Discussion: Racism - Part 2

[DeadPresident]

Nope. I posted that pic and asked any comic book readers (like myself) in this thread if they were offended by it. As I've already said some comic book readers in the past have for some strange reason been offended by black characters teaming up, so I was curious if they were offended by this as well.

And I'm asking for some proof of this offense, since you seem to be making out that it's pronounced to an unusual degree.

Heh, exactly. So if there are 20 books featuring white characters what is the point of being upset over a single book featuring non-white characters.

I agree completely, personally. But then, what's the point of being upset over any of this would be my argument? If people want to see more of their own identity groups in fiction then rally people of those same identities and create those properties.

I'm not outraged period. That's you projecting again. But I'm all for latino superheroes getting some shine. Just like I've gone to see plenty of these movies starring whites and will go to see Black Panther, I'd go to see those films too (if they looked like they were good, that is). I've read comics starring latinos just like I read comics starring whoever else.

Why aren't you outraged? Isn't it just another symptom of America's implicit racism that Hispanics aren't represented in the media according to their percentage of the population? This is another tongue in cheek comment, by the by.

In other words you thought I was saying something I wasn't but now you can't admit it.

A similar example. There's a comic book based movie called Wanted that came out years ago starring James Mcavoy and Angelina Jolie. The character Jolie plays is black in the source material. I made a thread asking if people were upset about the "racebending" as it has become known. I asked that question based on the history of fans being upset when a character who is white in the comic gets turned black. Many fans would say they just want the characters to look like they do in the comic, so I was curious if applied with Wanted since I wasn't seeing the usual outcries.

Yes, I know, I was being tongue in cheek. I would imagine race bending is only an issue to people of the race the character is being changed from, and overly sensitive liberals who think things like the Major being played by Scarlett Johansson is problematic simply because the role went to a white woman instead of an Asian one.

Would black people be offended if Shaft was changed to an Asian guy? I'm assuming they would, the same way white people might be offended if [Insert established character here] is changed just because.

Heh. You certainly do assume...it's all you've been doing. That white devil comment is more of your projecting. And no I have no problem with Serkis being a villain. Why would I? The character he's playing is one of Black Panthers main enemies. Michael B. Jordan is also playing a villain.

It was a joke, hence the .

This is a thread about racism on a forum called SuperHeroHype. My question was about racism and superheroes.

Exactly, and your segue was directly from the all-Asian picture to the topic on reaction to black team-ups.

 

[RockSP]

I honestly don't understand why people are offend by such trivial stuff so much.

Exactly.

They're all supposed to be Asian?

Yes. The writer is Greg Pak who is half white, half Asian. I mention it because the writer being black (McDuffie or Hudlin for example) is also usually part of the problem for those who have an issue with black characters interacting.

 

[chaseter]

I wish mirrors didn't exist so that they couldn't remind me of how privelegedly white I am.

 

[Docker2.0]

Over the many years I've been on this forum and other comic forums, whenever a group of black superheroes have teamed up I always see some over the top vitriol aimed at it. I remember people being very upset when on Hudlin's run on Black Panther he wrote a storyline where BP teamed up with Blade, Monica Rambeau, Brother Voodoo and Luke Cage. There was stupid crap being said like "they don't even know each other!"

I haven't seen any of that ignorant nastiness toward this Asian-American superhero team up. I'm just curious if those racist fanboys only have a problem when it's black superheroes teaming up, or if they've actually grown up. Or maybe they are just generally unaware of this team up. Or maybe I've just missed out on the pointless hatred in this particular case...

I remember those times! Same as the hate mail Hudlin got when BP beat Cap. But you are only racist if you bring it back up. Some people kill me.

 

[bell110]

Is up port Kaepernick?

 

[Docker2.0]

Is up port Kaepernick?

English?

 

[RockSP]

I remember those times! Same as the hate mail Hudlin got when BP beat Cap. But you are only racist if you bring it back up. Some people kill me.

Heh, yeah. I remember on the CBR forums once a guy tried to argue that an all white group of heroes is okay since the majority of the old characters are white, but an all black group of heroes is racist. But an all black group of villains would be okay.

 

[chaseter]

White people are sub human with genetic defects:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/heatst...ub-human-and-suffer-from-genetic-defects/amp/

 

[Sithborg]

True. I have to scurry from the sun like a vampire.

