Discussion: Racism - Part 2

[terry78]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/us/emmett-till-lynching-carolyn-bryant-donham.html?_r=0


I suspect we all knew this years ago, but it was just a product of its time.

 

[hellified]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/us/emmett-till-lynching-carolyn-bryant-donham.html?_r=0


I suspect we all knew this years ago, but it was just a product of its time.

There is no statute of limitations on murder her admitting it now while still in hiding is no justice at all. It brings no closure because she's not accepting punishment for her actions. I don't buy all that "I was a victim too" BS.

 

[samsnee]

From the article

"For his part, Mr. Parker, a pastor, said he harbors no ill will toward Ms. Donham, and hopes that her admission brings her peace.

“I can’t hate,” he said. “Hate destroys the hater, too. That’s a heavy burden to carry.”"

This man's cousin was brutally murdered because a white woman lied, and he doesn't hate her.

Meanwhile our President is shown pictures of his inauguration being less attended than others, and blames the media for spinning the truth.

 

[Docker2.0]

From the article

"For his part, Mr. Parker, a pastor, said he harbors no ill will toward Ms. Donham, and hopes that her admission brings her peace.

“I can’t hate,” he said. “Hate destroys the hater, too. That’s a heavy burden to carry.”"

This man's cousin was brutally murdered because a white woman lied, and he doesn't hate her.

Meanwhile our President is shown pictures of his inauguration being less attended than others, and blames the media for spinning the truth.

Not trying to turn this into a political thread but I'm not even a Trump voter and I can see the game being played.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

From the article

"For his part, Mr. Parker, a pastor, said he harbors no ill will toward Ms. Donham, and hopes that her admission brings her peace.

“I can’t hate,” he said. “Hate destroys the hater, too. That’s a heavy burden to carry.”"

This man's cousin was brutally murdered because a white woman lied, and he doesn't hate her.

Meanwhile our President is shown pictures of his inauguration being less attended than others, and blames the media for spinning the truth.

The young boy died because of a lack of control from some evil people who couldn't wait for such a chance. Not because a woman lied.

 

[samsnee]

What I was trying to say is that it would be easy for this man to blame everyone involved. The woman's actions indirectly led to Till's death. But instead, he shows humility and forgiveness, something our President is short supply in.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What I was trying to say is that it would be easy for this man to blame everyone involved. The woman's actions indirectly led to Till's death. But instead, he shows humility and forgiveness, something our President is short supply in.

Yes it would. And it would be just as easy if the woman was black, Hispanic or Asian. No matter, it is an incredible showing of grace.

 

[hellified]

What I was trying to say is that it would be easy for this man to blame everyone involved. The woman's actions indirectly led to Till's death. But instead, he shows humility and forgiveness, something our President is short supply in.

correction: her actions DIRECTLY led to that boys murder. She is 100% culpable as much as the animals who beat and mutilated that boy.

 

[Hotwire]

Near my hometown!

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/marylan...n-status/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab6a&linkId=33886563

 

[DarthSkywalker]

correction: her actions DIRECTLY led to that boys murder. She is 100% culpable as much as the animals who beat and mutilated that boy.

No. Just no.

 

[hellified]

No. Just no.

you said

The young boy died because of a lack of control from some evil people who couldn't wait for such a chance. Not because a woman lied.

the chance they jumped at was a lie she told. When they pulled Till out of his grandfathers house it was based solely on her account of some offense. EVERYONE in that town knew what the consequences were for a black person doing almost ANYTHING to a white person especially a white woman.

The slightest transgression could spur violence, the Equal Justice Initiative found, as it documented 3,959 victims of lynching in a dozen Southern states.

The group said it found 700 more lynchings of black people in the region than had been previously reported. The research took five years and covered 1877 to 1950, the period from the end of post-Civil War Reconstruction to the years immediately following World War Two.

The report cited a 1940 incident in which Jesse Thornton was lynched in Alabama for not saying “Mister” as he talked to a white police officer.

In 1916, men lynched Jeff Brown for accidentally bumping into a white girl as he ran to catch a train, the report said.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-race-lynching-idUSKBN0LE2VP20150210

So that woman's false account was directly responsible for that boy's murder.

 

[Marvolo]

Near my hometown!

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/marylan...n-status/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab6a&linkId=33886563

Nazi America. Isn't it grand.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

you said



the chance they jumped at was a lie she told. When they pulled Till out of his grandfathers house it was based solely on her account of some offense. EVERYONE in that town knew what the consequences were for a black person doing almost ANYTHING to a white person especially a white woman.

The slightest transgression could spur violence, the Equal Justice Initiative found, as it documented 3,959 victims of lynching in a dozen Southern states.

The group said it found 700 more lynchings of black people in the region than had been previously reported. The research took five years and covered 1877 to 1950, the period from the end of post-Civil War Reconstruction to the years immediately following World War Two.

The report cited a 1940 incident in which Jesse Thornton was lynched in Alabama for not saying “Mister” as he talked to a white police officer.

In 1916, men lynched Jeff Brown for accidentally bumping into a white girl as he ran to catch a train, the report said.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-race-lynching-idUSKBN0LE2VP20150210

So that woman's false account was directly responsible for that boy's murder.

And this forced someone to murder someone else how exactly? Using this logic she could have walked up to any white person on the streets and they would have killed the poor young man. That clearly isn't true.

