Discussion: Racism - Part 2

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I'm with him on the thesis of the article, but:

"it’s hard for me to differentiate among white actresses. Charlize Theron and Scarlett Johannson are the exact-same person to me. You’re telling me there are people who can tell the difference between Kate Winslet and Cate Blanchett? Amy Adams is every white woman I’ve stood behind in the checkout line at Target."

Yeah, suuuuuuure you can't tell those women apart. I totally believe that.
 
Not only is that article extremely racist, while hypocritically calling out racism, but the title is 'Becky of the year'...so I'll immediately disregard everything that follows as idiotic dribble.
 
Ironically, that kinda proves Emilia's sexism point...we blame a woman, 'Becky', for causing JayZ to cheat.

I'll end that by saying: Bye Felicia!

I can write articles!
 
What a terribly snide and yes, racist, article.
 
It's always slightly pathetic watching intersectionalists dismiss and devalue other minority identities in favor of their own.
 
It's always slightly pathetic watching intersectionalists dismiss and devalue other minority identities in favor of their own.
Intersectionalists? I think you're once again demonstrating a misunderstanding of the terms you're using. And this thread is again coopted by white tears. As if Becky is comparable to the long list of deragotory slurs for other minorities.
 
No, it isn't. But does that make it okay?
It's telling when people put energy into voicing their offense over "Becky" but not Philando Castile's murder, police carding, private prisons, or Indigenous land claims.
 
It's telling when people put energy into voicing their offense over "Becky" but not Philando Castile's murder, police carding, private prisons, or Indigenous land claims.

C'mon man the Becky name cuts way deeper than those things.

Institutional racism never hurt anybody.
 
Intersectionalists? I think you're once again demonstrating a misunderstanding of the terms you're using. And this thread is again coopted by white tears. As if Becky is comparable to the long list of deragotory slurs for other minorities.

Nah, I studied intersectionality, I'm perfectly aware of what the term means.

I don't really care about whether or not something like this is offensive, I'm not a white woman so the term and the race-baiter's article don't affect or bother me, my question is always "Is it useful?" when I'm critiquing something, and other than serving to be some kind of attempt at edgy racial discourse analysis, the article, and most cases of very obvious race-baiting, don't serve a meaningful function nor do they assist people of color with legitimate grievances. In fact, none of these edgy outfits, that read some Fanon and angry critical race theory 101 textbooks, are actually contributing much beyond empty hysterical bluster more likely to achieve the opposite of what they claim to desire.

That man, sitting in an ivory tower writing for some tin-pot critical discourse analysis impersonating publication, isn't ever going to affect meaningful change for black America, what he's doing is just the ideological version of *********ion.
 
It's telling when people put energy into voicing their offense over "Becky" but not Philando Castile's murder, police carding, private prisons, or Indigenous land claims.

That's not what I asked though, and I am asking genuinely. I've not commented on those topics because I have nothing meaningful to add; of course they're awful. But there's an idea brought up by this article that I have questions about, and I'm asking them now in good faith, but I feel like you would rather make insinuations about my character.
 
You're not supposed to ask genuine questions, movie, you're supposed to be a good little white ally and use your position of inherent privilege to passively further the objectives of minority movements - if you exhibit any agency or personal experience of your own that's just interfering with your ability to transfer your privilege to those who weren't as lucky to be born with your identities, which in turn means you're actively harming them and you'll be identity-shamed until you comply.

Just in case it's not clear, though, I'm being facetious.
 
Intersectionalists? I think you're once again demonstrating a misunderstanding of the terms you're using. And this thread is again coopted by white tears. As if Becky is comparable to the long list of deragotory slurs for other minorities.
Here, let me propose a parallel to his point:

Racists calling out racism. Divisive *******s calling out divisive *******s. You know what's easier than taking responsibility for your actions and your loved ones actions? Blaming Becky with the good hair...
 
I don't really care about whether or not something like this is offensive, I'm not a white woman so the term and the race-baiter's article don't affect or bother me, my question is always "Is it useful?"

You're not supposed to ask genuine questions, movie, you're supposed to be a good little white ally and use your position of inherent privilege to passively further the objectives of minority movements - if you exhibit any agency or personal experience of your own that's just interfering with your ability to transfer your privilege to those who weren't as lucky to be born with your identities, which in turn means you're actively harming them and you'll be identity-shamed until you comply.
Are your posts useful? hmm.

And where are you sitting? Why do you spend so much time and energy warping discourse on racism to centre white people and undermine efforts toward reparative justice? You could just use that time to read up on the terms you improperly throw out.

Here, let me propose a parallel to his point:

Racists calling out racism. Divisive *******s calling out divisive *******s. You know what's easier than taking responsibility for your actions and your loved ones actions? Blaming Becky with the good hair...
Are you ok? Lots of projection in this thread.
 
Was this useful? hmm.

Are your posts useful? Why do you spend so much time and energy warping discourse on racism to centre white people and undermine efforts toward reparative justice? You could just use that time to read up on the terms you improperly throw out.

The passive-aggressive identitarian calling me out about not making useful posts when your contributions amount to a race-to-the-bottom dynamic related to who can collect the most historically discriminated against identities to use as social capital? Come on, let's get real here. I'm not trying to center anything around white people - try harder with your straw man arguments. I know the terms perfectly, perhaps you do, too, so let's stop ***ing around.

