Discussion: Racism - Part 3

[chaseter]

No it doesn't and to even say such a thing is silly. If racism affected everyone we wouldn't see in countless studies and mountains of data that points to racial inequalities that negatively impacts POC.

Yes it does. Racism isn't an exclusively white thing.

Racial inequalities do not all stem from racism. That's a shirking of personal responsibility and an easy out to blame everyone else. There was a time when you would be correct. Institutional racism is over. It's the law now and has been for half a century.

 

[TheCardPlayer]

Cops are coming with felonies, for the people who toppled the statue. Strangely enough, I hear nothing being done about the black man that was photographied being beaten by 5 White Nationalists.

 

[chaseter]

Did you just compare voting for Obama because he is black and voting for Trump because he showed a disdain for non-white people? Really?

You know what isn't part of the solution? Voting a clear racist into office.


chaseter, if I am remember correctly, says he isn't a Trump support. How he post contradicts that rather completely imo.

Voting based on race is racist. I don't care if the person on the ballot is a nice person or a vile person. Voting solely for the color of their skin is the literal definition of racism. I'm not comparing the ideals of the candidates, there is no comparison. The assertion that everyone who voted for Trump is as racist as he is, is the reason Hillary lost and seems to not have been figured out yet by all the leftists. We are in the age of Identity Politics. Marginalizing everyone that does not agree 100% has created these two extreme parties. No one is working on a common goal. Each side is working on their own Party's goals that cater to a minority group of hardcore voters. Why do you think almost 50% of people don't vote?

I did not vote for Trump, or Hillary. The American political system is in ruins and no one seems to want to change it. So, I'll not participate.

 

[redhawk23]

Yes it does. Racism isn't an exclusively white thing.

Racial inequalities do not all stem from racism. That's a shirking of personal responsibility and an easy out to blame everyone else. There was a time when you would be correct. Institutional racism is over. It's the law now and has been for half a century.

Man what in the sweet hell are you smoking? What Star Trek future are you from?

Like really?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Voting based on race is racist. I don't care if the person on the ballot is a nice person or a vile person. Voting solely for the color of their skin is the literal definition of racism. I'm not comparing the ideals of the candidates, there is no comparison. The assertion that everyone who voted for Trump is as racist as he is, is the reason Hillary lost and seems to not have been figured out yet by all the leftists. We are in the age of Identity Politics. Marginalizing everyone that does not agree 100% has created these two extreme parties. No one is working on a common goal. Each side is working on their own Party's goals that cater to a minority group of hardcore voters. Why do you think almost 50% of people don't vote?

I did not vote for Trump, or Hillary. The American political system is in ruins and no one seems to want to change it. So, I'll not participate.

This is not an assertion. Everyone who voted for Trump decided a racist liar who ran on the Republican ticket, was better then a liar who ran as a Democrat.

You can keep saying it until you are red in the face. They decided that being a racist does not disqualify one from being the President of the United States of America. Being a traitor no longer disqualifies one from being the President of the United States of America.

There is no middle ground on racism. There is no agreeing or disagreeing on that. If one is on the "disagree" bit, they are a racist. If one is willing to look past racism, they are willingly supporting a racist. They are not helping a thing.

 

[TheCardPlayer]

The whole "both sides are the same" schtick doesn't fly with me. One side isn't marching in the streets, with swastika flags.

 

[DeadPresident]

The truth of the matter is one side is demonstrably worse and far more dangerous, while sections of the other side are simply being unhelpful in furthering their claimed benevolent objectives.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

How is one helping the problem by drawing a false equivalence between racist and well those that oppose them? Look at how the racist took Trump's address the other day. A stamp of approval. Proving them right, saying they have ground to stand on.

How can anyone make the, "many sides" argument knowing that is the result?

 

[chaseter]

The whole "both sides are the same" schtick doesn't fly with me. One side isn't marching in the streets, with swastika flags.

That group marching with Nazi flags doesn't represent everyone else aligned with any party.

I would assume you would then agree, with that line of thinking, that all Democrats hate cops and support their execution based on Dallas? No. Don't be daft.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That group marching with Nazi flags doesn't represent everyone else aligned with any party.

I would assume you would then agree, with that line of thinking, that all Democrats hate cops and support their execution based on Dallas? No. Don't be daft.

Again with the false equivalence. Do the Democratic Leaders support that? Do they make speeches doing it? Trump does and his voters support him. Why are you ignoring that? Why?

 

[DJ Kornphlake]

How is one helping the problem by drawing a false equivalence between racist and well those that oppose them? Look at how the racist took Trump's address the other day. A stamp of approval. Proving them right, saying they have ground to stand on.