 

[RockSP]

correction: her actions DIRECTLY led to that boys murder. She is 100% culpable as much as the animals who beat and mutilated that boy.

Yeah, it's like saying the scum who called the cops and lied about John Crawford pointing a gun at people at Walmart isn't complicit in his murder. If that piece of garbage hadn't made that call and told that lie, then the cops wouldn't have come to the store and murdered (and got away with it, as usual) Crawford for holding a bb gun.

 

[hellified]

And this forced someone to murder someone else how exactly? Using this logic she could have walked up to any white person on the streets and they would have killed the poor young man. That clearly isn't true.

are you an american who is familiar with the jim crow south? I just showed you two examples of blacks being lynched for literally nothing and you disregard that to assert some notion that takes her off the hook for her complicit action in a crime.

 

[DeadPresident]

And this forced someone to murder someone else how exactly? Using this logic she could have walked up to any white person on the streets and they would have killed the poor young man. That clearly isn't true.

Don't mind hellified, he can't help but use historical events and horrible reasoning skills to try and "prove" the USA is still exactly the same country it was in the mid 20th century.

 

[RockSP]

Don't mind hellified, he can't help but use historical events and horrible reasoning skills to try and "prove" the USA is still exactly the same country it was in the mid 20th century.

The crime being discussed took place in the 1950s.

 

[hellified]

The crime being discussed took place in the 1950s.

now you see what I'm dealing with on this board

 

[DeadPresident]

The crime being discussed took place in the 1950s.

That's literally the mid 20th century

My point is hellified loves using historical examples, like this crime that occurred in the 50s, to infer the USA still holds roughly the same beliefs as it did back then. He incessantly tries to draw parallels between times like the Jim Crow era and modern day, with no use of facts or data, because they all show astronomical improvements.

 

[RockSP]

That's literally the mid 20th century

Uh...exactly.

My point is hellified loves using historical examples, like this crime that occurred in the 50s, to infer the USA still holds roughly the same beliefs as it did back then. He incessantly tries to draw parallels between times like the Jim Crow era and modern day, with no use of facts or data, because they all show astronomical improvements.

Even if that were true, it has no bearing on a discussion of a crime that DID take place in that era. There was no comparison made by hellified to modern times. He used examples from that same era to illustrate the heinous crimes that could be visited upon blacks for NO reason...just like what happened to Emmett Till. Basically you just wanted to take a shot at him.

 

[DeadPresident]

Uh...exactly.

Even if that were true, it has no bearing on a discussion of a crime that DID take place in that era. There was no comparison made by hellified to modern times. He used examples from that same era to illustrate the heinous crimes that could be visited upon blacks for NO reason...just like what happened to Emmett Till. Basically you just wanted to take a shot at him.

Not really taking a shot at as much as critiquing his general discourse in this thread, which a number of people have taken him up on, it adds nothing constructive to any discussion.

 

[hellified]

Uh...exactly.



Even if that were true, it has no bearing on a discussion of a crime that DID take place in that era. There was no comparison made by hellified to modern times. He used examples from that same era to illustrate the heinous crimes that could be visited upon blacks for NO reason...just like what happened to Emmett Till. Basically you just wanted to take a shot at him.

thank you for recognizing that!

Not really taking a shot at as much as critiquing his general discourse in this thread, which a number of people have taken him up on, it adds nothing constructive to any discussion.

youre coming in the middle of the conversation to talk crap dude.. What this part of the thread is about is the woman who lied on emmitt till resulting in his murder back in the 50s JUST NOW admitted that she lied TODAY. Since there is no statute of limitations on murder in the US she should be prosecuted for her involvement in the crime..regardless that shes in her 80s and near death.

THATS the discussion..now do you have something to add to that or do you want to just troll

 

[SuperT]

LOLOL @ saying that woman doesn't hold any responsibility for Till's death. Her lie she made up led directly to that boys death, screw her. That man has way more compassion than most people, but than again us minorities always have to be "the bigger person" in situations like that.

The right to be angry isn't extended to us a whole lot.

 

[Handsome Rob]

LOLOL @ saying that woman doesn't hold any responsibility for Till's death. Her lie she made up led directly to that boys death, screw her. That man has way more compassion than most people, but than again us minorities always have to be "the bigger person" in situations like that.

The right to be angry isn't extended to us a whole lot.

But, the SJW crowd would then have to acknowledge 1) that a false accusation of sexual assault even exists, and then 2) that said false accusation led to any form of negative consequences for the accused. Good luck with that.

As a white woman of her era, she had "privilege" (to use the SJW lingo) over a black man. So no, while the men who actually murdered Emmett Till are guilty of murder, she at the very least is an accomplice to the crime in that she made a false accusation that she likely knew would lead to extra-legal retaliation against Till.

Making false accusations of sexual assault should be a criminal offense everywhere in this country, exactly because of cases like this. Even if Till had survived, how much time would he had served for no other reason than someone's deliberate lie? And, why shouldn't the false accuser be punished?

 

[Ms. Marvel]

LOLOL @ saying that woman doesn't hold any responsibility for Till's death. Her lie she made up led directly to that boys death, screw her. That man has way more compassion than most people, but than again us minorities always have to be "the bigger person" in situations like that.

The right to be angry isn't extended to us a whole lot.

Stop generalising please just stop.