Discussion: The REPUBLICAN Party - - - Part 18

[Lighthouse]

McConnell was also planning around Collins and Murkowski. It's why Pence was on the floor before this went down. Manchin also deserves credit for not breaking with the Dems. McCain is getting the attention because of how it came out of no where. He was the feared third vote, which no one tends to want to be.

Yeah, I understand why, but praising an old white dude who votes badly 99% of the time getting all the praise over women who've been consistent is still ******.

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

I don't particularly give a **** who gets praised. They did the right thing for the American people and that's what matters.

 

[Matt]

Yeah, I understand why, but praising an old white dude who votes badly 99% of the time getting all the praise over women who've been consistent is still ******.

But that is looking at it in a vacuum of your own political views. Him voting "badly" 99 % of the time simply means he votes in a manner that you disagree with 99 % of the time. As do Collins and Murkowski, who are staunch Republicans. Their votes are simply less publicized, because they aren't as well known (i.e. never ran for President). McCain does what is right by his beliefs. I respect that. And when the time came to put country above party, and slap down a truly dangerous piece of legislation that served no purpose outside of tax cuts to the wealthy and giving the Republicans a win for the sake of a win, he said no. I respect that. Especially since, without him, this likely would still be going on. I fully believe that McCain intentionally pushed for the debate and voted for it, so he could end this by rejecting the only hope the Republicans had (skinny repeal).

 

[Thundercrack85]

Why is Trump so hell bent on destroying Obamacare? He finally has an out, but he won't take it. He just keeps railing against a fairly popular thing.

 

[Orba]

Why is Trump so hell bent on destroying Obamacare? He finally has an out, but he won't take it. He just keeps railing against a fairly popular thing.

At this point i think its about ego, 45's ego can't cope with losing.

 

[Raiden]

Why is Trump so hell bent on destroying Obamacare? He finally has an out, but he won't take it. He just keeps railing against a fairly popular thing.

Trump has been destroying any achievement that Obama has accomplished, even the Cuba policy. He just can't stomach the fact that Obama is and always will be a better president than he could ever dream of.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

What Congress needs to repeal and replace is Trump.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

What Congress needs to repeal and replace is Trump.

I think you should copyright that. I have a feeling that may well be a common catch phrase in the mid-terms... If Trump is still holding onto his office by then.

 

[godisawesome]

Why is Trump so hell bent on destroying Obamacare? He finally has an out, but he won't take it. He just keeps railing against a fairly popular thing.

Beyond ego, which is probably the biggest actual reason why he's pushed for it as the "Anti-Obama" president, it's quite possible that empty head of his recognizes that getting something rank and file Republicans can consider the successful end to a seven year campaign may be needed to get them back to his side in case things... Go bad.

Because let's face it. That's the main reason why a bunch of senators were willing to grit their teeth and try for a legislative gambit like reconciliation with "skinny repeal." They were hoping to come out with optics good enough to a) not lose to vengeful democrats, and b) not get challenged by rabid hard core conservatives.

 

[Sithborg]

Also, to blame the House when they passed the skinny repeal, because pretty much all who "supported" it kept on talking about the House sending it to conference.

Which, the House doesn't pull the "martial law" rule if they are planning on going to conference.

 

[Orba]

Its pretty sad that they were trying to force through a bill none of them actually liked just so that they could pass the buck so that it died in someone else's hands.

 

[Sithborg]

It is going to be interesting watching how the next two weeks progresses. It is sounding like McCain is going back to AZ for treatment for the month of August. So, Mitch is down one, and his margin of error is down to one Senator. Could be cause for some entertainment, as it sounds like Collins and Murkowski are not happy with McConnell.

 

[mclay18]

The GOP is so fractured that McConnell is despised by the far right conservatives like Mo Brooks and anti-LGBT Roy Moore, who paint him as part of the "establishment."

