Discussion: Racism - Part 2

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BLM would be a thousand times more effective if they were called Justice For All and they fought for criminal justice reforms instead of just rallying against white police who shot black people.

Who made BLM the preeminent civil rights group of the 21 century anyway? :o

I agree.... it seems that many civil rights movements of today have become far more exclusive and calling upon the name of Martin Luther King, but not exactly following his template. I think more than anything it really makes the Optics of these groups very negative to the masses.
 
Good

sit your racist selves in prison

http://www.ajc.com/news/local/judge...uglasville-hate-crime/pHWEb5zXxdVqGBGxGNtorI/

Assistant District Attorney David Emadi detailed how the group had gone on a drunken, two-county rampage in pick-up trucked laden with Confederate battle flags through Paulding and Douglas counties over July 24 and July 25.

Emadi said the group threatened African-American motorists, yelled at them and walked up to one of their cars with a gun. They also threatened African American shoppers at a Paulding County Walmart and at a convenience store.

“Many good people in Paulding County saw you for what you are,” McClain said before he handed down the sentence. “Everywhere you went 911 call centers were flooded with calls.”

love that

once a closed minded s**t head, always a closed minded s**thead
 
All I have ever done was hand that card thing that comes in the mail saying I'm registered and what prescient to vote at. They look up my name in the book and I sign it. They give me a number and I go to the machine. Everyone I think gets a card so will know where to vote at. That card is all you need.

every state is different

states are changing laws, namely to disenfranchise certain districts and make it harder for people to vote or to get to polling places
 
Widow of Olathe shooting victim wants answers

Two days after her husband was shot to death in an Olathe bar, the widow of Srinivas Kuchibhotla on Friday publicly sought answers to what she perceived was a spread in American hate crimes.

“I have a question in my mind: Do we belong?” said Sunayana Dumala, who like her husband traveled from India to attend a U.S. college.

“We’ve read many times in newspapers of some kind of shooting happening,” she said at a news conference at the headquarters of Garmin, where Kuchibhotla worked as an aviation systems engineer. “And we always wondered, how safe?”

Of the two of them, she said, she was most concerned, asking her reassuring husband: “Are we doing the right thing of staying in the United States of America?”

Dumala is returning to India for Kuchibhotla’s funeral. She said she wanted to come back to their home in south Olathe, fulfilling her husband’s wishes for an American life and “me being successful in any field I choose.”

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article134841774.html#storylink=cpy
 
Would the media had cared if Zimmerman had killed some white kid? It goes both ways.

would zimmerman have gone free if he killed blonde haired blue eyed trevor martin who was only armed with junk food in his pockets??
 
would zimmerman have gone free if he killed blonde haired blue eyed trevor martin who was only armed with junk food in his pockets??

He'd probably be rotting in prison if he had killed an unarmed white kid.
 
He'd probably be rotting in prison if he had killed an unarmed white kid.

Frlorida has the death penalty. It's like that South Park episode.

"He's white!" "What?" *cut to court room* Guilty! *cut to Zimmerman on the electric chair*.
 
BLM would be a thousand times more effective if they were called Justice For All and they fought for criminal justice reforms instead of just rallying against white police who shot black people.

Who made BLM the preeminent civil rights group of the 21 century anyway? :o

the whole point of black lives matter is to highlight the history and practice of dismissive behavior and attitude towards black people in the justice system. Even tho zimmerman wasn't a cop, when he killed trayvon martin the DA declined to investigate what happened beyond the initial walkthrough. The outcry was for a through investigation of how a teen who went out to get junk food ended up dead. The way the initial investigation came off it seemed like the cops showed up..saw a black teen in a hoodie took zimmermans statement and assumed the kid got what he deserved, gave zimmerman his gun back and said sorry for the inconvenience.

BLM isn't a new thing its existence is the culmination of many decades of police beating, killing or harassing blacks and by and large never really being held accountable.
 
the whole point of black lives matter is to highlight the history and practice of dismissive behavior and attitude towards black people in the justice system. Even tho zimmerman wasn't a cop, when he killed trayvon martin the DA declined to investigate what happened beyond the initial walkthrough. The outcry was for a through investigation of how a teen who went out to get junk food ended up dead. The way the initial investigation came off it seemed like the cops showed up..saw a black teen in a hoodie took zimmermans statement and assumed the kid got what he deserved, gave zimmerman his gun back and said sorry for the inconvenience.

