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Discussion: Reverend Wright And The Fallout

He was adamant about sharing his faith because...ding ding ding...there's been a smear campaign based on his name. And Wright has not been on the trail with him. Obama actually dis-invited him from his announcement in early 2007 that he was running for President.

My mistake. He hasn't been on the trail. But he's served as a paid adviser for the campaign, so his influence was still prevalent.

Obama didn't have to use his pastor to promote his Christian faith... I'm sure there are many other UCC ministers who would have been willing to consult his campaign...
 
My mistake. He hasn't been on the trail. But he's served as a paid adviser for the campaign, so his influence was still prevalent.

Not necessarily a paid adviser. We don't know whether he was paid or not, but I doubt he was. He was on a committee in the campaign and a spiritual, not political, adviser to Obama. There's a slight difference between paid and unpaid, but he shouldn't have been associated with the campaign at all.
 
The United States WAS built on institutionalized racism, but where did Wright say that the white man "ONLY" serves to bring the black man down?

He said that the white man serves to bring the black man down... and when that's the foundation of one of your sermons, and there was no praise for those white politicians or figures who have stood up and aided African Americans in this country, it's hard to view it as anything other than hatespeech.


Where did he say it was justified? He said it was a case of the "chickens coming home to roost" i.e. what goes around comes around.

He didn't say it was justified, just like Nagasaki and Hiroshima wasn't justified.

The "what goes around, comes around" logic revolves around the idea that "the harm which comes to you is justified based on the harm you've done to me." Trust me... my mother used to thrive on that logic... saying "what goes around, comes around" implies that one side deserves payback... which, when used the way Rev. Wright used it, is completely un-American and disgraceful.

Even if Wright didn't say that the A-Bomb justified the deaths suffered on 9/11, he implied it and refused to comment otherwise.

And he compared the struggles between Obama and Hillary and said that Obama had to face more tribulation on the basis of his race, which is true, even now.

I think you're wrong here. He mocked Hillary's struggles as a woman, saying things like "Hillary ain't ever been called a [n-word]" as if to say Obama has indeed suffered more than she had in life. Regardless of who suffered more, we shouldn't be voting for someone because they had to deal with more trials and tribulations in life... though Obama and Hillary come from the same financial class, had some of the same problems with being taken seriously, etc... it was obvious Wright said what he said to divide, not to unite.


Once these statements were brought to his attention, he took action. He's not been saying them every Sunday. Hell, the most controversial statements could've been once every five years or once every 10 years.

It doesn't matter. He still said them. Michael Richards only said what he said once... and his lifestyle and psyche are doomed to being ripped apart and psychoanalyzed for the rest of his life. Jeremiah Wright has said deeply offensive things, while serving as the adviser of a chief presidential candidate. Wright aimed to rile up one demographic while demonizing another... so his comments deserve special attention.

Yes, Obama threw the man off his campaign staff... but he shouldn't have hired him in the first place. Wright has been making controversial statements all the time... ones which received media attention in Chicago, apparently... so he should have known the controversy which would follow his campaign. Again, Obama exercised poor judgment, and only removed Wright from his campaign once his comments became scrutinized on a national level...



Again, that's not Obama, that's Wright. Wright has the right to believe what he believes. Obama has denounced and rejected Wright's inflammatory statements. That's the end of that.

Right. Wright has a right to believe what he wants to believe. But Obama has a responsibility to ensure that he runs a clean, professional campaign, void of any whack-jobs or crazies who will draw considerable controversy. That's why he disassociated himself with Louis Farrakhan early on in his campaign. But he didn't do the same with Wright, knowing well enough what kind of things Wright would say. Obama has denounced Wright's statements and fired him... but he shouldn't have hired him in the first place. Not to mention, those statements are pretty cutting and will make a lot of his right-wing support do a double-take on who exactly it is they want to support...
 
No, it's not completely un-American to point out that America's foreign policy bit it in the ass with 9/11. Our policy around the world has been pretty hypocritical to say the least, particularly in the Middle East. They don't just hate us for our freedom like Bush claims. I have a bigger problem with his "U-S of KKK-A" comment or the mean crap towards Hillary. And as a Christian, the most offensive thing to me was comparing Jesus with Obama and trying to claim that Jesus was black. He was Israeli, not black. Comparing Obama to Jesus in the first place (Jesus having to deal with the "rich white Romans" and Obama having to deal with the "rich white Americans"), regardless of the race thing, was idiotic.
 
No, it's not completely un-American to point out that America's foreign policy bit it in the ass with 9/11. Our policy around the world has been pretty hypocritical to say the least, particularly in the Middle East.

