Discussion: The Second Amendment V

[Thundercrack85]

You would think the semi- part would... tell people that.

My main issue is justification. I find the current laws too – what the hell is the opposite of restrictive?

 

[hippie_hunter]

You would think the semi- part would... tell people that.

My main issue is justification. I find the current laws too – what the hell is the opposite of restrictive?

Try telling that to my friends who think that registration = confiscation and that the laws we have are far too strict.

Personally, I think that the laws we currently have in place are fine, we just need more effective enforcement mechanisms. That and we need more intelligent people debating on the issue as opposed to the idiots on both sides dominating the argument.

 

[Thundercrack85]

It's ridiculous that the entire discussion is held hostage by one interest group. Polls show that most people –including gun owners – favor stricter laws. Instead we see the NRA literally writing legislation, weakening existing legislation, and actively censoring research. The lunatics are running the asylum.

Massacre, after massacre, people are unfazed. It's not going away.

My family's always had firearms, but I have to say, I've come around to the other side's point of view, at least in regards to the need for stronger laws.

 

[hippie_hunter]

It's ridiculous that the entire discussion is held hostage by one interest group. Polls show that most people –including gun owners – favor stricter laws. Instead we see the NRA literally writing legislation, weakening existing legislation, and actively censoring research. The lunatics are running the asylum.

Massacre, after massacre, people are unfazed. It's not going away.

My family's always had firearms, but I have to say, I've come around to the other side's point of view, at least in regards to the need for stronger laws.

I don't think that the entire discussion is being held hostage by just one interest group. Like I've said earlier, the NRA under Wayne LaPierre has become a joke and is in desperate need of new leadership. One that fights for gun rights pragmatically and doesn't rely on stupidity, fear, and outright lies.

However, it also doesn't help when the other side has become dominated by people like Michael Bloomberg, Dianne Feinstein, and Carolyn McCarthy. Their rhetoric and attitude and actions have only reinforced the paranoid fears of gun nuts who think that any form of gun control is an affront to their rights. It's because of people like these why we've seen the gun rights extremists become more paranoid, more stubborn, and if you ask me, more stupid.

 

[wiegeabo]

It's the viscous cycle keep feeding into each other's fears, pushing themselves further and further to the fringes.

And all of us in the middle have to sit there and take it because we don't come together and force them to behave.

 

[Thundercrack85]

We agree the NRA is a joke, but they do have real, tangible power. If they were just crazies on the side of the road yelling stuff like Alex Jones, that would be fine, but they are actually writing law.

I think Dianne Feinstein is an untrustworthy hypocrite, but her influence has waned.

 

[hippie_hunter]

We agree the NRA is a joke, but they do have real, tangible power. If they were just crazies on the side of the road yelling stuff like Alex Jones, that would be fine, but they are actually writing law.

That's because they're an actual interest group. That's what interest groups do. Very few laws are actually written by the lawmakers, it's typically the interest groups that want to see legislation moved forward.

I think Dianne Feinstein is an untrustworthy hypocrite, but her influence has waned.

Not really. She still plays a rather big role in gun control debate. She was the one who introduced a new assault weapons ban in Congress that failed, she's gaining in seniority in the Senate, and continues to say things that makes the gun rights extremists more paranoid.

If she wants to make an actual dent in the gun control debate, she needs to go away completely.

 

[mrvlknight21]

Apparently Connecticut is ready to take action against its citizens that did not follow their instructions to register their "assault" weapons (and supposedly magazines with more than 10 round capacity).
Now, some Sheriff's Departments have refused to enforce these laws and the Governor has reportedly tasked the State Police with the enforcement of these laws.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/13/law-abiding-connecticut-gun-owners-may-face-felony-charges-for-failing-to-register-weapons/


According to one article, a draft letter has been prepared that MAY be sent to the people that havent registered to notify them that they have these choices:
Dear Sir/Madam:

We are returning your application for assault weapon certificate and/or large capacity magazine declaration because it was not received or postmarked prior to January 1, 2014 as required by law.

As a result, you have the following options for your assault weapon ...

