Discussion: The REPUBLICAN Party XIV

[enterthemadness]

It's unnecessary but being angry about it only comes off as jealously.

I've been misquoted. I also said this ''I blame Red Eye and Red Eye for this ''


= I'm joking or half joking.

lulz.


Hollywood needs to embrace the Libertarian Party. The only thing me and Hollywood agree on is being anti-Republican. Imma hater and I'm drinking my haterade.

 

[Sun_Down]

Did anyone really think they wouldn't find another way for the Obamas to show how cool they are with the Hollywood crowd? Really thought it was an unnecessary addition for the final award.

I think it looks worse on the Academy's part. It's like they are pandering, but in all the wrong ways.

Jesus people, settle down. It's a 45 second appearance.

Don't forget that Laura Bush did a taped presentation for the Oscars in '02.

Aaaaand LOL.

 

[enterthemadness]

Good, this please me. Yeeeeeees.


http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/27/m...blican-groups-clash-in-preparations-for-2014/


Moderate Republicans, Conservative Republicans call each other cancer, ETM is pleased greatly.

 

[Mad Love]

instead of achieving party reform they'll refocus animosity against the president

 

[SV Fan]

instead of achieving party reform they'll refocus animosity against the president

The only problem is you can only call the President a secular atheist mulsim socialist fascists so much before people just start thinking anything that comes out of your mouth is full of crap(ie guilty by association). I think the moderates to some degree realize that the outright name calling doesn't do anything to win over moderate voters who can read through the BS

basically linking yourself up with the extreme parts of the republican party is going to do 2 things

1. Get alot of younger people into socialism because if that is what the opposite of the tea party is then it must not be so bad(it should be pointed out 50% of people under 30 have a positive view of socialism, I am guessing alot of that has to do with the extreme right wing's constant putting it down)

2. Link yourself up with a group of people who many view don't have reasonable thought

 

[Thundercrack85]

This Republican civil war is fascinating and all, but I'm skeptical if moderate can win the party back.

They're really going to have a hard time over the next 20 years, as the country becomes less white, and less religious.

Or to put it in the party's own Lindsey Graham's words, the country is "not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term."

 

[Marx]

The political dynamic has definitely changed. I don't think anyone can deny that now.

 

[Thundercrack85]

The political dynamic has definitely changed. I don't think anyone can deny that now.

Oh I know a few Republicans who are still in denial about it.

You sort of see them go through the five stages of grief. Most of them are in the third or fourth stage (bargaining and depression). A couple are still in that Karl Rove on election night stage of denial.

 

[Marx]

...that's very true thundercrack.

 

[Kelly]

The political dynamic has definitely changed. I don't think anyone can deny that now.

I'm certainly not going to say its happening...but I think the 2014 mid term elections will tell us if this is a trend that leads to permanent changes.

 

[Thundercrack85]

The Tea Party will win some elections in red states, and lose a few more in purple and blue states, causing the party to go further to the right.

That'd my prediction. So basically 2012 all over again.

 

[Kelly]

The Tea Party will win some elections in red states, and lose a few more in purple and blue states, causing the party to go further to the right.

That'd my prediction. So basically 2012 all over again.

If they are tea party favorites like a Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio they may win some, but I don't think we are going to see the crazies win the primaries like we saw before. For the most part the Tea Party has moved to individual state elections working that more than national elections.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Well, take your senate primary, the people who vote in those tend to be the most... politically active, which is usually the people who have the most extreme views (this goes for both parties).

So in red states, the Tea Party-esque groups (the religious right, more or less, with some corporate backing), makes up about half, if not more of the primary vote. So, in red states, you will likely see some moderates lose to more conservative Republican candidates (like we did in 2012).

The moderates left (or even simply the establishment), will want to seem more conservative, so they will try to emulate their Tea Party-backed counterparts, in fear of being outdone. I believe this is already happening.

 

[SV Fan]

If they are tea party favorites like a Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio they may win some, but I don't think we are going to see the crazies win the primaries like we saw before. For the most part the Tea Party has moved to individual state elections working that more than national elections.

I'll give Rubio credit for winning in Florida but a Republican winning in Texas is not exactly earth shattering news

 

[Excel]

I'm certainly not going to say its happening...but I think the 2014 mid term elections will tell us if this is a trend that leads to permanent changes.

What is going to happen is in 10-12 years or so, after Hillary spends 8 years in office, a true fiscal conservative who is socially liberal (basically a libertarian but not a self prescribed one) is going to come as a new type of Republican and totally rebrand the party.