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/31/mcconnell-alabama-moore-brooks-strange-241138

The irony is delicious. The GOP has the majority in all three branches of government, but thanks to the loony Tea Party minority, they can't reach a consensus to get anything done. They're too busy stabbing each other in the back.

 

[Lily Adler]

This son of a ***** of a political party better fracture. I thought Donald Trump winning the presidency would accelerate us there.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

More than half (a majority) of Republicans polled support postponing the 2020 elections if proposed:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amph...oning-the-2020-election-if-trump-proposed-it/

 

[Marvolo]

I just dont understand Republicans. At all.

 

[Schlosser85]

I'm kind of sick of them constantly yelling about their patriotism and saying liberals hate America while they're fine with dismantling our democratic ideals.

 

[Marvolo]

Its especially infuriating when I consider the Republicans that said Obama was going to cancel elections and refuse to leave office. That he was a dictator. A tyrant. They were all worked up over their nonsense, but when their glorious leader is defiling the white house and our country they are happy to give up their rights and let him do whatever he wants.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I don't get how elected and rank and file don't see the obvious downsides to backing Trump as they have. In the future they will have no legs to stand on to complain about anything. Trump as a person and in his actions negates any criticisms they could possibly have about any future Democratic Party opponents. They can't go after marriage, sex life, public demeanor, being critical of the country's history... Nothing. He's crossed all the supposed lines they had about elected officials.

 

[Marvolo]

They can and will. They have no shame. Theyll act like they did nothing wrong.

 

[fancyarcher]

Trump & Republicans are the ultimate masters of projection. They won't ever admit they're wrong, and they certainly don't want to lose power. I can't say I'm surprised by the outcome of that poll.

 

[samsnee]

Just watch Hannity if you want to know how they will continue to act like Democrats have no ground to stand on, while Republicans are the real victims. You'd think Hillary won the election with the way they are still trying to use her as a diversion from Cheetoh's activities.

 

[Hypestyle]

my guess is that by 2018, any state assembly elections will probably yield results largely favorable to the GOP. GOP candidates in the running will not just double-down, they will quintuple-down on the tea-party style bullet points, defending Trump to the utmost. Most state assembly districts will be safe for them to win.
Same goes for most congressional seats "up for grabs". Most GOP candidates will probably run on a pro-Trump platform, whether or not it's branded as such. Leftist media, etc., will get the co-blame. They'll probably win, too.

I still don't see how in the hell most racial minority folks can stand being a part of the current GOP culture- more specifically, younger racial minority folks. The racial toxicity would be to galling for me, even if I were "purely" a fiscal-conservative type. I can't compartmentalize to that degree.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

my guess is that by 2018, any state assembly elections will probably yield results largely favorable to the GOP. GOP candidates in the running will not just double-down, they will quintuple-down on the tea-party style bullet points, defending Trump to the utmost. Most state assembly districts will be safe for them to win.
Same goes for most congressional seats "up for grabs". Most GOP candidates will probably run on a pro-Trump platform, whether or not it's branded as such. Leftist media, etc., will get the co-blame. They'll probably win, too.

I still don't see how in the hell most racial minority folks can stand being a part of the current GOP culture- more specifically, younger racial minority folks. The racial toxicity would be to galling for me, even if I were "purely" a fiscal-conservative type. I can't compartmentalize to that degree.

Look at the Log Cabin Republicans. They seem blind to the agenda of the GOP for decades,but... Ya'know, tax cuts etc.

 

[Mike5575]

I don't get how elected and rank and file don't see the obvious downsides to backing Trump as they have. In the future they will have no legs to stand on to complain about anything. Trump as a person and in his actions negates any criticisms they could possibly have about any future Democratic Party opponents. They can't go after marriage, sex life, public demeanor, being critical of the country's history... Nothing. He's crossed all the supposed lines they had about elected officials.

Well, there is Hillary and her Benghazi lies, attacking women who where sexually assaulted by Bill. Any new opponent Trump goes up against in 2020 will likely have the advantage of not having their scandals already out in the open.