Discussion: The REPUBLICAN Party

[Memphis Slim]

I'm black...

I figured you were from some previous postings.

 

[Warhammer]

O’Reilly is a racist that (undercover) embraces that he is one.

 

[sinewave]

holy ****, dude. did you purposely try to make it as difficult as possible for me to respond to this by inverting my quotes and your responses to them? jeez, learn how to edit, for crying out loud.

Did you even listen to the entire conversation between Bill and Juan? If you did, it probably wouldn't matter to you, anyway. You don't like OReilly and that plays into you suspension of intellectual honesty in this situation. I posted links with Williams exclaining everything very clearly. And still want me to "answers thes silly questions? O'Reilly already said what he meant and in context, it makes sense. Juan speaks his mind and is not an uncle Tom! If Bill had said something out of line, Williams would not have let him get away with it. Question: why aren't you more angry with the gansta' fouled -mouthed thugs poisoning the minds of young impressionable young people than with OReilly? He speaking up for those kids just as Williams is.

yes, i did listen to the whole thing. why is it everybody's response is the same when someone points out how racist his remarks sound? i keep hearing a variation on "you're taking it out of context", yet nobody can explain how (even mr. sparkle dodged that one). if bill presented his own personal view that he expected a black restaurant with black patrons in a black neighborhood to act anything other than civil, what kind of context am i supposed to place that in? i get what people are claiming, that he's trying to stand up for black people and explain to his audience, who are mostly made up of white people over the age of 55, that not all blacks are like thuggish gangsta rappers, i really do. but he wasn't making a general statement like "if you assume that a restaurant like sylvia's is full of loud, crude black folks hootin' and hollerin', then you'd be surprised to find out that couldn't be further from the truth", that'd have been fine. but he used his own preconceptions as the basis for his comments. please, i would really, REALLY like to know how a statement like "I couldn’t get over the fact that there was no difference between Sylvia’s restaurant and any other restaurant in New York City. I mean, it was exactly the same, even though it’s run by blacks, primarily black patronship.” is being taken out of context if he's relaying his very own preconceived notions of the experience of dining at sylvia's. if that had come from someone like, oh, i don't know, bill mahr you'd most likely be singing a different tune.

I haven't heard that comment. But, as a black man myself, I can probably understand what he is saying! My people do tend to think in the collective mentality to a great degree. Over 80 percent of our votes go to the Dems. It's automatic. Everybody expects a black person to vote for the democrat. The media always puts a mic in the face of Al & Jesse when an issue comes up. They never go to Shelby Steele or other black consevatives. Condi Rice is called a sell-out. Powell was a uncle Tom by Harry Belafonte. . Michael Steele was called an oreo (and that was by the "white media) and no NAACP came to his defense!!

Even you guys have the nerve (most of you being white) to tell me that you can't believe a black man should be a conservative. Some Jewish guy on this board tries to tell me that a black man voting for Bush was like fried chicken voing for Colonel Sanders. Man! I could twist that and make that a racist remark! But I'm not dishonest like that. So yeah...I can see the perception that we all think one way, vote one way. But some of that is changing. some blacks are exploring the conservative message and liking it. I believe that's what that remark is saying. Not that we don't have brains. But that there is an awakening going on.

There. there's your answer. If you don't like the answer.......tuff. That's your problem. Not mine. And I'm not spending time on a bunch of follow-ups that a I know you're gonna send.

wait, so you're telling me to go listen to the whole interview to understand the context and you haven't even listened to the whole thing yourself? the line is from that same story. if you're referring to martin's comments on the matter, you can find them here.

so let me get this straight; it's ok for a rich white dude to claim to know your race so intimately that he can determine how they think and when their way of thinking changed, yet he's amazed to find out that they don't all act like li'l jon when they get together to eat in a nice restaurant? #1, don't you find that rather contradictory of his understanding of your race? and #2, how would you react if just your average white guy stated the exact same thing to you. honestly, i'd love to hear an answer to these questions, not more bobbing and weaving or shifting the topic to someone on the left.

