Discussion: Racism - Part 2

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Thank you for that condescending attitude. I'll be sure to feel sympathy for your situation now.

Obviously I couldn't before because it's all about me and the examples of racism I learned about in school weren't good enough for me to really understand.

Super-T's sentiment is another favorite race-baiter fallacy, whites must act like allies and try to overthrow racism while simultaneously being the secret perpetrators of racism. How anyone treats whites should also be completely separate from their adherence to the duty of overthrowing racism. Obviously, whites have had it so good for so long that being treated like **** for a generation or two shouldn't phase them much :o
 
Also, I'd recommend people don't take "The Root" seriously, it's the leftist version of StormFront. Any "publication" that publishes an article titled "Whiteness in America is a virus whose sole purpose is to preserve itself" is so out of touch it's not even funny, it seems it's a favorite hangout spot for closet black nationalists and black supremacists.

I loathe using the phrase because it's a bogeyman that white supremacists like throwing around to scaremonger, but that site is actually just espousing anti-whiteness.
 
Super-T's sentiment is another favorite race-baiter fallacy, whites must act like allies and try to overthrow racism while simultaneously being the secret perpetrators of racism.

The two aren't mutually exclusive. You can be an ally and want to overthrow racism here within our country yet still understand the fact that you benefit from said racism staying in place whether purposefully or passively. :huh:
 
I think people have enough problems in their own lives without having to constantly acknowledge and understand that whites benefit from racism (whether or not that is even true). This kind of rhetoric divides people and it sure as hell doesn't make anyone sympathetic. It just pisses them off.
 
The two aren't mutually exclusive. You can be an ally and want to overthrow racism here within our country yet still understand the fact that you benefit from said racism staying in place whether purposefully or passively. :huh:

Your point of departure assumes every white actually benefits, and of course, you can prove they did?

See the predicate of the left's entire ideological structure of identity politics presumes all people of a certain category experience life the same way, and also perpetrate the same actions. That's a fallacy. Groups don't have privilege, groups don't oppress, groups aren't racist - individuals do those things. You and other identity politics obsessors don't seem to be able to grasp that concept, you fight an entire group and wonder why individuals within that group feel defensive.

The perpetrators of the crimes, who are long dead and gone, have now been equated with the beneficiaries of their crimes. Another salient fact you seem to ignore is that the language used by publications like The Root is prejudicial in nature. All the articles posted from that site have created a mystique around this "whiteness" term, like it's some kind of disease that a person needs to be cured of. The long and the short of it is the radical left has identified its enemy, it's white people, and through using clever language they try and hide that fact, they try and make it seem like there are just elements they're targeting rather than the whole. But, of course, prejudice against whites is no concern of anyone's, they deserve it, right?

There's also this fallacy of protecting certain groups but not others with this critique of "Not all _________". A radical Muslim bombs a train station; "He's not a real Muslim, not all Muslims do that". A black male robs a convenience store; "Not all black people are criminals". A white man says something racist; "Not all white - " , Nah, all whites. A man sexually assaults a woman; "Not all men are - ", Nah, all men.
 
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I think people have enough problems in their own lives without having to constantly acknowledge and understand that whites benefit from racism. This kind of rhetoric divides people and it sure as hell doesn't make anyone sympathetic. It just pisses them off.

And this is exactly why as minorities it's frustrating talking about racism in this country - why get so defensive when pointing out the obvious? The first step to toppling racism is to understand and pinpoint how you benefit from it and how it suppresses us minorities and our voices. How can you truly help us topple it if you don't understand the basics of how it functions and benefits you in our society. Does it suck hearing that you benefit from racism staying in place? Of course it does, but if we can't have these frank conversations than we're never going to get anywhere.

From our viewpoint as minorities, we can't keep tossing you these softball conversations out of fear that we're going to hurt your feelings or that you're too fragile to really talk about what's going on here. We're not going to accomplish anything. It's tiring having to tiptoe around white peoples feelings on this issue and modify my behavior in order to appease.

(whether or not that is even true)

You don't believe white society benefits from structural racism staying in place in our country? :huh: And let me be clear - when I say white society benefits from it staying in place that DOES NOT mean that I think all of white society wants it to stay in place.

Those are two very different things.
 
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There's a difference between "softball conversations" and defending "All I want for Christmas is white genocide", you don't appear to be able to understand the distinction.

There's no "tiptoeing around white people's feelings" as much as you seem to want to be able to say whatever you want without any consideration for consequences or how another human being will feel about them. If minorities deserve the common decency of not being on the receiving end of statements like "All I want for Christmas is black/Hispanic/Asian genocide" surely whites deserve the same common courtesy?

This is about nothing more than common decency from individuals to one another, but the propagating belief seems to be that isn't deserved by all people.
 
There's a difference between "softball conversations" and defending "All I want for Christmas is white genocide", you don't appear to be able to understand the distinction.

Where was I defending the "white genocide" comment?! I've never even spoken on that issue here. As far as I know of the situation, the comment from the professor was made as a sarcastic joke poking at the far/alt-right goons that think a white genocide is actually happening simply because minorities want equal rights under the law.

It's ridiculous.
 
It's tiring having to tiptoe around white peoples feelings on this issue and modify my behavior in order to appease.

I won't speak for all white people, but if you avoid accusing me of committing "white violence" merely over a difference of opinion, than you don't have to tiptoe around me. I mean, think about it; why shouldn't I have a problem with people accusing me of violence if I disagree with a professor tweeting about how much he'd like to see a genocide? How is that not a uselessly hysterical perversion of a word that has a specific meaning? What's the antonym of "euphemism"?
 
We're not going to accomplish anything.

