Discussion: Racism - Part 2

[MessiahDecoy123]

The cop executed a fleeing suspect then planted a stun gun near his dead body so he could justify the murder as self defense.

 

[TheCommissioner]

and yet ONE juror doesn't deem that enough and is holding up the verdict

if this is a mistrial, I can only hope that juror is out and shamed for the rest of his days

 

[RockSP]

How was the victim framed? I haven't looked at the video for some time but thought it did show him struggling with the officer. That doesn't justify the shooting but I don't see where "framing" comes in.

I've never been able to figure out why Scott ran at all. His crimes were those of non-payment of child support and contempt of court. Is doing time on those sort of charges worse than the possibility of being killed while resisting arrest?

Lol...you say that as if murdering the dude should've even been an option.

 

[Lighthouse]

Because nice things can't happen either.

‘Santa is WHITE. BOYCOTT Mall of America’: Online racists are having a meltdown over mall’s black Santa

Three years after Fox’s Megyn Kelly definitively explained to America that both Jesus Christ and Santa Claus were white men, Mall of America dismissed her advice and hired Larry Jefferson, a retired U.S. Army veteran from Irving, Texas to spend four days at the mall listening to the wish lists of children of all colors.

According to the editorial editor of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, comments on black Santa became so offensive the paper shut down their online comments on the article about it.

“Looks like we had to turn comments off on story about Mall of America’s first black Santa. Merry Christmas everyone!” Scott Gillespie wrote.

I think he looks great.

This year has turned me into a full fledged misanthrope.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Boycotting Santa because he doesn't share your skin color?

I wish some of these morons would get visited by the three ghost of Christmas.

 

[chaseter]

I've been wanting the chance to disprove the claim that white people are never killed in acts of defiance or minor crime. I imagine this incident is like many that won't make national news, but that doesn't mean there aren't many more like it.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/p...tical-incident-during-arrest-of-theft-suspect

No one cares when white people die.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Oh God, I remember this video when it came out. I thought it was unbelievable. He was actually caught on video planting evidence. Like it wouldn't be bad enough if he just unloaded his gun into someone's back. You can't make this **** up.

 

[Clark-Kent]

Not clear on some of the details as to why this happened. The other video of cop stopping, and him not having any forms of id and claiming he was buying car. What was truth of why he ran? Not saying it makes shooting him ok, cause cop should never be executioner. I just know the whole situation is avoided if he never ran in first place. Curious why he took off???

 

[CaptainWagner]

I've been wanting the chance to disprove the claim that white people are never killed in acts of defiance or minor crime. I imagine this incident is like many that won't make national news, but that doesn't mean there aren't many more like it.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/p...tical-incident-during-arrest-of-theft-suspect

This highlights that there is a wider issue with excessive force from police beyond just the racial profiling issues. And unfortuantely, when the conversation is always made about race, things don't change, because of how toxic things have become in regards to that particular issue. While racial profiling shouldn't be ignored, I think it's important to highlight that it's not the same issue as excessive police force. And a lot of cases like this get left in the dust because without the race angle available, it's not considered news worthy.

As for the jury on that other case, that's just pathetic. If you can't say he's innocent, then he's guilty! This juror is basically admitting to not carrying out justice just because he doesn't want to.

 

[TheCommissioner]

and placing racial issues to the side for a moment

there is a police culture problem here in the US, police think they are above the law and accountability, which is why s**t like this happens

why the Daniel Holtzclaw case happened

 

[TheCommissioner]

No one cares when white people die.

youve got white people doing all that meth and killing each other over welfare checks

nope, no one cares

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Actually when hard drugs start impacting white communities you start seeing more tratment based drug policy and less incarceration.

 

[Donner]

youve got white people doing all that meth and killing each other over welfare checks

nope, no one cares

Meow.

 

[DeadPresident]

and placing racial issues to the side for a moment

there is a police culture problem here in the US, police think they are above the law and accountability, which is why s**t like this happens

why the Daniel Holtzclaw case happened

youve got white people doing all that meth and killing each other over welfare checks

nope, no one cares

 

[TheCommissioner]

it is two separate posts

maybe I should have had more spacing

 

[DeadPresident]

Haha it's just funny because one would assume racial issues should always be to the side and have facts or data prioritized instead.

I find it amusing that a couple of the black American posters like making sweeping generalizations about white Americans that were the situations reversed would create an uproar. "You've got blacks doing all that crack and shooting each other over welfare checks" I'm sure would be cause for someone to accuse anyone making that statement of being a klan member Also thought the wording was funny; "all that meth", like meth use is up there with heart disease and lung cancer.

Overall it's just sad that people will always insult other racial groups and take gross offense when the same is done to them and never see the contradiction.

 

[TheCommissioner]

if people want to bring up "black on black" crime all the time

ill happily bring up the disproportionate white perpetrators, as it relates to welfare, domestic and sexual abuse, and drug use

 

[DeadPresident]

if people want to bring up "black on black" crime all the time

ill happily bring up the disproportionate white perpetrators, as it relates to welfare, domestic and sexual abuse, and drug use

As you wish man.