BLM isn't a new thing its existence is the culmination of many decades of police beating, killing or harassing blacks and by and large never really being held accountable.

Maybe BLM has the best of intentions but they couldn't pick a more divisive name.

They made it too easy to be dismissed by most people, black and white.

They can't do jack against Trump cause theyxll just help him with whites on the fence.

MLK knew he needed to ally with all races.

That"s true now more than ever.

BLM is so counter productive I wouldn't be surprised if a right wing think tank concocted them.
 
Corrrrrrrrrect. How many times have I said that in here? So has DeadPres.

I'm not saying racism doesn't hurt blacks. I'm saying most blacks aren't hurting and shouldn't be lectured as if they are irresponsible idiots.
 
Maybe BLM has the best of intentions but they couldn't pick a more divisive name.

They made it too easy to be dismissed by most people, black and white.

They can't do jack against Trump cause theyxll just help him with whites on the fence.

MLK knew he needed to ally with all races.

That"s true now more than ever.

BLM is so counter productive I wouldn't be surprised if a right wing think tank concocted them.

lets not have revisionist history... MLK was hated in his lifetime. He split the country down the middle. His detractors called him and the movement agitators, communists, race baiters and pretty much everything you hear about BLM today was said about the CRM. Remember he was murdered.

And BLM has allies of all races its not just black people marching.

here is a law professors response to student who took offence to his BLM tshirt

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Law Professor's Response to Black Lives Matter Shirt Complaint
A first year law school student wrote a complaint about her professor having worn a Black Lives Matter T-shirt during class. The professor’s response is priceless.

Scans of the original letters were uploaded to the internet as images here. I’ve transcribed them below.

To: REDACTED
From: Concerned Students

Dear REDACTED,

We write this letter to you with concern about your inappropriate conduct at REDACTED Law School.

Specifically, you have presented yourself on campus, on at least one occasion, wearing a “Black Lives Matter” t-shirt. We believe this is an inappropriate and unnecessary statement that has no legitimate place within our institution of higher learning. The statement you represented and endorsed is also highly offensive and extremely inflammatory. We are here to learn the law. We do not spend three years of our lives and tens of thousands of dollars to be subjected to indoctrination or personal opinions of our professors.

REDACTED Law School has prided itself on the diverse demographics represented within the student body. Your actions however, clearly represent your View that some of those demographics matter more than others. That alienates and isolates all non-black groups.

As someone who is charged to teach criminal law, it should be abundantly clear to you and beyond any question that ALL lives matter, as it is expressed unequivocally in the law. Furthermore, the “Black Lives Matter” statement is racist and anti-law enforcement and has been known to incite violence in this country. As someone who is paid to teach the law, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Your willingness to wear such an advertisement can only lead us to believe that you are completely ignorant of and uninformed about the social ramifications and implications surrounding the Black Lives Matter movement. People who support that message have robbed, rioted and burned innocent businesses and attacked law abiding peace officers who were charged with protecting ALL the demographics you've succeeded in isolating.

While we can appreciate your sacred right to the freedom of speech, we would strongly urge you to seriously reconsider your actions. You should exercise a little bit of respect and restraint. This is not a political science class or college. We are a law school. We have undertaken the very solemn duty to learn and respect the law. We do not need the mindless actions of our professors to distract and alienate us.

Just as our personal beliefs have no place in law exams, your personal beliefs have no place in the classroom.

REDACTED Law School is experiencing an unprecedented decline in bar passage rate. It is imperative that you utilize energy to actually teach law instead of continue to express hateful messages.

Unfortunately, we feel that we must deliver this message to you anonymously. It is clear that the opinions expressed within this letter are not welcome. If student body opinions go against the school or faculty we fear there will be retaliation. In fact, REDACTED Law School administration and faculty, including you, have shown no shame in displaying appalling levels of discrimination.

We are hopeful the new administration will rectify these abysmal failings and shortcomings. There is a lot of work to be done to rectify situations such as these.