This is the only part of your post that needs to be addressed. You don't seem to understand that your hostile, condescending, blanket-statement narrative will not accomplish anything. You won't get what you want when you insult and demean the very people you're trying to get to help.

You can't keep calling people racists and then expect them to see your point of view. That's what you just don't get.
 
Where was I defending the "white genocide" comment?! I've never even spoken on that issue here. As far as I know of the situation, the comment from the professor was made as a sarcastic joke poking at the far/alt-right goons that think a white genocide is actually happening simply because minorities want equal rights under the law.

It's ridiculous.

His follow-up tweet: “When the whites were massacred during the Haitian revolution, that was a good thing indeed.”

I don't take his tweets at face value per se, but I do think they suck as sarcasm, satire, or jokes.
 
Where was I defending the "white genocide" comment?! I've never even spoken on that issue here. As far as I know of the situation, the comment from the professor was made as a sarcastic joke poking at the far/alt-right goons that think a white genocide is actually happening simply because minorities want equal rights under the law.

It's ridiculous.

I didn't say you defended it, I was juxtaposing two comments, as well as referring to your generally cavalier and condescending attitude whenever whites in this thread dare to take issue with blatantly prejudicial statements. I don't care about someone's identity when they do something, I care about the act. If making racist comments is wrong for whites, which it damn well is, it better be wrong if anyone else does it too. If hate speech using inflammatory topics like calling for a genocide, joke or not, is wrong, it better be wrong when anyone does it. The double standards related to what is or isn't acceptable conduct based on identity is the wedge separating people in the States.

You can't ask one group of people to be your ally in overturning racist structures in America and in the same breath tell that group what they are or aren't allowed to take exception with, which seems to be happening often in this thread.

So his tweet possibly being a "sarcastic joke" means it's acceptable? :huh:
 
From our viewpoint as minorities, we can't keep tossing you these softball conversations out of fear that we're going to hurt your feelings or that you're too fragile to really talk about what's going on here. We're not going to accomplish anything. It's tiring having to tiptoe around white peoples feelings on this issue and modify my behavior in order to appease.

Have you never paused for a moment to consider how tedious, whiny, ill-founded, hyper-sensitive and (at times) greedy and self-serving the type of self-righteous anti-white racism you favor seems to others?

Fine, if you don't want people to have to tip-toe around each others' feelings, we can rewind to the pre-civil rights era. You will be the first snowflake melting under the heat of the casual use of some formerly popular racial terms.
 
Also, I'd recommend people don't take "The Root" seriously, it's the leftist version of StormFront. Any "publication" that publishes an article titled "Whiteness in America is a virus whose sole purpose is to preserve itself" is so out of touch it's not even funny, it seems it's a favorite hangout spot for closet black nationalists and black supremacists.

I loathe using the phrase because it's a bogeyman that white supremacists like throwing around to scaremonger, but that site is actually just espousing anti-whiteness.

are you f'ng kidding me?

StormFront encourages VIOLENCE against "non whites and lesser races"

The Root writes some hard to read stuff for white people

not exactly the same
 
This is the only part of your post that needs to be addressed. You don't seem to understand that your hostile, condescending, blanket-statement narrative will not accomplish anything. You won't get what you want when you insult and demean the very people you're trying to get to help.

You can't keep calling people racists and then expect them to see your point of view. That's what you just don't get.

who says we want your help anymore?
 
I think there are many white people who want to be saviors, not allies

and either don't know the difference or don't care
 
are you f'ng kidding me?

StormFront encourages VIOLENCE against "non whites and lesser races"

The Root writes some hard to read stuff for white people

not exactly the same

Oh don't worry, they'll get working on the violence soon, it's already started. Again, would the headline "Blackness in America is a virus whose sole purpose is preserving itself" just be "hard to read for black people", or is there something slightly more sinister implied by it?

who says we want your help anymore?

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This is obscenely childish, not least because you must be excessively out of touch with reality if you think any of your goals can be achieved without cooperation.
 
and your refusal to even understand why we are angry and talking down to the minorities in this thread is equally childish
 
and your refusal to even understand why we are angry and talking down to the minorities in this thread is equally childish

Talking down to minorities? Are you insane? Do you not see SuperT's insanely condescending posts?

But then again, from your point of view, nothing we say will be okay with you. So whatever. Keep grinding those gears of yours. See how far you get.
 
and your refusal to even understand why we are angry and talking down to the minorities in this thread is equally childish

I don't talk down to minorities, I talk down to unreasonable people, not everything is about identity. And I understand why you're angry, but you being blatantly condescending and dismissive of them pesky honkeys is actually an obstacle to the goals you claim you have, and their achievement. You also ignored the comment about the article, but that's alright.

So all bull**** aside, how do you see this playing out if you don't want "their help" anymore?
 
to be honest, we've already got targets on our backs so....

you could start with maybe "I understand" "im sorry" or maybe "let me do some more research to understand why you feel the way you do"

but most "white progressives" seem to be immune to that
 
to be honest, we've already got targets on our backs so....

What…?

you could start with maybe "I understand" "im sorry" or maybe "let me do some more research to understand why you feel the way you do"

I've said multiple versions of those at different points during this thread. As an aside, I don't have to personally apologize for anything, that's not a prerequisite for wanting to help a group of people. I've never done anything to detriment a minority, I'm not even American. If people need to apologize for their "white privilege" and beneficiary status, do I get a pass if my father was an anti-Apartheid activist? I mean if privilege is transferable, penance is too, right?

but most "white progressives" seem to be immune to that

Is this aimed at me? I'm not sure I'm the archetypal "white progressive".
 
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