Discussion: The DEMOCRATIC P - Part 3

[MagnarTheGreat]

I hope Gillum drags Sen. Nelson (D) over the finish line in Florida as well. If Nelson retains he has him to thank.

Reuters/Ipsos has Gillum ahead by 6 for governor of Florida, but Nelson down by two.

 

[Lily Adler]

How's Cynthia Nixon doing in her election?

I see she lost her primary.

 

[Aximili86]

No way Nixon is winning anything. It's a simple case of "oh, celebrities are in now? people like Bernie's politics in New York? why the hell not try?".

 

[AvengerPA]

If many millennial Democrats had their way, Bernie Sanders would be barred from running for president.

If many millennial Democrats had their way, Bernie Sanders would be barred from running for president.
A new BuzzFeed andMaru/Blue poll found that 25 percent of Democrats between the ages of 22 and 37 believe that people over 65 years are too old for run for president, while another 22 percent believe the age limit should be 70 years old. This would rule out potential 2020 Democratic contenders including Bernie Sanders (77), Joe Biden (75) and Elizabeth Warren (69).

And yet, the poll also found that almost half of millennial Democrats consider themselves democratic socialists or socialists. Sanders has used both labels to describe himself. The poll did not define “socialist,” “socialism,” or “democratic socialist” for its respondents.

If Bernie had won the Democratic nomination for president in 2016, when he was 75, he would have been the oldest nominee in U.S. history. Hillary Clinton, at 69, went on to become the oldest nominee in the Democratic Party’s 188-year history.

A YouGov poll from 2015 found that the vast majority of Americans would set the “ideal” age range for a new president much lower than Clinton or Sanders’s ages. Less than 1 percent of Americans said the “ideal” is 70 years old or higher, while 92 percent put the ideal range below 60. There was a relatively small difference between Democratic and Republican preferences on this issue: both groups were most likely to pick 50-59 age range as the ideal age range.

 

[Aximili86]

Not surprised on the identifying-as-commies part, that's par for the course.

The age thing is moronic though, Bernie's age was never the problem. Presidents probably should be in the 60s/70s, these days that's basically what 50s was back mid-century.

 

[Sithborg]

Presidents, congressmen, and judges.

 

[Handsome Rob]

Democratic Candidate Phil Bredesen Says Kavanaugh Evidence Didn't Rise to the Level of Disqualifying

Tennessean link

Phil Bredesen, under fire from many Democratic supporters for backing the confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court, said evidence supporting sexual allegations directed at Kavanaugh "didn't rise to the level" of disqualifying him.

I guess he figured the people he may gain from stating his support for Kavanaugh in conservative Tennessee would outnumber the ones he lost. The most recent local polling has his opponent Marsha Blackburn leading him by 8 points.

 

[Sithborg]

Super red state Dems can be... frustrating at times.

 

[Aximili86]

Yeah, how dare they vote on the evidence rather than hearsay. That's not the way it's supposed to go!

 

[mclay18]

Democratic Candidate Phil Bredesen Says Kavanaugh Evidence Didn't Rise to the Level of Disqualifying

Tennessean link



I guess he figured the people he may gain from stating his support for Kavanaugh in conservative Tennessee would outnumber the ones he lost. The most recent local polling has his opponent Marsha Blackburn leading him by 8 points.

It doesn't help that Trump limited the FBI investigation and limited the potential evidence. And while Kavanaugh is confirmed, that doesn't mean he's innocent.

Plenty of former alumni approached the FBI to corroborate their knowledge of his college antics but were barred. Ford's credibility was thoroughly cross-examined while Kavanaugh was given a quick cursory sweep.

 

[Sithborg]

I think there is plenty, plenty to find objectionable about Kavanaugh even despite Dr. Ford's allegations.

 

[mclay18]

I think there is plenty, plenty to find objectionable about Kavanaugh even despite Dr. Ford's allegations.

Whether or not he did it, his disastrous statements following Ford's testimony alone should've disqualified him. He screwed up a job interview, and yet the Republicans gave it to him anyway.

I don't ever remember a previous Supreme Court nominee acting the way he did. Whether you're a Republican or Democrat, blaming one side for negative publicity and embracing conspiracy theories is appalling.

I'm no Gorsuch fan, but I admit he aced his confirmation hearing. He maintained a calm demeanor, kept his composure and didn't scapegoat anybody throughout.

 

[Aximili86]

It doesn't help that Trump limited the FBI investigation and limited the potential evidence.

Jesus. If the FBI investigation was limited, it wasn't by the White House. According to the friggin' New York Times of all people. McGahn was limited by law in ordering them to take it as far as a criminal investigation, and the FBI chose what was worth looking into and what wasn't. Blame Wray if you don't think it went far enough, Trump told them he wanted them to go all-out, but wasn't allowed to order it. That was the FBI's decision on what to follow and what not to. According to the NY Times, hardly Trumpie Central.


