nationalism.

There's definitely a racial component to the outcry, but I think the bulk of it comes from this pervasive, monolithic utopian view many people (admittedly probably mostly white) have of America. Like not supporting the anthem is some kind of precursor to an imminent collapse of the country.

It wouldn't have been as severe, but I suspect if a white athlete did the same thing for whatever personal reason he'd also be singled out and attacked for "not respecting" the nation.

It's weird how people feel more strongly about a disembodied and abstract integrity "possessed" by a nation rather than the emotions or motivations of a breathing human being.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

There's definitely a racial component to the outcry, but I think the bulk of it comes from this pervasive, monolithic utopian view many people (admittedly probably mostly white) have of America. Like not supporting the anthem is some kind of precursor to an imminent collapse of the country.

It wouldn't have been as severe, but I suspect if a white athlete did the same thing for whatever personal reason he'd also be singled out and attacked for "not respecting" the nation.

It's weird how people feel more strongly about a disembodied and abstract integrity "possessed" by a nation rather than the emotions or motivations of a breathing human being.

I was actually referring to the vast number of right wingers currently supporting and enabling the so called alt right.

 

[DeadPresident]

I was actually referring to the vast number of right wingers currently supporting and enabling the so called alt right.

Ah, alright, my mistake. It makes sense I think, the current leftist ideology in the West has very much been hijacked by the radical left, so I can understand why right leaning folk would respond with support for the right's equivalent of unreasonable tinfoilers. The more that the regressive left keeps trying to dictate to society and censor and police what is or isn't acceptable, rather than trying to facilitate reasonable and measured discourse the more the right-wingers will rally back with their own forms of fascism. It's extremism at its worst at the moment with any reasonable voice drowned out by a bunch of toddlers throwing building blocks at one another.

But yeah, I agree, it seems almost like people are giving no thought to the actual implications of the things they're supporting, it feels like there's full on mass psychosis some days.

 

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When I was a kid I had a few of those white people wanting to touch my hair situations. It was weird.

 

[Handsome Rob]

Use your example at the recent Olympics. Liberals praised Ibtihaj or wearing a hijab but attack Tebow for showing his faith. It's hilarious. This is what Liberalism and Conservatism has become today....idiotic polar opposites.

And the subsequent discussion has proven that to some extent.

Rather than confront the inherent hypocrisy in saying Tebow should leave his beliefs off the field while simultaneously defending K's choice to bring his to the field, we instead get another barrage of sidestepping to start griping about Christians' influence in the United States--the conservative Christians, anyway.

How very Hype.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Tebow was criticized because he's a shameless self-promoter, who was a lousy football player putting himself in the spotlight unnecessarily by way of his faith for his own branding purposes. (His little baseball tryout this week was another perfect example of this.) Tebow is an attention ****e and a walking, talking BRAND™

Ibithaj was merely a muslim woman competing in the Olympics for the US who was wearing a hijab, the first time this has ever been seen. Not to mention we're in a political climate where one candidate is talking about banning people of that faith from entering the country, meanwhile she's representing the best of our Nation at the Olympics. She was also not drawing attention to herself. The media made a big deal out of it the day after she competed and she'll likely never be heard from again.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

And the subsequent discussion has proven that to some extent.

Rather than confront the inherent hypocrisy in saying Tebow should leave his beliefs off the field while simultaneously defending K's choice to bring his to the field, we instead get another barrage of sidestepping to start griping about Christians' influence in the United States--the conservative Christians, anyway.

How very Hype.

You guys act like everyone attacked Tebow and supported Kaepernick.

In reality both cases were extremely divisive.

 

[moviedoors]

And the subsequent discussion has proven that to some extent.

Rather than confront the inherent hypocrisy in saying Tebow should leave his beliefs off the field while simultaneously defending K's choice to bring his to the field, we instead get another barrage of sidestepping to start griping about Christians' influence in the United States--the conservative Christians, anyway.

How very Hype.

So you don't have a problem with what Kaepernick did?

What I'm seeing both sides do here is "if my guy does it, it's cool. If yours does, it isn't." BOTH sides.

 

[Handsome Rob]

Tebow was criticized because he's a shameless self-promoter, who was a lousy football player putting himself in the spotlight unnecessarily by way of his faith for his own branding purposes. (His little baseball tryout this week was another perfect example of this.) Tebow is an attention ****e and a walking, talking BRAND™

Ibithaj was merely a muslim woman competing in the Olympics for the US who was wearing a hijab, the first time this has ever been seen. Not to mention we're in a political climate where one candidate is talking about banning people of that faith from entering the country, meanwhile she's representing the best of our Nation at the Olympics. She was also not drawing attention to herself. The media made a big deal out of it the day after she competed and she'll likely never be heard from again.

Turning the focus back on the person being criticized rather than the addressing people doing the criticism . . . again.