why do you attribute 80% of the black population traditionally voting democratic a sign of a group-think mentality? could it not be that that many blacks vote that way because they honestly believe that the democrats represent them better than the republicans? are you saying they're voting dem. out of ignorance and conformity? that sounds rather denigrating of your race, to give them that little credit. how exactly do the republicans better represent your people? do you think maybe black people might remember the conservatives' stance on segregation and civil rights regarding blacks and other minorities in the past? or that the republican party disenfranchized a large portion of black voters during the 2000 election in florida? or that a city with such a rich history for blacks was allowed to be decimated under the watch of a republican administration? man, i could go on and on about this stuff, but i've debated with you enough to know that your stubbornness won't allow an opposing viewpoint to sink in.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

O'Reilly himself said he, as in he himself, did not believe how civilized the people in the restaurant were.

Exactly...thats why this taken out of contex thing is a ridiculous sham.

 

[sinewave]

Why? He didn't say anything wrong. If you don't like the guy, that's one thing. But at least listen to the entire interview between he and Juan Williams.

we're talking about a guy who got caught repeatedly sexually harassing his female co-worker, settled out of court and then had the gall to play the victim card. a guy who verbally abused and bullied on-air, and eventually silenced and ejected from his studio, someone who dared to calmly and respectfully disagree with his view of the guy's very own dead father, yet you're defending his character, judgment and supposed respect for minorities?

He didn't say "civilized" . He said "civil". He's Bill OReilly! Right-winged, big mouth conservative. And he's in an area where his style of politics is not welcomed much. Maybe he did expect some hostile looks or jeers.

no , no, no, no, no. now you're presupposing and speculating that he meant that all of the vulgar behavior he admittedly expected would have all been as a result of his presence in their restaurant? isn't that using a negative stereotype of the paranoid, territorial black person lashing out at an outsider? that's not much better, i gotta tell ya. and besides, nowhere in there did he say anything about expecting anything to be directed at him. he just pointed out that their behavior in general was a complete surprise to him. why are you reaching to make attempts at justifying his behavior? would you extend the same courtesy to a liberal pundit?

man, you could fly a jet through the holes in your logic. you're damn consistent with that ****, too, i'll give you that.

 

[Memphis Slim]

Sinewave.........

I guess you did ruin too many brain cells last night.

That's a joke.


I'm not responding to any your answer (enuff already). Not that I couldn't. But you aren't changing your mind and I'm not changing mine. You've heard my points....I've heard yours.

 

[sinewave]

Sinewave.........

I guess you did ruin too many brain cells last night.

That's a joke.


I'm not responding to any your answer (enuff already). Not that I couldn't. But you aren't changing your mind and I'm not changing mine. You've heard my points....I've heard yours.

man, just once i'd love to know that something actually sunk in with you.

i've made some pretty good points, in my opinion, while poking holes in your logic. if you're going to engage in a debate and then leave when it gets to the point that you're unwilling to defend your views from the scrutiny of others, i have no choice but assume you've realized that your points are bogus, but don't want to admit it and, thus, i've won the debate.

 

[BlackLantern]

Bill is ignorant....that's all thats my stance

 

[SentinelMind]

I think we can all agree Bill made some racist comments somewhere in his diatribe.

 

[La The Darkman]

The answer is sadly ...."Yes"! That's probably exactly what they expected! And why wouldn't they if never met any real black people in person and all they see are these images.....??




This is What Juan Williams and OReilly were trying to say.If you snatch one sentence out of any conversation, it can sound strange. But I heard the whole thing. OReilly is saying that the images you see here is what a lot of white people think about black people! These are the only black folks they will see. He was telling whites that the black people he met in Harlem were nothing like this! The sewage has risen to the top and now many (sadly young black boys and girls) think this what black is.