F.B.I. Review of Kavanaugh Was Limited From the Start

 

[Schlosser85]

I think there is plenty, plenty to find objectionable about Kavanaugh even despite Dr. Ford's allegations.

Like lying under oath multiple times, including lying about receiving stolen documents, which everyone just forgot about.

 

[AvengerPA]

Democratic Candidate Phil Bredesen Says Kavanaugh Evidence Didn't Rise to the Level of Disqualifying

Tennessean link



I guess he figured the people he may gain from stating his support for Kavanaugh in conservative Tennessee would outnumber the ones he lost. The most recent local polling has his opponent Marsha Blackburn leading him by 8 points.

Taylor Swift has endorsed him. That will save him.

 

[Sithborg]

Like lying under oath multiple times, including lying about receiving stolen documents, which everyone just forgot about.

Receiving debate questions before the debate is much, much worse though- Fox News

 

[Aximili86]

You're kidding on the "Hillary didn't lie about the emails" hint there, right?

They lie. All the time. They're *****ing politicians. It's up to the investigative bodies to determine whether it's worth pursuing with action or not. Hillary didn't rise to that bar, Kavanaugh's senate stuff won't either.

 

[Handsome Rob]

So, Elizabeth Warren released her DNA results. To no one's surprise, she does have Native American DNA--technically her "likely Native American ancestry dates back six to 10 generations." So, also to no one's surprise, she doesn't have much of it.

Which, of course, makes me more Indian than she, since I have a definite Cherokee great great grandmother on my mom's side of the family. And I have never, ever claimed to be anything other than white. Because, I'm white.

And before you flip out and say she never claimed to be anything other than white, you're wrong. Warren herself admitted to claiming to be a minority. She "listed herself as a minority in directories of law professors in the hopes of networking with other 'people like me'--meaning those with Native American roots."

And before you call this a nothing issue, ask yourself this: If Trump had claimed to be a minority at one point in his life, but it turned out he's mostly white with that minority blood generations old, would you be so quick to dismiss it? Don't answer me . . . just be honest with yourself.

 

[Zarex]

Here's me being honest. Elizabeth Warren is a lying sack of poo that misrepresented her ethnic background in order gain an inappropriate advantage in her academic career. She is the quintessential example of a limousine liberal. As a registered voter in Massachusetts (formerly Republican, now undeclared), I voted for her opponent Scott Brown when they ran against each other for a Senate seat. I cringe every time she hints at running for President, which upsets my Warren supporting wife to a not unsubstantial degree.

That being said, if the Presidential election came down to Ms. Warren and the traitorous, white-supremacist, pathological-lying ghoul currently residing in the White House I would enthusiastically cast my vote for Liz every single frikkin' time.

 

[Schlosser85]

There are way more relevant things to worry about with Trump than what ethnic background he claims, so yes I would dismiss it, just like I don't care what boxes Warren ticked off on her college application.

 

[Sithborg]

Yeah, I take Warren at her word that that was what her family told her.

 

[moviedoors]

Is Elizabeth Warren my ideal left wing politician? Meh, not really.

Would I vote for her a billion times out of a billion over Trump or basically any member of the GOP? Of course I would.

 

[MaceB]

This closes the issue. Elizabeth Warren told us that her parents said that she was part Native American. Now we know that she is, in fact, part Native American. The President owes her a million dollars. She never lied. She never did anything untoward. She checked a box in college, which she apparently was fully entitled to do.

But no, she's not my top choice for President. I don't need another highly qualified, but divisive liberal white woman running against this man. I don't need a sequel on that one.

 

[Handsome Rob]

This closes the issue. Elizabeth Warren told us that her parents said that she was part Native American. Now we know that she is, in fact, part Native American. The President owes her a million dollars. She never lied. She never did anything untoward. She checked a box in college, which she apparently was fully entitled to do.

But no, she's not my top choice for President. I don't need another highly qualified, but divisive liberal white woman running against this man. I don't need a sequel on that one.

No, he doesn't.

He actually said that if he were to face Warren in a debate, he would "toss a DNA testing kit at her and offer 'a million dollars to your favorite charity, paid for my Trump, if you take the test and it shows you're an Indian.'"

So:

1. No debate has taken place between Trump and Warren.
2. She's got Indian heritage (like me, although I have more), but she's not an Indian (like me, she's white).

It's like if I said, "Hey, MaceB, if we ever play Tecmo Bowl against each other and you score 100 points, I'll give you a million dollars." Two weeks later, while playing Tecmo Bowl by yourself, you score a 100 points.with Bo Jackson and the Raiders. Would you then seriously suggest that I owe you a million dollars?

There's no bet.

 

[Donner]

Oh Jesus who effing cares. Trump is a moron, calling anyone Pocahontas is racist, who cares what ethnicity Warren is, and semantics is a poor argument. Trump should pay to a charity, but he won't because he's Trump and he doesn't pay anyone. He's a sociopath.