Discussion: Racism - Part 1

[The Incredible Hulk]

I dont quite get the Tebow/Kaep comparison? Other than the fact that they both happened on a football field, they really aren't similar.

One guy was blatantly drawing attention to himself by praying on the field in the middle of a football game. The other one didn't stand up for a national anthem (due to what he feels are inadequacies in society) mostly unnoticed for 3 weeks and the media went insane with it.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Tebow was criticized because he's a shameless self-promoter, who was a lousy football player putting himself in the spotlight unnecessarily by way of his faith for his own branding purposes. (His little baseball tryout this week was another perfect example of this.) Tebow is an attention ****e and a walking, talking BRAND™

Ibithaj was merely a muslim woman competing in the Olympics for the US who was wearing a hijab, the first time this has ever been seen. Not to mention we're in a political climate where one candidate is talking about banning people of that faith from entering the country, meanwhile she's representing the best of our Nation at the Olympics. She was also not drawing attention to herself. The media made a big deal out of it the day after she competed and she'll likely never be heard from again.

Yeah, if Tebow simply wore a cross pendant it wouldn't have caused much of a stir but he would bow and pray during every game.

If the Muslim olympian bowed, prayed, and said "God is great" during every event the backlash would've been just as bad despite coming from a different crowd.

 

[Handsome Rob]

So you don't have a problem with what Kaepernick did?

What I'm seeing both sides do here is "if my guy does it, it's cool. If yours does, it isn't." BOTH sides.

I absolutely do have a problem with what Kaepernick did. I also believe he has the absolute right to do exactly what he did. If the NFL has a problem with players expressing beliefs on the field, they should address it uniformly.

My problem here isn't with what K did or what Tebow did. My problem is what you pointed out: The idea that the same people who tell ______ "Keep your beliefs off the field, man!" turn to another and say, "I applaud you for putting your beliefs on the field."

Either expressing personal beliefs on the field is OK . . . or it isn't. It shouldn't be dependent on whether you agree with (or at least don't mind) the opinion being expressed.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Turning the focus back on the person being criticized rather than the addressing people doing the criticism . . . again.

completely missing the point...again

Tebow is all about putting a spotlight on himself, so in turn he gets criticized for it. He's not being put upon because he's a Christian espousing his beliefs, he's getting put upon because he was a lousy football player trying to overcompensate for it by putting his supposed "piousness" in everyone's face. So all of the "he's getting persecuted for his Faith by the Libruls" arguments are misplaced.

Football players invoke God all the time, either by praising him in post game interviews or crossing themselves after TD's etc and no one really cares. Tebow however used it to make a spectacle of himself, mid game at times, and that's what people were criticizing. It'd be like if Kapernick stood on the sideline burning the flag.

 

[moviedoors]

completely missing the point...again

Tebow is all about putting a spotlight on himself, so in turn he gets criticized for it. He's not being put upon because he's a Christian espousing his beliefs, he's getting put upon because he was a lousy football player trying to overcompensate for it by putting his supposed "piousness" in everyone's face. So all of the "he's getting persecuted for his Faith by the Libruls" arguments are misplaced.

Football players invoke God all the time, either by praising him in post game interviews or crossing themselves after TD's etc and no one really cares. Tebow however used it to make a spectacle of himself, mid game at times, and that's what people were criticizing. It'd be like if Kapernick stood on the sideline burning the flag.

Comparing public prayer to flag burning is a little over the top. I think a more apt comparison would be, I don't know, not standing during the national anthem.

I'm not a football watcher though so I could be way off. How far did Tim Tebow actually take things?

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Comparing public prayer to flag burning is a little over the top. I think a more apt comparison would be, I don't know, not standing during the national anthem.

I'm not a football watcher though so I could be way off. How far did Tim Tebow actually take things?

I think Tebow had an anti-abortion commercial play during the Superbowl.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

You're kidding.

Edit: Just watched it. Wow.

 

[chaseter]

This is the United States. A white Christian male is the cream of the crop.

Not without criticism from the left for whatever reason. Praying bad, hijab good...is what the media chants every night before they go to bed. It's that ctrl-left mentality. Anything majority is shameful.

 

[Donner]

Complaining about media bias is pathetic. It's just people being pissed off that what the media reports on doesn't line up with their world view. Get over it. Most intelligent people know to take anything the media spouts off with a grain of salt.

Critical thinking skills are important.

 

[InCali]

I wasn't the one complaining about praying to Jesus or wearing a hijab. The left complain about one of those. Take a guess which one it is. There are plenty of good people that aren't oppressors in the majority. Trying to take down the majority's sentimentality because of a few is just as dumb as labeling all Muslims as terrorists. That's the alt-right and ctrl-left. I'm still starting that.