That's an excuse or other peoples ignorant and racist views. Bigots have expected such behavior from black folks since LONG before DJ Kool Herc ever touched a turntable.....The negative views some people have of black folk are NOTHING new, it's just business as usual, it's stupid to try and blame other people's ignorance on rap music. I guess that's why Bill's grandmother was racist, because she was watching too much BET.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Basically....exactly the same thing here.....People are like "you're so well-mannered"....what did you expect...me to be bustin caps in here and bangin your daughter???[/quote]



The answer is sadly ...."Yes"! That's probably exactly what they expected! And why wouldn't they if never met any real black people in person and all they see are these images.....??


[

Nelly

This is What Juan Williams and OReilly were trying to say. If you snatch one sentence out of any conversation, it can sound strange. But I heard the whole thing. OReilly is saying that the images you see here is what a lot of white people think about black people! These are the only black folks they will see. He was telling whites that the black people he met in Harlem were nothing like this! The sewage has risen to the top and now many (sadly young black boys and girls) think this what black is.

okay man, are you still on this ****ing kick?

anybody, whether they have met a "real" black person or not, who would generalize an entire race of people based upon a few that they see on t.v. is a ****ing ignorant ass *****e to begin with. so it really doesn't matter what images they portray on t.v. and in music or not, because these people have their minds made up already.

these images portrayed make no difference what so ever. in the end, all they are is an excuse for these ignorant people to say "see, i told you so", but even if every one of these rappers were presenting themselves in a different fashion, the ignorance would still be there. look at the **** that people like colin powell, tiger woods, and condeleza rice have to deal with. the **** they take.

dude, ignorance is everywhere and rap music has nothing to do with it. get over it.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

While this would be hard to quantify, I think if you took every black celebrity you'd find the majority don't act like those rappers in question. Remember, in the world of public spectacle their are two ways to get famous 1) be the best there is 2) make a complete fool of yourself. As many have noted, very seldom do politically astute rappers get much air play. In addition celebrities who maintain a reasonable lifestyle generate less controversy and therefore garner less attention.

 

[comicgirl]

..............and yet again, we cannot see people as individuals

 

[terry78]

Posted this in the soul glo earlier, but O'Reilly may want to give it a look.

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[BlackLantern]

Are you saying that getting "crunk" is bad for my peoples image??? I'll not stand for it.....where is my chicken, waffles, and white women....

 

[sinewave]

Posted this in the soul glo earlier, but O'Reilly may want to give it a look.

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is that ice-t?

 

[Addendum]

Duckman was a cool show

 

[ObakeTora]

ugh,

It just exhausts me. I know Bill's view isn't shared by all white people, but how the **** can this guy be successful with his polarizing views? Thats what disgusts me about today, human beings classifying other human beings with the same character as that of an animal. I liked (mildly) Michael Richards (in UHF) and I find out he's a closet racist. It's a wonder, why not that many of us are serial killers.....

Duckman was a cool show

Wasn't he a vegetarian vampire?

 

[Addendum]

No, Count Duckula was the vampire.

Duckman was a detective

 

[ObakeTora]

No, Count Duckula was the vampire.

Duckman was a detective

my bad. Yea I remember that show!! I use to love that show!!!!! He was the one with the wife (sister?) with those huge ass legs right?

 

[terry78]

Who will get your mother****in' Volvo and Celine Dion records?

 

[Addendum]

Who will get your mother****in' Volvo and Celine Dion records?

That's why I hate driving this cracker around

 

[ObakeTora]

And in that same year he starred in this film.

That should tell you something, he got an oscar for that crap Driving Miss daisy, but only an image award for this film. (IMHO was best performance ever) Easy reader can't get a break.

 

[Carcharodon]

Does O'Reilly need yet another John Stewart smackdown?

 

[Kelly]

Has anyone actually listened to the entire audio clip....in its context?