1. Render the assault weapon permanently inoperable;

2. Sell the assault weapon to a licensed gun dealer;

3. Remove the assault weapon from the state, or ...

4. Relinquish the assault weapon to a police department or to the [state’s] Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection....

Sincerely,

Lt. Eric Cooke, Commanding Officer, Special Licensing and Firearms Unit

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/02/26/is-gun-confiscation-on-the-way-in-connecticut-see-the-notices-the-state-is-reportedly-sending-to-owners-of-illegal-firearms/



I am afraid to see what will happen if/when law enforcement begin to knock on doors of citizens to take action.

 

[dnno1]

Florida man invokes ‘Stand your ground’ after shooting sheriff’s deputy
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/...d-your-ground-after-shooting-sheriffs-deputy/

As it turns out, a Florida judge threw out this defense because the Florida "Stand Your Ground" law exempts law enforcement offices. The thing is that the law is so broadly written that it doesn't exempt lawyers and judges from the law.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I'm all for the concept of "Stand Your Ground" but the Florida law really needs to get rewritten badly. It's just as poorly written as New York's SAFE Act.

 

[Figs]

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...Bribery-And-Corruption-Charges-252452181.html

You would think something on this level would only happen in movies.

He was charged with conspiracy to traffic in firearms without a license, and to illegally import firearms as well as a scheme to defraud citizens of honest services.

Yee, who has been a strong advocate for gun control during his decade in the state Legislature.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...Bribery-And-Corruption-Charges-252452181.html

You would think something on this level would only happen in movies.

Big ol' hypocrite. Funny how much this thing isn't being covered by the national news organizations.

 

[lancimouspitt]

Big ol' hypocrite. Funny how much this thing isn't being covered by the national news organizations.

It makes me sick to my stomach. Preaching about the evils of guns,when you're selling them to criminals yourself. More reason if you ask me to keep yourself armed.

 

[wiegeabo]

Makes perfect sense, though. The harder it is to get guns, the more those black market guns of his are worth, and the more profit he makes on them.

 

[dnno1]

The writer of the article you link to needs to do some research instead of create emotional diatribes and post them on the internet. The case against George Z. did not use Florida's stand your ground law. I do not know how racists still get away with insisting that case was about stand your ground, it was not. But I guess if you'd rather have criminals going home safe each night, then facts are unimportant. (Edit to say: The "you'd" part is a figure of speech pointing to the author, did not mean you personally dnno1.)


The only thing wrong with the "stand your ground" law is its name. I would have called it the "I'm gonna refuse to be murdered or injured by a criminal today" law.

Every State needs laws like the stand your ground law in Florida. Here's 102 great reasons why the people of Florida voted for stand your ground.

stories that happened in Florida

Stand your ground was cited in the jury instructions by the judges. That is why he was found not guilty. Under the section of Justifiable Use of Deadly Force, the instructions said that a person (in that case George Zimerman) would be justified in using deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm. It said nothing about a duty to retreat. This is the same as the stand your ground law.

States never needed the "Stand Your Ground" laws because because the laws on self defense were already in place. It only complicated things by enabling people to be their own judge jury and executioner when they saw an incident that they believed was "a crime" or "life threatening". The use of force now becomes at the discretion of the individual instead of as a last resort.

 

[SV Fan]

Looks like Fort Hood has been attacked again

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...lter-in-place-order-amid-reports-of-shooting/

The Fort Hood military installation in Texas is locked down after a shooting.
Fort Hood confirmed the statement in a shooting shortly after 5:30 p.m. local time (6:30 p.m. on the East Coast).

“There has been a shooting at Fort Hood and injuries are reported,” the statement said.

Three government sources tell us that at least one person has been killed, but no identity is available yet.

David Ross, a Fort Hood official, said the site is fully locked down and “completely sealed” as they search every building.

“There is a confirmed shooting that occurred,” Ross said. “We’re still trying to identify what we have.”

 

[dnno1]

I read were the shooter is dead and there were 14 injured. Not sure who the shooter was though.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

The NRA's Hot New Web Show For Youngs Is Hilariously Bad Poser Garbage

Everybody wants to get a piece of that sweet sweet millennial gold. Even the lead-slug tycoons who bankroll the NRA. Behold "Noir," the gun lobby's can't-miss shot at a hot web series for the hip, urbane American who wants a multicolored gun to match that iPhone case!

