Discussion: The REPUBLICAN Party VII

[Venom'sDad]

Cain's latest commercial is absolutely ridiculous.

People don't get it.... and the pondents sure in hell don't get. I have to admit, I can see how it can be so confusing...but these "know it all" pondents, regardless of what spectrum they hail from, repeat the same clueless talking points.

The guy is suppose to be a real, average, regular guy, American who is force to smoke outside. I don't smoke; but, Smokers who have to go outside in smoke especially in groups(like gathering around the water cooler, discussing politics, tv shows, games, health, simple gossip, jobs, who's dating who, etc) understand the symbolic nature of "the guy" supporting and working for Cain, campaigning for Cain, outside, in the smokers zone. Smokers feels alienated, because of their "choice" to smoke. This guy is suppose to be(badly done) one of those regular, everyday, American, smoker.

I don't know if it help or hurt Cain....it certainly created more buzz, on top of 9-9-9. Not sure it was needed....should have touched on other issues outside of 9-9-9....so voters can get a better feel of his other platforms.

 

[Marx]

UPDATE: "JOE THE PLUMBER" LAUNCHES CONGRESSIONAL BID
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/25/joe-the-plumber-launches-bid-for-congress/

 

[wiegeabo]

Wait, what?

 

[Marx]

You read that right Wieg. "Joe the Plumber" whose name isn't really Joe and who isn't really a plumber, is running for congress here in Ohio.

 

[Marx]

TELEVANGELIST PAT ROBERTSON: GOP PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES NEED TO "LAY OFF" EXTREMIST RHETORIC
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/25/pat-robertson-comments-gop_n_1030534.html

When you've gotten to the point that PAT ROBERTSON is telling you that you're getting too conservative, you've got problems.

 

[Schlosser85]

Pat Robertson telling other people to lay off extremist rhetoric is hilarious.

 

[DACrowe]

People don't get it.... and the pondents sure in hell don't get. I have to admit, I can see how it can be so confusing...but these "know it all" pondents, regardless of what spectrum they hail from, repeat the same clueless talking points.

The guy is suppose to be a real, average, regular guy, American who is force to smoke outside. I don't smoke; but, Smokers who have to go outside in smoke especially in groups(like gathering around the water cooler, discussing politics, tv shows, games, health, simple gossip, jobs, who's dating who, etc) understand the symbolic nature of "the guy" supporting and working for Cain, campaigning for Cain, outside, in the smokers zone. Smokers feels alienated, because of their "choice" to smoke. This guy is suppose to be(badly done) one of those regular, everyday, American, smoker.

I don't know if it help or hurt Cain....it certainly created more buzz, on top of 9-9-9. Not sure it was needed....should have touched on other issues outside of 9-9-9....so voters can get a better feel of his other platforms.

Methinks you overthought that. He's smoking because they think the image looks cool. Colbert had a great segment tonight making fun of it. "Smoking is cool! Just ask John Wayne, Humphrey Bogart and the Marlboro Man," as he showed their tombstones.

The commercial I thought was hilarious because it tried to use smoking as a way to win votes and then had that ridiculous "I am America!" song with the ultra-slow Cain smile. I felt like I was watching a fake political ad that Andy Samberg might dream up.

 

[DACrowe]

Anyway....

RICK PERRY REVEALS HIMSELF TO BE A BIRTHER AND QUESTIONS LEGITIMACY OF BIRTH CERTIFICATE
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/rick-perrys-birther-parade/2011/10/24/gIQAyFRNDM_story.html

I'm sure we've all heard this by now, but I don't see this in this thread and I found it to be sad and hilarious.

 

[SentinelMind]

Methinks you overthought that. He's smoking because they think the image looks cool. Colbert had a great segment tonight making fun of it. "Smoking is cool! Just ask John Wayne, Humphrey Bogart and the Marlboro Man," as he showed their tombstones.

The commercial I thought was hilarious because it tried to use smoking as a way to win votes and then had that ridiculous "I am America!" song with the ultra-slow Cain smile. I felt like I was watching a fake political ad that Andy Samberg might dream up.