 

[Mad Ones]

Funny how a thread on racism gets completely dominated by the feelings of white people.

Might as well change the title to "Undermining People Who Give a **** About Racism"

 

[bell110]

Funny how a thread on racism gets completely dominated by the feelings of white people.

Might as well change the title to "Undermining People Who Give a **** About Racism"

Are white people not a race that have feelings and opinions as well.

 

[Mad Ones]

Are white people not a race that have feelings and opinions as well.

LOL are you actually serious with this post.

White people colonized the world. Might as well colonize any discussion of racism too.

 

[DeadPresident]

White people are sub human with genetic defects:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/heatst...ub-human-and-suffer-from-genetic-defects/amp/

She's just Richard Spencer's counterpart, there are crazies from each group.

Funny how a thread on racism gets completely dominated by the feelings of white people.

Might as well change the title to "Undermining People Who Give a **** About Racism"

Or how about "Whining incessantly but never constructively engaging with issues"?

Are white people not a race that have feelings and opinions as well.

You're going to get told whites can't experience racism, and even if they could they haven't been on the receiving end for centuries so white opinions on any race-related issue don't matter.

 

[DeadPresident]

LOL are you actually serious with this post.

White people colonized the world. Might as well colonize any discussion of racism too.

Are you a professional victim or is it just a hobby?

 

[Mad Ones]

Are you a professional victim or is it just a hobby?

What's your definition of victim?

According to this thread only white people are victims so.

 

[DeadPresident]

What's your definition of victim?

According to this thread only white people are victims so.

Are you deliberately being melodramatically deceitful or are you being facetious?

 

[Mad Ones]

White people in conversations about racism: what about meeeeee???

Complete distraction from addressing ongoing traumas of violent histories of colonialism and slavery.

 

[DeadPresident]

White people in conversations about racism: what about meeeeee???

Complete distraction from addressing ongoing traumas of violent histories of colonialism and slavery.

Pro tip for a pro-victim, undermining other people's personal experiences isn't going to get them to care about your plight. A lot of posters in this thread like to insult whites and in the very next breath implore those same colonizers to care about the ongoing traumas, the former directly contradicts and prevents the latter.

Now please point me to factual and evidence based accounts of the ongoing traumas related to colonialism and slavery and we can discuss them.

 

[Mad Ones]

Pro tip for a pro-victim, undermining other people's personal experiences isn't going to get them to care about your plight. A lot of posters in this thread like to insult whites and in the very next breath implore those same colonizers to care about the ongoing traumas, the former directly contradicts and prevents the latter.

Now please point me to factual and evidence based accounts of the ongoing traumas related to colonialism and slavery and we can discuss them.

White people want to dictate the terms of racism like they have historically controlled everything else. Its as simple as that.

Does "factual evidence" really matter when convenient alternative facts are just as legit.

The fact that we, like many other people in different contexts, are having such a nasty ugly conversation is a product of the founding violences that built the nation.

 

[Reek]

Mad Ones, just curious, what ethnicity are you... if you don't mind me asking

 

[bell110]

LOL are you actually serious with this post.

White people colonized the world. Might as well colonize any discussion of racism too.

As someone in academia, could you please please please tell me what academia's agenda is? As if it is this whole cohesive entity with a master plan. Or are you just referring to the "evil cultural marxist feminists" that are out to destroy everything you've ever loved that gamergate screamed about until they were blue in the face.

I see a lot of hilariously out of touch commentary on academia in this thread all the time. Universities are mostly about making a profit now, which means making themselves the most attractive to first year students by funding business or kinesiology programs (I wonder what kinesiology's secret nefarious agenda is). Places like Women and Gender Studies departments are the first to get defunded.

But please, America, continue vilifying universities while being puzzled by the rise of alternative facts as if the two are unrelated.

Whelp, I guess you answered that question.

White people want to dictate the terms of racism like they have historically controlled everything else. Its as simple as that.

Does "factual evidence" really matter when convenient alternative facts are just as legit.

The fact that we, like many other people in different contexts, are having such a nasty ugly conversation is a product of the founding violences that built the nation.

There really isn't anything to dictate. Racism is pretty cut and dry. Unless you want to redefine words to fit your agenda.

 

[KnightErrant]

As simplistic as this will sound given the totality of the world's racism issues,I do wish we has a species would rise above the "race issue" and get on with the more important issues that are in front of us here on Earth.