How can anyone make the, "many sides" argument knowing that is the result?

David Duke is praising Trump's speech from today as well.

 

[Mad Ones]

The whole "both sides are the same" schtick doesn't fly with me. One side isn't marching in the streets, with swastika flags.

Chaseter and others have been trying to twist this thread into "a many sides" argument for ages.

This was posted in the Trump thread but it's a pretty good demonstration of how the "many sides" false equivalency lends itself to white-supremacy.

 

[TheCardPlayer]

That group marching with Nazi flags doesn't represent everyone else aligned with any party.

I would assume you would then agree, with that line of thinking, that all Democrats hate cops and support their execution based on Dallas? No. Don't be daft.

False equivalency. The President of the United States, the leader of the Republican Party referred to Neo-Nazis as "us" in a press conference today. Republican silence on the rampant racism, misogyny and homophobia that runs in the party's veins, says a lot more about their constituents than I think they realize. The fact that they vote over and over against their own interests, for the removal of their health care, for the destruction of global warming prevention, against the rights of women...No, both parties are NOT the same.

And I have not seen anyone on the Left praising Micah Johnson or supporting him.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

David Duke is praising Trump's speech from today as well.

I think I need to put on the news.

 

[TheCardPlayer]

David Duke is praising Trump's speech from today as well.

Richard B. Spencer too.

 

[Greens]

Republican silence on the rampant racism, misogyny and homophobia that runs in the party's veins, says a lot more about their constituents than I think they realize. The fact that they vote over and over against their own interests, for the removal of their health care, for the destruction of global warming prevention, against the rights of women...No, both parties are NOT the same.

Agreed. If you're a Republican and you're not embarrassed about your party and/or the President right now, I don't know what to tell you except that you should take a long hard look at yourself.

 

[chaseter]

Again with the false equivalence. Do the Democratic Leaders support that? Do they make speeches doing it? Trump does and his voters support him. Why are you ignoring that? Why?

Republican leaders don't publicly support the Nazis and the KKK.

A false equivalency is saying all Republicans are racist be it through silence or inaction based on the actions and words of a few.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Republican leaders don't publicly support the Nazis and the KKK.

A false equivalency is saying all Republicans are racist be it through silence or inaction based on the actions and words of a few.

The Republican Leader does. He just did it again.

 

[chaseter]

Chaseter and others have been trying to twist this thread into "a many sides" argument for ages.

Racism is a many sides argument that can come from any person and has an affect on anyone and everyone.

Your "side" is that it's only all white people's fault.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Racism is a many sides argument that can come from any person and has an affect on anyone and everyone.

Your "side" is that it's only all white people's fault.

Are you suggesting the history of racism in America isn't based in white people and their treatment of minorities? One proudly defended this weekend by the the Republican who is the President?

 

[Docker2.0]

Chaseter and others have been trying to twist this thread into "a many sides" argument for ages.

This was posted in the Trump thread but it's a pretty good demonstration of how the "many sides" false equivalency lends itself to white-supremacy.

Agreed! Now that this protest in VA has hit the fan, he still doesn't want to admit that maybe this "white pride" movement has racist tones to it. The BLM, one that I don't 100% get behind but I do see why they exist: police have been shooting some blacks with the ole "I feared for my life" excuse..........even when on tape. I try my darndest to try and see the "save our white roots" movement that is going on. Because that same movement was saying "we are taking our country back" and will "make it great again".....but who are they taking it from? Just happen to have a black President at the time who seemed to support dreamers and all.

 

[Sithborg]

Republican leaders don't publicly support the Nazis and the KKK.

A false equivalency is saying all Republicans are racist be it through silence or inaction based on the actions and words of a few.

The goddamned orange President just did. Barely an hour ago. But sure, let's go with #notallnazis

The GOP and their supporters are now complicit in supporting an open racist.

 

[Mad Ones]

Racism is a many sides argument that can come from any person and has an affect on anyone and everyone.

Your "side" is that it's only all white people's fault.

Nope. Anti-black racism exists all over the world, for example. But this "anti white hate" that you and Trump think makes up a "side" is just something found at white supremacist rallies with no basis in reality.

 

[Sithborg]

Oh, I'm sure anti-white racism exists. The problem is, the impact of such racism isn't an issue if you don't have power.

 

[Mad Ones]

Oh, I'm sure anti-white racism exists. The problem is, the impact of such racism isn't an issue if you don't have power.

Ya I meant it doesnt exist as a collective movement or a legitimate side. "Power" is an important part of defining racism