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Professor REDACTED
Response to Concerned Students Memo


I am accepting the invitation in your memo, and the opportunity created by its content, to teach you. I would prefer to do it through a conversation, or especially through a series of conversations. Because I don’t know who you are. This isn’t possible. And there is an even more important reason for putting this in writing for the entire law school community. The larger issues that underlie your anger are timely, and they touch the entire law school community and transcend it.

This response to your memo is in two parts. Part I addresses the substantive and analytical lessons that can be learned from the memo. Part II addresses the lessons about writing that can be learned from the memo.


PART I

When your argument is based on a series of premises, you should be aware of them. You should also be aware that if any of these premises are factually flawed or illogical, or if the reader simply doesn’t accept them, your message will collapse from lack of support. Here is a short list of some of the premises in your memo, and my critique of them.


Premise: You have purchased, with your tuition dollars, the right to make demands upon the institution and the people in it and to dictate the content of your legal education.

Critique: I do not subscribe to the “consumer model” of legal education. As a consequence, I believe in your entitlement to assert your needs and desires even more strongly than you do. You would be just as entitled to express yourself to us if the law school were entirely tuition free This is because you are a student, not because you are a consumer. Besides, the natural and logical extension of your premise IS that students on a full scholarship are not entitled to assert their needs and desires to the same extent as other students (or maybe even at all). So, as you can see, arguments premised on consumerism are not likely to influence me. On the contrary, such a premise causes me to believe that you have a diminished view of legal education and the source of our responsibility as legal educators. This allows me to take any criticism from such a perspective less seriously than I otherwise would.


Premise: You are not paying for my opinion.

Critique: You are not paying me to pretend I don’t have one.


Premise: There is something called “Law” that is objective, fixed, and detached from and unaffected by the society in which it functions.

Critique: Law has no meaning or relevance outside of society. It both shapes and is shaped by the society in which it functions. Law is made by humans. It protects, controls, burdens, and liberates humans, non-human animals, nature, and inanimate physical objects. Like the humans who make it, Law is biased, noble, aspirational, short-sighted, flawed, messy, unclear, brilliant, and constantly changing. If you think that Law is merely a set of rules to be taught and learned, you are missing the beauty of Law and the point of law school.


Premise: You know more about legal education than I do.

Critique: You don't.


Premise: There is an invisible “only” in front of the words “Black Lives Matter.”

Critique: There is a difference between focus and exclusion. If something matters, this does not imply that nothing else does. If l say “Law Students Matter” it does not imply that my colleagues, friends, and family do not. Here is something else that matters: context. The Black Lives Matter movement arose in a context of evidence that they don’t. When people are receiving messages from the culture in which they live that their lives are less important than other lives, it is a cruel distortion of reality to scold them for not being inclusive enough.

As applied specifically to the context in which I wore my Black Lives Matter shirt, I did this on a day in Criminal Procedure when we were explicitly discussing violence against the black community by police.

There are some implicit words that precede “Black Lives Matter,” and they go something like this:

Because of the brutalizing and killing of black people at the hands of the police and the indifference of society in general and the criminal justice system in particular. It is important that we say that…

This is, of course, far too long to fit on a shirt.

Black Lives Matter is about focus, not exclusion. As a general matter, seeing the world and the people in it in mutually exclusive, either/or terms impedes your own thought processes. If you wish to bear that intellectual consequence of a constricting ideology, that’s your decision. But this does not entitle you to project your either/or ideology onto people who do not share it.


Premise: Saying “Black Lives Matter” is an expression of racist hatred of white people.

Critique: “Black Lives Matter” is not a statement about white people. It does not exclude white people. It does not accuse white people, unless you are a specific white person who perpetrates, endorses, or ignores violence against black people. If you are one of those people, then somebody had better be saying something to you. (I am using “you” here in the general sense as a substitute for “one,” and not as in “you memo writers.”)


Premise: History doesn’t matter. Therefore sequences of cause and effect can be ignored (or even inverted).

Critique: To assert that the Black Lives Matter movement is about violence against the police is to ignore (and invert) the causal reality that the movement arose as an effect of police violence. Yes, the movement is about violence, in that it is about the subject of violence, but it is not about violent retaliation against the violence that it is about. It is a tragic fact that rage as a consequence of racial injustice sometimes gets enacted as violence (although not nearly as often as we might expect. Given the longstanding causes of that rage). We can all lament the fact that violence begets violence. But we can’t even do that if we ignore the violence that has done, and is doing, the begetting.


