🇺🇸 Discussion: The DEMOCRATIC P - Part 3

[MaceB]

Elizabeth Warren is definitely killing it.

Bernie has the money and voting base to go all the way. He's gonna be one of the ones at the very end.... based on just money alone.

Regardless of all this talk of a crowded field, Kamala Harris is staying in the top tier... which basically consists of Biden, Sanders, Harris, Warren, and Buttigeg.

Buttigeg had a nice open, but I think he's destined for a pretty quick downfall personally. I think Americans like him, but they don't want to roll the dice on a Mayor right now.

I think Harris is great VP candidate material. I think that she'll go far, but ultimately.. voters will be unsure about her, with her law enforcement past.

It's gonna be either Bernie, Harris, Warren or Biden. Biden is the shark at this moment. We'll see how he stands to all the attacks... which yeah he deserves, and we'd be negligent not to bring them up. There was that recent poll that came out that said most Democrats would rather elect someone who can win over someone who is consistent with their policies.... I found that surprising. So it's hard to say. Usually, I'd say Biden is doomed... he's gonna get McCained or Jeb'd were he'll be the frontrunner, but he'll bleed and bleed supporters, until he's overtaken. But I think a lot of Americans really want to beat Trump... so it's possibly they might just go for the frontrunner this time. We'll see.

 

[DeadPresident]

To be honest the Democrats are spoiled for choice with electable candidates, they’ve got at least three individuals who would be stratospheric improvements on Clinton, let alone the psychosis currently inhabiting the WH.

I haven’t been through all that many election cycles but it honestly feels like the Democrats have a fantastic chance if they don’t botch it themselves. A unified party backing any one of Warren, Sanders, or Harris/Buttigieg seem like they’d present a formidable challenge to any Republican nominee.

For my 2 cents, the road to victory for them lies in selecting the candidate whose policies are the most appealing to fence sitters or ex Trumpies with voter’s remorse, and in my mind that’s Warren (or Yang it his UBI doesn’t end up being fantasy).

 

[Boy Scout]

I don’t think that’s surprising. The goal right now is to get Trump out of office. Everything else can come after.

 

[DeadPresident]

Fair enough, but “Trump out at any costs” isn’t actually a strategy. That’s just asking for a bunch of people to be pulling in different directions.

The easiest way to get Trump out is for a single candidate to make a solid case at being way more electable than Trump, that requires the Democrats to identify that person and to lend them all the inherent party support Hillary got both before and after she became their nominee.

Appeal to the average voter’s pocket, be engaging, have clearly identifiable policies, stay away from the mud-slinging and identity politics traps - pretty simple strategy.

 

[Boy Scout]

Fair enough, but “Trump out at any costs” isn’t actually a strategy.

I know. I wasn’t saying it was. I was too lazy to quote him, but I was responding to MB, who said that he thought it was surprising that most Democrats are apparently more enticed by someone who can beat Trump over someone who’s been consistent about their policies.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Biden is not good at just saying “I’m sorry” without monologuing for ten minutes trying to explain it away.

Biden never apologizes for his actions. He only apologizes for the situation or how the other person feels. Not what he himself has done to cause anything. It reminds me of Bill Clinton the last time he came out and was asked about Lewinsky and if he apologized properly to her.

It shows they haven't learned a thing and will only apologize if they can avoid taking any responsibility.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Buzzfeed News - Conservatives Are Freaking Out Over An LGBT Bill That Passed The House
The bill would ban anti-LGBT discrimination.

 

[Iceman]

Is this new or known?

Billionaire Tom Steyer enters presidential race

 

[Schlosser85]

New.

 

[Sithborg]

Posted in the mainly primary thread.

 

[jolldan]

The fact that neither AOC or Ilhan wouldn't just condemn the ICE attack is unsettling.

 

[Schlosser85]

At what point is attacking de facto concentration camps holding children without soap a moral act?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

At what point is attacking de facto concentration camps holding children without soap a moral act?

There is so much about these concentration camps that are unsettling. The more we learn, the more that it sounds like torture. And somehow even worse, a lot those running the places don't sound like good people. Some legit sound like monsters, who laugh at the deaths of children. If this was another country, how would we react to it?

 

[Schlosser85]

We’d declare them human rights abusers and impose sanctions.

Except Trump likes human rights abusing dictators and publicly ******es them before the eyes of the world.

 

[Sithborg]

It's the old "punch the nazi in the face" conundrum. You probably shouldn't do it, and definitely face the consequences. But goddamn, do I have issue working up to condemning it.