All this discussion of the ad gives Cain more airtime, you're helping create his online viral campaign. The ad has a slight silly tongue-in-cheek vibe, but I agree with Venom's analysis on purpose of ad to humanize Cain's supporters. Regular, middle American working class Republicans who are finally getting excited about a Presidential candidate. I think the smoking in the ad is less about showing the supporter as "cool" and more about showing him as "defiant" and "real". I'm not a smoker, but I have lots of coworkers who smoke and I can understand the alienation some of them feel for their choice to engage in act that symbolizes stress relief. The ad is trying to connect with the "worker on the grind." The Cain smile at the end is definitely conveying message "let's show respect...but look I can have fun with this campaign, too". I think its a good move...a pretty cheap ad thrown together that is causing a sensation.

And that "I am America" song is actually pretty catchy in my honest opinion.

 

[obin_gam]

All this discussion of the ad gives Cain more airtime, you're helping create his online viral campaign. The ad has a slight silly tongue-in-cheek vibe, but I agree with Venom's analysis on purpose of ad to humanize Cain's supporters. Regular, middle American working class Republicans who are finally getting excited about a Presidential candidate. I think the smoking in the ad is less about showing the supporter as "cool" and more about showing him as "defiant" and "real". I'm not a smoker, but I have lots of coworkers who smoke and I can understand the alienation some of them feel for their choice to engage in act that symbolizes stress relief. The ad is trying to connect with the "worker on the grind." The Cain smile at the end is definitely conveying message "let's show respect...but look I can have fun with this campaign, too". I think its a good move...a pretty cheap ad thrown together that is causing a sensation.

And that "I am America" song is actually pretty catchy in my honest opinion.

What? Where? Imo the ad takes and thinks of itself as 100% serious. I really doubt Cain has this kind of self-perspective to get his peons to make a "sarcastic" ad. His quotes in debates I think prooves this quite well.

 

[Lighthouse]

TELEVANGELIST PAT ROBERTSON: GOP PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES NEED TO "LAY OFF" EXTREMIST RHETORIC
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/25/pat-robertson-comments-gop_n_1030534.html

When you've gotten to the point that PAT ROBERTSON is telling you that you're getting too conservative, you've got problems.

Robertson's criticism is a strategic one, not a ideological one. I'm pretty sure he agrees with every extreme conservative idea, but in terms of winning an election, the Republicans scare away all the centrists to Obama.

 

[DACrowe]

All this discussion of the ad gives Cain more airtime, you're helping create his online viral campaign. The ad has a slight silly tongue-in-cheek vibe, but I agree with Venom's analysis on purpose of ad to humanize Cain's supporters. Regular, middle American working class Republicans who are finally getting excited about a Presidential candidate. I think the smoking in the ad is less about showing the supporter as "cool" and more about showing him as "defiant" and "real". I'm not a smoker, but I have lots of coworkers who smoke and I can understand the alienation some of them feel for their choice to engage in act that symbolizes stress relief. The ad is trying to connect with the "worker on the grind." The Cain smile at the end is definitely conveying message "let's show respect...but look I can have fun with this campaign, too". I think its a good move...a pretty cheap ad thrown together that is causing a sensation.

And that "I am America" song is actually pretty catchy in my honest opinion.

Well considering that title came from Stephen Colbert's book....

We're talking about it because it was funny. It's going to go down as one of the all-time bizarre, so-bad-it's-good political ads long after Cain has left the campaign trail for the Fox News TV studio he'll be working at.

Just saying.

 

[Marx]

Anyway....

RICK PERRY REVEALS HIMSELF TO BE A BIRTHER AND QUESTIONS LEGITIMACY OF BIRTH CERTIFICATE
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/rick-perrys-birther-parade/2011/10/24/gIQAyFRNDM_story.html

I'm sure we've all heard this by now, but I don't see this in this thread and I found it to be sad and hilarious.

Desperate people say desperate things. (Although the CBS Evening News reported last night that 25 percent of Republican voters still DO NOT believe that Obama was born in this country.)

