Discussion: Racism - Part 2

[TheCommissioner]

- " Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection" - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr (from jail after being denied his first and 14th amendment rights to assemble and to equal protection 53 years ago) -

 

[SuperT]

actually no, it just requires that person taking a minute, assessing a given situation and making the right decision

to engage or not

and to get to that point requires some introspection on the ally's part

Thank you. How is this concept hard for them to grasp?

 

[moviedoors]

Thank you. How is this concept hard for them to grasp?

Well, what you are quoting is very vague. What TheCommisioner said could be interpreted in so many different ways that it's almost meaningless as a practical guide.

I mean, do the right thing? That's like the ultimate example of easier-said-than-done. Basically all of religion and philosophy thru out human history has been a struggle with that concept.

 

[hellified]

So there's no possible solution, it's futile to even try, but, whites need to be allies in achieving this impossible solution, but they also need to know their place and not try and be saviors by achieving the solution without suitable consultation.

…alright.

Don't help assuming "You can sit this one out" - "Whitey doesn't care, privileged asshat".
Does help assuming they're an ally - "Relax man, we've got it".

This seems slightly problematic.

its what happens when a society is created based on racial stratification.

 

[hellified]

Secret Service agrees to pay $24 million in decades-old race-bias case brought by black agents

The race bias case centered on black agents who repeatedly bid for promotions from 1995 to 2005 and were turned down in favor of whites. Often the white agents chosen had less experience and lower performance ratings, according to the plaintiffs. Ray Moore, the lead plaintiff, had been a member of President Bill Clinton’s detail and had bid 200 times for promotion over the years without success. Moore had trained several of the white agents who leapfrogged him.

The suit was first filed when Clinton was president. But two presidents and four directors had passed the job of resolving the messy legal fight on to their successors.

Some of the evidence discovered in the course of the case portrayed the Secret Service of the 1990s and 2000s as a workplace that tolerated racist jokes and slurs. White supervisors engaged in racist banter — and black agents were warned not to complain about it or they could hurt their careers, according to the plaintiffs.

Black agents said they heard bosses use the n-word word to describe black people, including foreign leaders the Secret Service was supposed to be protecting.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...3375f271c9c_story.html?utm_term=.18747b11669d

this isn't 100 years ago..this is well within everyone here's lifetime. So whats the solution to these attitudes, practices and culture??

 

[TheCommissioner]

Culture change doesn't just happen

Firstly - severe professional consequences for those involved - like posted to Alaska consequences

Secondly - education - like grab these @$%@$% by the head and explain to them slowly that just because someone is a different color doesn't mean you are better or smarter than them

Thirdly - when this happens again, not if, but when because people are dumb, severe professional consequences

The only way these idiots learn is if you take their toys away, theyll get the message eventually

 

[moviedoors]

But can we make a distinction between systemic racism in the Secret Service and the actress, who is a member of an interracial family, whose heart is quite clearly in the right place, using a couple of black emojis in a tweet?

Or is asking that an act of white violence?

 

[Handsome Rob]

Rock Band "The Slants" Takes on Supreme Court

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...rogatory-trademarks-first-amendment/96505042/

Despite making music for more than a decade, the Portland, Oregon-based band has been unable to get its name registered as a federal trademark. The battle will culminate Wednesday when four Asian-Americans who call themselves "The Slants" play a 400-seat theater known as the Supreme Court.
At issue is nothing less than freedom of speech: Does a federal law that empowers the Patent and Trademark Office to turn down applications it deems disparaging violate the First Amendment?

I see no reason why an All-Asian band shouldn't be allowed to trademark their name and get the protection that goes along with it. Hopefully, the Supreme Court will rule in their favor.

 

[TheCommissioner]

But can we make a distinction between systemic racism in the Secret Service and the actress, who is a member of an interracial family, whose heart is quite clearly in the right place, using a couple of black emojis in a tweet?

Or is asking that an act of white violence?

clarify. please?

not a situation I am familiar with

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

But can we make a distinction between systemic racism in the Secret Service and the actress, who is a member of an interracial family, whose heart is quite clearly in the right place, using a couple of black emojis in a tweet?

Or is asking that an act of white violence?