Ryan, Rubio, christie, etc - none of these guys will be able to compete with the well known Democrats. The only reason anyone pays attention to them is because they're from the other big party. Thats it. Nobody following the current GOP platform stands at a chance at winning 2016. It is way beyond "immigration reform" - the nation wide consensus among a majority of voters is that the republicans of today are out of touch with way too many things.

In general, Washington and politicians are loathed, but dems > gop. They're waiting for their JFK or Bill Clinton, but they might not even let him into the party until their at rock bottom.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Do people on this forum know something I don't? Hillary Clinton has given no indication that she'll run again in 2016. She's said she won't (granted, that doesn't mean she absolutely won't, but she's said it several times now).

People here are acting like she's already won an election she apparently won't even be in.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Do people on this forum know something I don't? Hillary Clinton has given no indication that she'll run again in 2016. She's said she won't (granted, that doesn't mean she absolutely won't, but she's said it several times now).

People here are acting like she's already won an election she apparently won't even be in.

And will people be willing to give the Democrats another 4-8 years in the WH if the country continues down the road it is? If things do continue the way they are, or get worse, and a Democrat is still elected, then I have to concede that maybe people don't have any clue that continuing to do the same over and over and expecting a different result is fruitless.

 

[wiegeabo]

Certainly would be nice if there was a third party and we didn't have to continually choose between the lesser of two evils: the crazies and the status quo.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I really have to know who will be running first.

It's a wide open field right now. No one could have predicted 2008.

Plus the last two years of Obama's term will also be very important.

 

[Mad Love]

And will people be willing to give the Democrats another 4-8 years in the WH if the country continues down the road it is? If things do continue the way they are, or get worse, and a Democrat is still elected, then I have to concede that maybe people don't have any clue that continuing to do the same over and over and expecting a different result is fruitless.

Or maybe they'll pay more attention to Congressional elections

 

[Thundercrack85]

If Obama goes out of office leaving thing better off than they are now, then I could see the Democrats taking 2016. Provided they don't nominate someone extremely divisive.

The Republican's main stumbling blocks will be the Tea Party and demographics.

 

[Burgundy LaRue]

Certainly would be nice if there was a third party and we didn't have to continually choose between the lesser of two evils: the crazies and the status quo.

I always hear about this potential third party. Who exactly is going to make up the core of it? The so-called independents, who aren't as independent as they lead us to think? Libertarians? Angry Dems and GOPers looking to stick it to their former parties?

The way I see it, this people will bring the same attitudes and baggage that the current parties already have.

I'm not saying a true third party is a bad thing. But I'm not convinced that it's a great thing, either.

 

[SV Fan]

I always hear about this potential third party. Who exactly is going to make up the core of it?

Northern Republicans and Southern Democrats should join together to make a moderate party

 

[enterthemadness]

the best bet for a third party is for monetary collapse to happen. with how the major parties ***** about cuts abd how the federal reserve acts, i say its going to happen.

 

[wiegeabo]

I always hear about this potential third party. Who exactly is going to make up the core of it? The so-called independents, who aren't as independent as they lead us to think? Libertarians? Angry Dems and GOPers looking to stick it to their former parties?

The way I see it, this people will bring the same attitudes and baggage that the current parties already have.

I'm not saying a true third party is a bad thing. But I'm not convinced that it's a great thing, either.

Probably a third of the country, at least, fall into the category of social liberal and fiscally conservative. Progressive on social issues, but responsible with spending. Why? Because that's how they live their lives anyway.

Arguably, the Libertarian party is probably the best 3rd party whose ideals represent that.

But people don't go to a third party, any third party, typically for 1 of 3 main reasons:

1) The spoiler effect: They're too afraid to leave their current party because the evil other side will gain power by default and take over. Can't throw your vote away like that!

2) Lack of power: What's the point of going to a 3rd party if they're so small. It's not like they can really do anything.

3) Ignorance: They don't even know the 3rd party is out there. Or they do, but haven't done the research to realize how well it might fit with their beliefs.


What they fail to understand is:

1) Voting for someone you don't really believe in just because it's the lesser of two evils is still throwing your vote away.

2) If everyone who wanted to join the 3rd party but was afraid to do so, actually did so, we'd suddenly have a viable 3rd party in this country.

3) It's hard to be aware of a 3rd party if the game is, at least somewhat, geared towards keeping the Big Two in everyone's mind. Partly because the Big Two have the power to do so, and partly for the first two reasons.