Premise: What you think something means is the same as what it actually means.

Critique: We are all entitled to (and should make every effort to) discern meaning. There can be reasonable differences of opinion about what something means. Something can even carry a meaning that has a larger life of its own, regardless of the meaning ascribed to it by a particular person. For example, the flag of the Confederacy carries the meaning of white supremacy. Even if a particular person thinks it only means “tradition.” One person, or even a group of people, cannot take away the flag’s odious meaning just by declaring that it means something else. Similarly, ascribing a negative meaning where none exists does not bring that meaning into being.

Unless you speak for the Black Lives Matter movement you have no authority to say what those words mean to the people in it. You certainly have no authority to say (and apparently not even any knowledge of) what it means to me. Your interpretation of something and your reaction to it based on that interpretation are not the some as what something actually means. Things in the world have meanings that exist outside of you.

The point I am making here is different from the points above that address your misunderstanding of the movement and the three words that embody it. This is a point about aggrandizement, not accuracy.


Part II

Because a long time ago (in a law school far, faraway) I was a teacher of legal writing, and because I still care about it very much, I will make some points relevant to formal and persuasive writing.

When you are writing to someone who has a formal title (e.g., Doctor, Professor, Dean, Judge, Senator) you should address him or her using that title. To do otherwise appears either ignorant or disrespectful. Whether or not you actually have any respect for the person is completely irrelevant. I take that back. It might be more important to follow the formal writing conventions when you don't respect the individual person. Otherwise, you are risking trading the credibility of your entire message for the momentary satisfaction derived from communicating your disdain.

When you embed a statement in a dependent clause, you are signaling to the reader that it is of lesser importance (e.g. “While we can appreciate your sacred right o the freedom of speech, …”). If this was intentional, it undermines your message. If it was not intentional, it obscures it.

Frame the issue precisely and then focus on it. Don’t overgeneralize. You begin by stating that the issue is my “inappropriate conduct,” which sounds very general. Then you narrow the issue to “specifically” one event that occurred on a particular day last semester. Your use of hyperbolic rhetoric throughout the memo suggests that you really are angry about more than just a T-shirt. If it really is about just he T-shirt, then by overgeneralizing from a specific occurrence, your message is swamped by exaggeration. If it really is about other “conduct” on my part, I can’t tell what that is. By the end of the memo you have lost focus completely, generalizing (in statements that are unexplained and inexplicable) about bar passage and about the faculty and administration of the entire law school.

Be as clear as you can about everything, including the remedy you are seeking. You are not required to want anything specific, but I can’t tell whether you do or not. Perhaps you are demanding that I simply cease and desist from wearing a Black Lives Matter shirt. If that is it, the demand could have been stated clearly. Instead, it is mired in the generalities and the threatening and overblown rhetoric that I referred to above.

DO NOT YELL AT THE READER. The power of your message should come from carefully chosen words that have been thoughtfully assembled, not from the size of your fonts. Capitalizing words does not make them more powerful. It just makes you look angry.


In conclusion, I believe that every moment in life (and certainly in the life of law school) can be an occasion for teaching and learning. Thank you for creating an opportunity for me to put this deeply held belief into practice.

http://backspace.com/notes/2016/07/law-professors-response-to-black-lives-matter-shirt-complaint.php



I liked this part: PREMISE: There is an invisible "ONLY" in front of Black Lives Matter.

Those who have an issue with the movement see an invisible ONLY at the beginning of the statement and those who agree with the movement see an invisible TOO at the end of the statement.
 
The male redneck is named Jose Ismael Torres. Sure he might look white, but in the end his name is still Jose Ismael Torres.

Them good ole boys probably were waiting for him to take the fall to get rid of him because he was 'tainting' their white pool.

Now that's how you deal with racists.
 
Why is there an invisible TOO if that is their message? Why not call it BLMT? Were they afraid of being thought of as a sandwich?
 
Because BLM is ideologically a nationalist organization. If all the folks who like quoting murder statistics are so concerned about police brutality they'd surely make it Black and Hispanic Lives Matter, but they didn't. This is just one group looking out for their own, like every group tends to.
 
What's up with that viral video of the Walmart customer going off on a racist rant? Granted they were probably in good company, but still.
 
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