 

[TheCommissioner]

but I was utterly serious about the police culture problem

that goes well beyond racial lines

PDs think they can do whatever to whoever they want because local DAs wont bring charges and the general attitude to defend "our brave men and women"

 

[DeadPresident]

but I was utterly serious about the police culture problem

that goes well beyond racial lines

PDs think they can do whatever to whoever they want because local DAs wont bring charges and the general attitude to defend "our brave men and women"

I agree with that. Law enforcement culture and protocols need a serious overhaul and their training and education needs to be expanded a lot. The rate that incidents are occurring at is unusual. By the same token I think the entire public needs to have education, probably in high schools, on the correct conduct when engaging with cops.

The media likes blowing the black civilian vs white cop thing out of proportion and that's a massive red herring, from what I've seen many suspects irrespective of demographics conduct themselves badly in interactions with cops. I can understand people not wanting to be profiled or mistreated by cops but if a cop is being reasonable putting him/her on edge by being uncooperative isn't a good start.

In a country like the USA where everyone and ther gran's poodle are packing I don't blame cops for being nervous in a lot of situations.

 

[TheCommissioner]

I agree with that. Law enforcement culture and protocols need a serious overhaul and their training and education needs to be expanded a lot. The rate that incidents are occurring at is unusual. By the same token I think the entire public needs to have education, probably in high schools, on the correct conduct when engaging with cops.

The media likes blowing the black civilian vs white cop thing out of proportion and that's a massive red herring, from what I've seen many suspects irrespective of demographics conduct themselves badly in interactions with cops. I can understand people not wanting to be profiled or mistreated by cops but if a cop is being reasonable putting him/her on edge by being uncooperative isn't a good start.

In a country like the USA where everyone and ther gran's poodle are packing I don't blame cops for being nervous in a lot of situations.

there is a difference between "being nervous" and systemic abuse

like Daniel Holtzclaw

or this murderer who gunned down a man, lied about it, and still wont be held accountable if the jury stays locked up

even the man who recorded the video has gotten death threats

 

[DeadPresident]

there is a difference between "being nervous" and systemic abuse

like Daniel Holtzclaw

or this murderer who gunned down a man, lied about it, and still wont be held accountable if the jury stays locked up

even the man who recorded the video has gotten death threats

Sure, I agree with that too, that was criminal and he deserves extensive prison time - irrespective of the victim's race. My question is just what informs people's belief that there's systemic abuse at the scale they think?

All bull**** aside and whatever other discussions we've had in the past; serious question I've had on my mind for a while (in regard to social issues and digital media in general, not just cops):

Is it possible our opinions on social issues are being enhanced and exaggerated by how much we encounter specific kinds of information? My theory is that we've developed a bias through our engagement with digital/social media where the amount of times we see stories about certain issues becomes the rate at which we think they actually occur statistically.

For example, if 50% of the news stories we see are about cops abusing civilians I think many people start assuming an inordinate amount of engagements with cops will end in abuse. 50% of stories that we see in a day, week, month, or year may account for 10 incidents out of 10,000. When people say X, Y or Z is a problem I often wonder what information or experience gives them that belief and how dependable the information is. I genuinely think that people extrapolate the information they engage with to be as prevalent statistically/globally as it is in their own lives.

I'm not denying there's abuse by certain cops, but I think what you describe as systemic abuse might be less prevalent than you think and disproportionately covered by media, along with a host of other hot button issues like abortion or LGBT discrimination. These are problems that need to be addressed, but I'm not sure they're 11th hour critical issues people make them out to be, they're just ratings and money spinners because people will always gravitate towards that kind of coverage.

 

[TheCommissioner]

I can say my distrust of those wearing badges comes from my childhood and adolescence - my extremely abusive stepfather was a cop, he verbally abused my mom and physically abused me and there was nothing we could really do about it

when his friends would be over, I would always hear them talking about abusing people on the street and that they could do whatever they wanted


its a deep seeded thing, but thats only speaking for me personally

 

[DeadPresident]

I can say my distrust of those wearing badges comes from my childhood and adolescence - my extremely abusive stepfather was a cop, he verbally abused my mom and physically abused me and there was nothing we could really do about it

when his friends would be over, I would always hear them talking about abusing people on the street and that they could do whatever they wanted


its a deep seeded thing, but thats only speaking for me personally

That's understandable, then, since it was something you personally experienced. My question, and it's as much to myself as it is to anyone else in regards to issues I have strong beliefs about, is how much people in general these days over-extend their personal experience to what's just going on in general.

I've noticed it myself, if I see something specific pop on online or on the news or in the papers over a week or a month period I catch myself thinking or saying "This happens everywhere" when I think what I (and maybe others) really mean is "I'm hearing about this/seeing this everywhere". I'm not bringing this up to discount that there is probably systemic abuse in law enforcement, at the very least systemic lack of appropriate education/training of cops so that the psychopaths that are on the force don't have carte blanche, but I'm not sure it's a "1 in 5 cops is a secret klan member" type of prevalence.

 

[TheCommissioner]

I think where there is smoke, the fire is bigger than you think

I believe it is prevalent, and we are just hearing about it more BECAUSE of social media

because people are tired of accepting abuse

I think there are more "bad cops" then good ones, otherwise you'd have "the good ones" saying something and not fearing reprisals, death threats, etc