A vain hope from all that I see alas.

 

[DeadPresident]

White people want to dictate the terms of racism like they have historically controlled everything else. Its as simple as that.

Why do you refer to white people as a monolithic group? All whites are the same, no diversity of thought, personal experience, outlook, beliefs, etc - all just the same subjugators? You and a few other posters in here really seem to like projecting your view of 1800s slave drivers onto modern white America, why do you do that?

And further, who are you referring to when you say "white people want to dictate the terms of racism"? Racism has held a specific definition, it isn't whites that are redefining it. But I assume you're part of some humanities faculty, like I was, where they teach you intersectionality is the new God and it's time to reclaim all the words back from the white devil and overthrow the status quo?

Does "factual evidence" really matter when convenient alternative facts are just as legit.

It does to people who aren't morons.

The fact that we, like many other people in different contexts, are having such a nasty ugly conversation is a product of the founding violences that built the nation.

This is a nonsensical word salad that, again, sounds nice and fancy but means nothing. Shouldn't this thread be for making headway rather than incessant whining? The fact that some individuals are guilty of racist acts and beliefs doesn't mean you should superimpose those actions and beliefs onto everyone who shares a race with them. Unless, of course, by the same logic it's alright for people to start saying "Wow, black men should really start raising their own kids", since it's okay to just ignore the fact the people are individuals and not just binaries across statistical strata and paint everyone with the same stereotypical brush?

Can you not discern modern day from America's history, or are you going to keep covering that ground until the day you die? I'll be the first to agree America's history is built on massive prejudice and racism, but you appear to be ignoring all the progress the country has made to fit your narrative of inescapable and ever-present racism.

 

[Mad Ones]

This is a nonsensical word salad that, again, sounds nice and fancy but means nothing. Shouldn't this thread be for making headway rather than incessant whining? The fact that some individuals are guilty of racist acts and beliefs doesn't mean you should superimpose those actions and beliefs onto everyone who shares a race with them. Unless, of course, by the same logic it's alright for people to start saying "Wow, black men should really start raising their own kids", since it's okay to just ignore the fact the people are individuals and not just binaries across statistical strata and paint everyone with the same stereotypical brush?

Can you not discern modern day from America's history, or are you going to keep covering that ground until the day you die? I'll be the first to agree America's history is built on massive prejudice and racism, but you appear to be ignoring all the progress the country has made to fit your narrative of inescapable and ever-present racism.

This why this conversation is not going to go anywhere. Truly examine why too many people insist on making racism the product of an individual problem and not systemic. Who does defining racism this way benefit? Who does it absolve?

You care about the individual and progress. Those ideologies have lead the way to Trump and Clinton and how great was that choice?

Anyway, what this thread is about: making fun of people who care about racism, trying to undermine discriminated groups by focusing on white victimhood (sometimes seriously and sometimes just to spite people's feelings), and trumpeting rampant individualism (everyone is equal when i comes to racism, racism is colourblind!)

What this thread isn't: a space where people can commiserate on their daily experiences with racism and find community, or a discussion on how racism plays into issues like NoDAPL, the shooting in Quebec, American immigration, etc.

Some posts come pretty close to white nationlism, in a racism thread. I hoped the hype was better than this.

 

[Docker2.0]

This why this conversation is not going to go anywhere. Truly examine why too many people insist on making racism the product of an individual problem and not systemic. Who does defining racism this way benefit? Who does it absolve?

You care about the individual and progress. Those ideologies have lead the way to Trump and Clinton and how great was that choice?

Anyway, what this thread is about: making fun of people who care about racism, trying to undermine discriminated groups by focusing on white victimhood (sometimes seriously and sometimes just to spite people's feelings), and trumpeting rampant individualism (everyone is equal when i comes to racism, racism is colourblind!)

What this thread isn't: a space where people can commiserate on their daily experiences with racism and find community, or a discussion on how racism plays into issues like NoDAPL, the shooting in Quebec, American immigration, etc.

Some posts come pretty close to white nationlism, in a racism thread. I hoped the hype was better than this.

Yep! That's how you can go from one extreme of a black President in Barack Obama to an arguably racist President now. Whatever was under the surface before Obama has just bubbled up to the surface during his years in office so that now "reverse racism" is cried more than actual racism because "racism doesn't exist any more" but is all in people's heads, even there is so much evidence that points to the contrary.