All this discussion of the ad gives Cain more airtime, you're helping create his online viral campaign. The ad has a slight silly tongue-in-cheek vibe, but I agree with Venom's analysis on purpose of ad to humanize Cain's supporters. Regular, middle American working class Republicans who are finally getting excited about a Presidential candidate. I think the smoking in the ad is less about showing the supporter as "cool" and more about showing him as "defiant" and "real". I'm not a smoker, but I have lots of coworkers who smoke and I can understand the alienation some of them feel for their choice to engage in act that symbolizes stress relief. The ad is trying to connect with the "worker on the grind." The Cain smile at the end is definitely conveying message "let's show respect...but look I can have fun with this campaign, too". I think its a good move...a pretty cheap ad thrown together that is causing a sensation.

And that "I am America" song is actually pretty catchy in my honest opinion.

Cain's ad is going viral and getting attention for all the wrong reasons Sent. The larger majority of people aren't saying "wow, that ad really makes me want to vote for him". People are laughing at him because it's so ridiculous. It's almost to an "I'm not a witch" level of ridiculousness.

 

[dnno1]

Mitt Romney Fundraising With A Solyndra Lobbyist

 

[Marx]

UPDATE: RICK PERRY "REGRETS" TAKING PART IN DEBATES
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/25/perry-expresses-regret-over-taking-part-in-debates/

 

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[Marx]

Mitt Romney Fundraising With A Solyndra Lobbyist

...that's an interesting turn of events.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Anyway....

RICK PERRY REVEALS HIMSELF TO BE A BIRTHER AND QUESTIONS LEGITIMACY OF BIRTH CERTIFICATE
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/rick-perrys-birther-parade/2011/10/24/gIQAyFRNDM_story.html

I'm sure we've all heard this by now, but I don't see this in this thread and I found it to be sad and hilarious.

I thought this whole damn issue was over with

 

[GhostPoet]

Reading some of these threads...i've come to the conclusion there is no winning side. Especially for the people.

 

[dnno1]

I thought this whole damn issue was over with

Perry is heading south in the polls. The only way he feels he has a shot now it to embrace the Michell Bachman/Herman Cain base.

 

[SentinelMind]

Cain's ad is going viral and getting attention for all the wrong reasons Sent. The larger majority of people aren't saying "wow, that ad really makes me want to vote for him". People are laughing at him because it's so ridiculous. It's almost to an "I'm not a witch" level of ridiculousness.

If Cain ran ad similar to that in general election, I agree it would be dumb. I think the ad was trying to cement "primary" excitement for those still on the fence, those who like Cain but are unsure he can win or is a credible candidate. Cain is running on his brand at this moment, not really on policy specifics, which for better or worse can be successful. I think this approach of the is slightly better than throwing together some black and white negative attack ad of Perry or Romney.

 

[Quetzal]

I agree the concept of Cain's ad was not dumb. The problem was it was so cheap, so wierd, so poorly exceuted but I am sure even if you were looking for this you wouldnt have expected the whiplash of laughter about Cain.

Point is not a bad idea, just didnt turn out so.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Latest CNN/Time Magazine Polling

Iowa Caucus
Mitt Romney: 24%
Herman Cain: 21%
Ron Paul: 12%
Newt Gingrich: 10%
Rick Perry: 10%
Michelle Bachmann: 6%
Rick Santorum: 2%
Jon Huntsman: 1%

New Hampshire Primary
Mitt Romney: 40%
Herman Cain: 13%
Ron Paul: 12%
Jon Huntsman: 6%
Newt Gingrich: 5%
Rick Perry: 4%
Michelle Bachmann: 2%
Rick Santorum: 1%
Gary Johnson: 0%

South Carolina Primary
Mitt Romney: 25%
Herman Cain: 23%
Ron Paul: 12%
Rick Perry: 11%
Newt Gingrich: 8%
Michelle Bachmann: 4%
Rick Santorum: 1%
Jon Huntsman: 1%

Florida Primary
Mitt Romney: 30%
Herman Cain: 18%
Newt Gingrich: 9%
Rick Perry: 9%
Ron Paul: 6%
Michelle Bachmann: 4%
Jon Huntsman: 1%
Rick Santorum: 1%

 

[Dr. Evil]

If Saturday Night Live doesn't make fun of the Herman Cain ads, it's a major fail on their part. When I saw the ad for the first time, I said "SNL is going to make fun of this for sure."

 

[Schlosser85]

This may be the most cartoonish, self-parodying crop of presidential candidates in quite a while.