"Noir" is the awkward internet TV vehicle for "Colion Noir: Urban Gun Enthusiast," a "Youtube star" raised up as the NRA's cross-demographic savior. Colion who? Colion Noir:

He's young, he's black, he wears caps for baseball teams in major cities in the northeast, and man, he's so edgy! But not so edgy that he can't have a bouncy banter "on firearms, fashion, pop culture and other hot topics" with his cohost Amy Robbins, a brunette Megyn Kelly stand-in.

If you've heard of Noir at all, it's probably because of his MLK day shtick last January about how Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. loved guns. You know, to protect himself from all the racist crazies with guns. Except, of course, for that one racist crazy whose gun fatally sent a bullet into King's cheek, down his spinal cord, and through two arteries and his jugular vein.

The folks at Reason magazine, who love guns but know a ******** pander when they see one, have a compelling list of all the problems with episode one of "Noir." Well, almost all. They forgot to mention the faux-MTV rough cuts and self-consciously cool floaty camera shots, or the cringe-inducing "urban" script copy dropping out of Noir's mouth like it was written by a white Mitch McConnell intern on summer break from Liberty University.

Now, why is the NRA doing this again? Is it to improve the gun lobby's image with youngs and get them to favor Second Amendment rights? Well if that's a byproduct of it, great. But more importantly, "NRA Freestyle presented by Daniel Defense" and "NOIR sponsored by Mossberg" want to sell you some ****ing AR-15s and shotguns, young men, so get on that.

Also, how trustworthy is this Colion Noir? Put another way: Who in good conscience can wear a Yankees hat... and a Phillies hat? A ****ing poser, that's who.

http://vimeo.com/95035237

Wow the NRA is getting desperate these days

 

[mrvlknight21]

The NRA's Hot New Web Show For Youngs Is Hilariously Bad Poser Garbage



http://vimeo.com/95035237

Wow the NRA is getting desperate these days

Not surprising that the NRA (or another gun or pro-gun company) has hired him.
His youtube channel is extremely popular and he IS actually knowledgeable about guns.
I have watched several of his videos over the last 18 months (approximately) and have never heard of any video regarding MLK.
Regardless, I don't care what freaking baseball team hat the guy wears, particularly if he is discussing guns as opposed to the World Series. I know plenty of guys who wear hats according to their outfit (Yankees hat with dark colors, St. Louis Cardinals with reds, etc). Most of those guys couldn't name 2 players on either team.
Again, these days you probably aren't that successful until you have a list of haters, so I guess Colin is on his way to doing well.

 

[Anubis]

I'm one of them. Baseball sucks, but you know what? I like the way Dodgers hats look.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

There's a downtick in Second Amendment paranoia over gun-control legislation that never came to pass, and retailers are jittery about lower gun sales. Says one executive: "[W]e underestimated the decline."

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/pa...as-gun-sales-slump-2014-05-20?dist=beforebell

Funny how people calm down when they realize Obama could care less how many guns they own

 

[Phallic]

So Obama's push for an AWB was all just an act? He reeeeaaallly didn't mean it?

 

[Destructus86]

You know...i'll be honest. I'm really sick of America's obsession with weapons. There SHOULD be stricter gun laws...and if you oppose that then you are part of the problem of gun violence.

 

[hippie_hunter]

So Obama's push for an AWB was all just an act? He reeeeaaallly didn't mean it?

It's not that it was an all an act, but it's not like an AWB was ever going to pass to begin with. To think that Obama was going to magically develop dictatorial powers and suddenly come to your house to take your guns was nothing but pure paranoia.

 

[mrvlknight21]

You know...i'll be honest. I'm really sick of America's obsession with weapons. There SHOULD be stricter gun laws...and if you oppose that then you are part of the problem of gun violence.

I would say that opposing (or supporting) "stricter gun laws" is a little too vague to go labeling anyone "part of the problem of gun violence."