From a lot of your posts, I think you overgeneralize "leftists". I am almost certainly considered "far left" insofar as I believe in socialized health care, higher taxes for the wealthy, a vast increase in educational funding (esp in lower income neighborhoods), and I'm sure you can think of a few more things.

I also do not give a hot frell in hell what someone wears, their race, their sexual orientation, or their religion. I guess you could say I care about gender because of my sexual orientation, but also believe in equal pay for equal work. Does that make me alt or ctrl left? If so, I don't think I'm a very good fit for your definition.

It's easy to generalize; it's also, almost by definition, inaccurate.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Not without criticism from the left for whatever reason. Praying bad, hijab good...is what the media chants every night before they go to bed. It's that ctrl-left mentality. Anything majority is shameful.

and I guess on the Right they fail to acknowledge nuance in anything and parade out terrible strawman arguments. That and "Conform to our standards or GTFO!"

 

[moviedoors]

What's ctrl-left anyway?

 

[Ms. Marvel]

The opposite of alt-right. So the extreme left I guess.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Extreme left would be Bernie supporters.

The so called ctrl left would be the current Liberal opposition, so Hillary and her supporters.

So they're not the extreme left but rather the pragmatic alternative to the insanity of the alt right.

 

[InCali]

Extreme left would be Bernie supporters.

The so called ctrl left would be the current Liberal opposition, so Hillary and her supporters.

So they're not the extreme left but rather the pragmatic alternative to the insanity of the alt right.

What am I??? ctrl-alt-del left? shift left??

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

What am I??? ctrl-alt-del left? shift left??

I think Chaester came up with ctrl left.

He's the guy to ask.

 

[moviedoors]

What's wrong with regressive left? I like that one.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

What's wrong with regressive left? I like that one.

So the people who believe in tolerance, women's reproductive rights, climate change, evolution, higher wages, affordable healthcare, gay marraige are "regressive"?

What do you call the people who want to turn back the clock to the 1920's?

 

[InCali]

So the people who believe in tolerance, women's reproductive rights, climate change, evolution, higher wages, affordable healthcare, gay marraige are "regressive"?

What do you call the people who want to turn back the clock to the 1920's?

Bootleggers???

 

[Breogan]

What do you call the people who want to turn back the clock to the 1920's?

Bootleggers???

Sup, wachoo need, 1920's I got Fairbanks, Garbo, Chaplin, Buster Keaton, Harold Lloyd, Rudi Valentino, Oswald the Lucky Rabbit...
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Oh, wrong kind of bootlegging?

 

[Ms. Marvel]

So the people who believe in tolerance, women's reproductive rights, climate change, evolution, higher wages, affordable healthcare, gay marraige are "regressive"?

What do you call the people who want to turn back the clock to the 1920's?

I don't think anyone here was saying that to be honest.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Not without criticism from the left for whatever reason. Praying bad, hijab good...is what the media chants every night before they go to bed. It's that ctrl-left mentality. Anything majority is shameful.

So very silly, and says a lot more about the person stating it than the groups they think they are criticizing.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I don't think anyone here was saying that to be honest.

I'm saying the term regressive shouldn't apply to liberals.

If anything it should apply to people who want to turn back time and "make America great again".

 

[DeadPresident]

I'm saying the term regressive shouldn't apply to liberals.

If anything it should apply to people who want to turn back time and "make America great again".

Are you saying the term "regressive" should never apply to liberals or it shouldn't apply exclusively? Because a vocal minority of liberals are currently exceptionally regressive in how they're conducting themselves.

Your statement that

tolerance, women's reproductive rights, climate change, evolution, higher wages, affordable healthcare, gay marraige

are things only associated with liberals just further feeds into the false dichotomy that all conservatives are bad and all liberals are somehow trying to free the unthinking masses from the tyrannical rule of the Republicans.

The truth of the matter is there are reasonable people both liberal and conservative, but the regressive elements of both parties are currently dominating the party agenda and direction. The regressive alt-right is just the extreme and final destination of warped conservative ideals Republicans have been courting for over two decades. And in a pendulum swing to the completely opposite direction the regressive left has adopted opposing positions but with an equal amount of intolerance as a counter-measure.

I'm not American so I don't have a dog in this fight, but to imply liberals are somehow the vanguards of everything progressive in this day and age may apply to the pop media false dichotomy but I highly doubt it applies out on the street with as much polarization as you believe. It's quite clear the current identity politics ruled liberals aren't the people to take the USA forward.

 

[moviedoors]

So the people who believe in tolerance, women's reproductive rights, climate change, evolution, higher wages, affordable healthcare, gay marraige are "regressive"?

What do you call the people who want to turn back the clock to the 1920's?

I meant as a term for folks like the Bernouts. The left version of the alt right.