He wasn't referring to the Middle East in his statement, or the results of U.S. foreign policy since 9/11... he said that our policies in Europe and Asia justified the attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon. Our policies around the world have been hypocritical, yes, but to imply or state directly that the U.S deserved it and that the attacks were justified is very un-American, as far as I and millions of voters are concerned.
 
It's not un-American, it's inhumane. It's not a patriotism issue, it's a innocent human issue.
 
It's not un-American, it's inhumane. It's not a patriotism issue, it's a innocent human issue.

It is an issue of patriotism, to imply that the country which you live in deserves to be attacked by outside forces for something which the bulk of its residents had no control over. You can question your country all you want; but to state that thousands of innocent civilians deserved to die is unpatriotic.
 
Once these statements were brought to his attention, he took action. He's not been saying them every Sunday. Hell, the most controversial statements could've been once every five years or once every 10 years.



Again, that's not Obama, that's Wright. Wright has the right to believe what he believes. Obama has denounced and rejected Wright's inflammatory statements. That's the end of that.

No, that's not the end of that. Are you really so naive as to actually think Barack knew nothing of these comments until recently? Give me a break. Obama and Wright have been good close personal friends for a long time. You do not attend a church for 20 years, be married by this person, have this person baptize your children, and NOT know what his views are. Even given the benefit of the doubt that Obama was not at these particular sermons, church communities are close and word travels.
 
It is an issue of patriotism, to imply that the country which you live in deserves to be attacked by outside forces for something which the bulk of its residents had no control over. You can question your country all you want; but to state that thousands of innocent civilians deserved to die is unpatriotic.

Again, I think being unpatriotic is nothing compared to being inhumane. His comments were inhumane. Unpatriotic is a ****ing political ploy constantly used by the Republicans to scare people from speaking out on issues, so I refuse to use the word.
 
Again, I think being unpatriotic is nothing compared to being inhumane. His comments were inhumane. Unpatriotic is a ****ing political ploy constantly used by the Republicans to scare people from speaking out on issues, so I refuse to use the word.

Okay... but there are some of us who deeply love our country, for all its stupid flaws, who feel that it goes against the very foundation of this country to applaud the deaths of thousands of citizens because of policies which it had no control over... it goes against what we believe in... hence, it is un-patriotic.
 
I deeply love this country too, but I feel being inhumane is a bigger problem in his comments than being unpatriotic. To suggest that it's OK that all those innocent people died is morally wrong, which goes far beyond being unpatriotic.
 
If you do not like what the pastor says, or what the church represents, you leave the church.

It would be interesting to see, what Bush's Pastor or even McCain's Pastor are saying in terms of gay marriage abortion and stuff like that. I bet a fiver that it is just as abhorent as the stuff Obama's Pastor has said.
 
It would be interesting to see, what Bush's Pastor or even McCain's Pastor are saying in terms of gay marriage abortion and stuff like that. I bet a fiver that it is just as abhorent as the stuff Obama's Pastor has said.

Except, the funny thing is, everyone agrees that what Obama's pastor said was nothing but hatespeech... whereas politics divides what everyone would think about gay marriage and what have you...
 
Except, the funny thing is, everyone agrees that what Obama's pastor said was nothing but hatespeech... whereas politics divides what everyone would think about gay marriage and what have you...

Like I said, stupdid views by stupid people, no matter if from the left or right. To me it's a non-issue, it's the way politics work, as sad as it is.
 
Like I said, stupdid views by stupid people, no matter if from the left or right. To me it's a non-issue, it's the way politics work, as sad as it is.

No, it's not a non-issue. The Republican 527's will simply take 30 seconds of stuff from Mr. Wright and use it against Obama in TV ads. And in the immediate future, it guarantees a strong victory for Hillary in Pennsylvania.
 
And then the Dem's will show pictures of coffins with american flags on them and they will cancel out.


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And then the Dem's will show pictures of coffins with american flags on them and they will cancel out.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

Hardly... the Republicans would just use it to call us even more unpatriotic... plus we hate to make bold statements...
 
Like I said, stupdid views by stupid people, no matter if from the left or right. To me it's a non-issue, it's the way politics work, as sad as it is.

Except that Obama is suppose to be above politics... so to everyone who knows he's lying when he thinks he's above politics, this is quite the important counter argument...
 
No, it's not a non-issue. The Republican 527's will simply take 30 seconds of stuff from Mr. Wright and use it against Obama in TV ads. And in the immediate future, it guarantees a strong victory for Hillary in Pennsylvania.

Oh the Repubs possess as much attack potential as the Dems, don't worry. ^^
 
If the GOP wins, this will happen to McCain while in office...


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If Hillary as able to ride Wright to the nomination - her *****ing about experience is going to make her look incredibly silly.
 
That man isn't black. Looks to be of South Asian (which includes India and Pakistan) or Middle Eastern ethnicity. He certainly shares being old with McCain. :woot:
 

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