What is the origin of this?

 

[moviedoors]

clarify. please?

not a situation I am familiar with

This:

Why do conversations with white people about race fall apart?

Hadn't heard about it until I read it your link and I backed tracked from there.

 

[Erzengel]

Quick question.

Steve Harvey's comments/"jokes" that no one wants to date an Asian man. Was that even a blip on any entertainment/news radar?

I know he went on to "apologize" for his comments.

 

[DeadPresident]

That awkward moment when "Not all whites" is "white violence" but "All I want for Christmas is white genocide" is "sarcasm"/poking fun.

 

[DeadPresident]

Quick question.

Steve Harvey's comments/"jokes" that no one wants to date an Asian man. Was that even a blip on any entertainment/news radar?

I know he went on to "apologize" for his comments.

It won't be a blip on any radar, one of the "hallowed" groups wasn't the target and one of the "bad" groups wasn't the perpetrator.

 

[TheCommissioner]

it was a big "blip" in my circles, basically calling Steve Harvey for what he already is

an uncouth clown

Harvey will always get more heat in black spaces than white, because to mainstream entertainment he's "harmless"

 

[Erzengel]

Circles as in your group of friends or the areas of the internet you go?

I'm honestly curious since I'm not home during the day and if this was seriously called out on entertainment shows/news outlets?

 

[Handsome Rob]

It won't be a blip on any radar, one of the "hallowed" groups wasn't the target and one of the "bad" groups wasn't the perpetrator.

Well, now that Steve Harvey has met with Trump and appears willing to work with him, he may lose the protections afforded him. He's already been referred to as a "mediocre negro" on cable news as a result. I imagine a lot of other terms will be dropped on him.

 

[DeadPresident]

Well, now that Steve Harvey has met with Trump and appears willing to work with him, he may lose the protections afforded him. He's already been referred to as a "mediocre negro" on cable news as a result. I imagine a lot of other terms will be dropped on him.

Indeed, it seems any person of color who shows any kind of support for Trump has speedy excommunication to look forward to.

 

[TheCommissioner]

Circles as in your group of friends or the areas of the internet you go?

I'm honestly curious since I'm not home during the day and if this was seriously called out on entertainment shows/news outlets?

2 of the 3 independent media outlets I largely follow are black owned - TWiB and The Root and both called out Steve Harvey very much so, but neither had that high of an opinion of him anyway

he's sort of been persona non grata since 'Think Like A Man' anyway

 

[TheCommissioner]

Indeed, it seems any person of color who shows any kind of support for Trump has speedy excommunication to look forward to.

any reason they shouldn't?

someone made a point yesterday that maybe the new PEEOTUS should be meeting with black policy makers and not celebrities

 

[DeadPresident]

any reason they shouldn't?

someone made a point yesterday that maybe the new PEEOTUS should be meeting with black policy makers and not celebrities

Who gets to decide what a black person is or isn't allowed to do? What you've got is a group who want to have ownership over what does or doesn't constitute black identity and acceptable behavior; that's fascist. Who's this infallible council that dictates what is or isn't acceptable from a person of color, or do they all have identical lived experiences and must stay in line?

It's the same as when someone of one race tell someone in an inter-racial relationship "we don't do that": Says who?

 

[terry78]

Meeting with blacks aside from celebs gives Trump a little more credence.

 

[TheCommissioner]

Who gets to decide what a black person is or isn't allowed to do? What you've got is a group who want to have ownership over what does or doesn't constitute black identity and acceptable behavior; that's fascist. Who's this infallible council that dictates what is or isn't acceptable from a person of color, or do they all have identical lived experiences and must stay in line?

It's the same as when someone of one race tell someone in an inter-racial relationship "we don't do that": Says who?

we have meetings, FYI

 

[DeadPresident]

Meeting with blacks aside from celebs gives Trump a little more credence.

Trump will be critiqued irrespective of what he does, the Dems are so practiced at crying wolf of Trump says the earth orbits the sun they'll call him a liar.

I'm sure if he only met with unknown polticians the critique would be "nobody knows who they are, how can we recognize them!?".

 

[DeadPresident]

we have meetings, FYI

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