 

[jolldan]

It's the old "punch the nazi in the face" conundrum. You probably shouldn't do it, and definitely face the consequences. But goddamn, do I have issue working up to condemning it.

Honesty I don't understand when this ever became a conundrum. We can't just attack people we don't agree with and the term "Nazi" has now become so diluted and devalued that it meaning you have a difference of opinion can warrant being called a Nazi now.

Its a very dangerous road to do down when people start okaying violence as long as they've decided that the person is on the receiving end has warranted it.

 

[moviedoors]

Honesty I don't understand when this ever became a conundrum. We can't just attack people we don't agree with and the term "Nazi" has now become so diluted and devalued that it meaning you have a difference of opinion can warrant being called a Nazi now.

Its a very dangerous road to do down when people start okaying violence as long as they've decided that the person is on the receiving end has warranted it.

Yeah, but Richard Spencer is totally a Nazi.

 

[jolldan]

Yeah, but Richard Spencer is totally a Nazi.

I don't personally know who this specific guy is you're talking about but I wouldn't condone any violent acts against him either. We don't get to decide yeah this is ok to assault him because he is offensive and vile enough.

Different kettle of fish if people are physically threatening to hurt you and you have to defend yourself. But as much as it might be hard, attacking one of these guys is only gonna likely galavanize their support.

Think if this guy has been basically spouting "The (insert minority) are the problem and they are the cause of all the violence and what's wrong with this country" drivel that you hear from a lot of them, now if you leave him you just have some nutter shouting about a specific race/group. Bu this guy gets in a few videos of himself being assaulted by that race/group suddenly instead of maybe 5% of bone heads listening to him he gets 10% because they can now use this to spin their own narrative.

Or even worse someone is going to get shot.

 

[Donner]

North American culture has been using the word Nazi for jokes and humor for decades. Family Guy had made numerous episodes making fun of them and now people are all offended when the word is thrown around "too casually" for their liking? Please. How else would you describe people who promote hate and violence towards minorities? Not all card carrying members of the Nazi party were violent themselves, but they sure supported it. My great great Uncle Fritz wrote speeches for Hitler. He never harmed anyone, but you can be sure he turned a blind eye to the suffering of others and parroted ideas that called for certain groups to be less than others. He was definitely a ****ing Nazi. I have no problem with people calling aholes Nazis. If they share the same ideals then yeah, you get the label. Too effing bad.

 

[jolldan]

North American culture has been using the word Nazi for jokes and humor for decades. Family Guy had made numerous episodes making fun of them and now people are all offended when the word is thrown around "too casually" for their liking? Please. How else would you describe people who promote hate and violence towards minorities? Not all card carrying members of the Nazi party were violent themselves, but they sure supported it. My great great Uncle Fritz wrote speeches for Hitler. He never harmed anyone, but you can be sure he turned a blind eye to the suffering of others and parroted ideas that called for certain groups to be less than others. He was definitely a ****ing Nazi. I have no problem with people calling aholes Nazis. If they share the same ideals then yeah, you get the label. Too effing bad.

You can call people whatever you want im not trying to stop you or even once said it offends me, what I am saying is that when people nowadays call someone a Nazi or try and proliferate the idea they are one they often just hold a different viewpoint than those accusing them of it now.

Because of that when you hear someone say "He's a Nazi" or something to that effect it doesn't have the same weight that it did at least in my mind that it did even 5 or 6 years ago.

 

[Marvolo]

People arent being called Nazis simply because they have a different viewpoints or beliefs. They are being called Nazis because they're acting like ****ing Nazi's that think "the lesser races" should be under the boot of white society or to a lesser extent they have a total apathy for the suffering of non white americans. For example, everyone supporting the concentration camps in America are Nazis. It doesnt matter if they only support them because they are opposed to immigration. They support concentration camps.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

DNC warns 2020 campaigns not to use FaceApp 'developed by Russians' - CNNPolitics

 

[jolldan]

People arent being called Nazis simply because they have a different viewpoints or beliefs. They are being called Nazis because they're acting like ****ing Nazi's that think "the lesser races" should be under the boot of white society or to a lesser extent they have a total apathy for the suffering of non white americans. For example, everyone supporting the concentration camps in America are Nazis. It doesnt matter if they only support them because they are opposed to immigration. They support concentration camps.

There have been plenty of people who have.

 

[Donner]

Like who?

 

[jolldan]

Like who?

Anna Soubry, Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson and Any Ngo to name a few that have popped up on my feed over the last few days.