Intersectionality is supposed to be about a constructive study about the idiosyncrasies created by different social structures such as race, class, and gender in lived experiences. Theoretically it sounds nice and constructive. As someone who had to read through a metric ****ton of intersectional academics' work and Queer Theorists articles I can categorically attest to the fact that while it's a field with an admirable theoretical goal, in practice it turns out being the exact opposite.

What it really ends up being from an academic perspective is the following:

Male minority-race heterosexual academic: Racism has affected my life negatively, we should do the following to fix structural racist discourse.

Male minority-race non-heteronormative academic: How dare you think your experience is bad, you're heterosexual! This is what we should do to fix structural racism and heteronormativity.

Female minority-race non-heteronormative academic: How dare you think your experience is bad, you're male! This is what we should do to fix gender-skewed, racist, heteronormative interactions.

Disabled female minority-race non-heteronormative academic: How dare you think your experience is bad, you're fully able-bodied and able-minded! This is what we should do to fix ableist, gender-skewed, racist, heteronormative interactions.

Transgender disabled minority-race non-heteronormative academic: How dare you think that your experience is bad, you're cis-gendered! This is what we should do to fix cis-gender biased, ableist, gender-skewed, racist, heteronormative interactions.

And so we go on. Intersectionality, and a lot of misguided (although well-intentioned) social reparation ideologies, are unfortunately underpinned by the notion that a person's identities disqualify them from having legitimate personal experiences - which naturally will one day only lead to hyper-segregated and niche social categories that people will fit into. From what I've picked up in previous discussions you're non-white and non-heterosexual, and because you subscribe at least tangentially to the intersectionality perspective you believe your opinion is law in this thread because your identities trump everyone else's. As someone who's actually interested in achieving the objectives of equal opportunity and harmony within a society, please make a plausible academic argument for how evaluating people solely on their identities could possibly foster a cohesive and functional society - assuming that's what you want.
 
Here, let me propose a parallel to his point:

Racists calling out racism. Divisive *******s calling out divisive *******s. You know what's easier than taking responsibility for your actions and your loved ones actions? Blaming Becky with the good hair...

But the phrase "Becky with the good hair" scrutinizes black men.

The term Becky is rather toothless when used "against" white women.

Let's look at what "Becky with the good hair" means. Becky describes a random white woman. "With the good hair" touches on self-hatred within the black community. So the phrase is an introspective indictment of how blacks treat each other and view themselves Beyonce isn't blaming white women when she coined the phrase.
 
I don't fault people for wanting to value their cultural or ethnic identity while not assimilating completely.

Let's say there was a Chinatown with a tight knitted community of Chinese people in Japan.

Should they be forced to assimilate completely to gain equal opportunity and equal protection under the law?

How should they respond to anti-Chinese and anti-diversity sentiment in a productive way? And how much assimilation should be required?
 
I don't fault people for wanting to value their cultural or ethnic identity while not assimilating completely.

Let's say there was a Chinatown with a tight knitted community of Chinese people in Japan.

Should they be forced to assimilate completely to gain equal opportunity and equal protection under the law?

How should they respond to anti-Chinese and anti-diversity sentiment in a productive way? And how much assimilation should be required?

It's a tough question. I'm all for valuing your own cultural identity, but I also take a lot of fault with internalized misogyny in certain cultures.
 
Are your posts useful? hmm.

And where are you sitting? Why do you spend so much time and energy warping discourse on racism to centre white people and undermine efforts toward reparative justice? You could just use that time to read up on the terms you improperly throw out.


Are you ok? Lots of projection in this thread.

That's what I don't get. They go out of their way sooooo much to say racism doesn't exist or isn't as bad as minorities think and come off racist........but yet in their heads they are not and they actually believe it. You are right! They put so much time and effort into debating whether minorities have a case that you can probably read some of their posts at a Klan meeting you'd get a standing ovation.
 
That's what I don't get. They go out of their way sooooo much to say racism doesn't exist or isn't as bad as minorities think and come off racist........but yet in their heads they are not and they actually believe it. You are right! They put so much time and effort into debating whether minorities have a case that you can probably read some of their posts at a Klan meeting you'd get a standing ovation.
I'm not sure who you're directing that at, but it shouldn't surprise that someone might take offense at having their posts likened to a literal KKK member.
 
You're not supposed to ask genuine questions, movie, you're supposed to be a good little white ally and use your position of inherent privilege to passively further the objectives of minority movements - if you exhibit any agency or personal experience of your own that's just interfering with your ability to transfer your privilege to those who weren't as lucky to be born with your identities, which in turn means you're actively harming them and you'll be identity-shamed until you comply.

Just in case it's not clear, though, I'm being facetious.
I agree with you a lot, but sometimes you're too aggressive for your own good, in a way that I don't think has a real end goal in mind. As long as we keep these discussions about each other's character instead of just the ideas, the more circles we go in. I kinda regret my initial comment, not for the underlying idea so much, but for how snarky it is. I try and avoid that.
 
I'm not sure who you're directing that at, but it shouldn't surprise that someone might take offense at having their posts likened to a literal KKK member.

Not really directing it at anyone directly but I have seen people "who aren't racist" but seem to always post things that seem that way.
 
And this thread is again coopted by white tears.

To use DeadPresident's approach, how is it helpful to just say "white this" and "white that"? It only distances white people to the point where you just end up preaching to the choir. Why would I cooperate with someone who seemingly has a distaste for white people?
 
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