and for the people who are on the crappy end of that dynamic theyre going to complain and protest and call it out when it happens. You are implicitly condoning it if your argument is its something thats just a function of how people interact therefore you may as well just learn to deal with it and live with it. That being the case stop complaining about it or even calling it out because its not even the thing you think it is. Meanwhile they still have to live with the crappy end of that dynamic.
YOU haven't outlined any operational and policy related changes. But here's a simple one..DON'T DO THAT CRAP! its the same thing you say to a child when they behave badly and lack decent fellowship rules. Adults SHOULD be able to follow the same kind of rules laid down for children.
So whats YOUR policies meaningful change?? I'll wait.
I rebutted your source with my own..again because YOU can't handle that doesn't mean its less valid.
Youre example of jews isn't a very good one since they didn't extricate themselves from anything. You pointed out that jews pretty much got their asses kicked almost everywhere they went from the middle east to eastern europe and in recent history was well on the road to extermination if it weren't for the help of others namely the US to literally create a state for them and prop them up financially for strategical reasons. If that didn't happen you wouldn't be using them for your example. Your point that
The environment an individual or group finds themselves in isn't necessarily the greatest contributor to a person's circumstances or the achievement of their goals and...
A person's environment plays a significant role but it's not an absolute..
Can be knocked down using your example of jews. Considering it took a world war, the literal destruction of nazi germany and half of europe and the creation of a state in the middle east to change their circumstances pretty much illustrates the point that until the environment changes no improvement can be made. So jews didn't extricate themselves from anything..they got help and a lot of it. But the "bootstraps" narrative is typical of people who make the arguments you're making even when its not true.
Also that last line black Americans will mostly become as prosperous as everyone else? is just straight trolling and BS since everyone else in america isn't prosperous. But thats the narrative that people like you use to set up this dynamic that blacks are the only ones who are having these issues so its blacks vs everyone else in america...meanwhile native americans are fighting the government as we speak for issues pertaining to thier lands and mexicans have their issues and statistically in many ways are similar to blacks in many issues and the list goes on but somehow it always boils down to black vs white with the sub narrative of blacks are the only ones complaining.
This was never a debate, debates actually have a purpose. You want to whine and put responsibility for your circumstance on someone else and then when someone asks you for the exact ways you would do this, like specific education or socioeconomic plans you would recommend you tell them to come up with it themselves. I'm starting to think you don't actually want things to improve so much as you want to blame others ad infinitum. It's odd you keep quoting things from the past like America is exactly the same today was it was 60-200 years ago, someone's a little out of touch with reality,
Enjoy the rest of your "debates" and the circumstances never changing.
