Sequels Do we really have that many villains left?

[Spider-Fan83]

It wasn't necessarily directed at you. It was directed at whoever decided Swarm was one of Spidey's most important villains.

well, just cuase he's on a list of villians doesn't mean, he's thought to be important, just that he was in fact one of spider-man villians

though, i kinda think he's a pretty under rated character

 

[Blader5489]

For Sandman, they basically invented a new character. For these characters, they need to read the comics and say, "Okay, what lies beneath the surface of this character?" You don't create a great character by deciding things about them. You take what you know, and ask questions. Why is he like this? What does he really want? Why does he really want that? And see where those questions take you. Hopefully, you get something organic and real.

I don't think it was a brand new character. In the comics, Marko is very overprotective of his landlords, which was translated into SM3 in which Marko is overly protective of his daughter.

The Uncle Ben connection was new, obviously, but I don't think the movie Sandman was as great a departure from his comic counterpart as you might think.

 

[Blader5489]

You really want SM6 to end with Peter no longer powered and living a life of normalcy and adulthood? Now I'd love that to be the end of the character's story in the comics, if there ever was an end, but doing that in the movies would be such a far departure from the comics fans would **** a chicken fully grown that is ****ting more chickens. That's how pissed they'd be!

You're right, and to be perfectly honest, I'm not 100% comfortable with the idea of a powerless Peter Parker. But as long as Peter has those powers, he will never stop being Spider-Man.

Also, I recommend reading Spider-Man: The Final Adventure. The last two pages of issue 4 really put into perspective about just what Peter without Spider-Man really is. It would be a perfect way to cap off the entire movie series.

As for Carnage, while I agree with making him more of a Sin-Eater type origin character, I'd just point out your storyline is still very much like Venom, even moreso than just the symbiote. A villai ncreated from Peter's powers (through blood instead of symbiote transfer) and carelessness, that Peter feels responsible for existing and guilty for his crimes (except he'd kill more than a few random cops like in SM3).

Just pointing, out.

That's true, but I don't think that angle was ever fully explored in SM3. Venom was more of a foil for Peter; his dark side incarnate. My interpretation of Carnage wouldn't be Peter's mirror image or anything, just a monster born from Peter's power--which, I think, provides a great reason for him to lose his powers. If losing his spider powers means preventing future monstrosities like Carnage, then I think Peter would do so in a heartbeat.

Or, as The Final Adventure puts it: "With great power, comes great responsibility...even if that great responsibility means losing that great power."

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

They don't have to change that many character's like they did with Sandman (I loved Sandman in the film). The reason why Sam changed Sandman was because Sandman had no back story in the comic's. He was just a crook who escaped from prison and swam to a military testing site. Anyway, take Doc Ock for example, he wasn't changed that much. They added a sympathetic side to Ock, but still kept qualities of the character from the comic's. They also added stuff to Eddie Brock's character.

Sam adds things to the character's so that they fit into the story. if there is something that needs and upgrade to be in a film, then Sam would do it.


As for Carnage, I've said this before and I will say it again, I don't think he would work in a Spidey film.

 

[Spider-Fan]

It isn't that hard to take someone like Electro and apply his character to the main focus of the movie. Some of you guys are making this whole villains in future movies thing much harder than it really is.

 

[Arcturus]

I would actually like to see Electro as a villain in a Spider-Man movie, I think he would be effective on-screen, I don't see why not.

 

[DACrowe]

I'm just saying to make these characters work you are going to need to apply changes. It would be like Sandman, whom when I mention, fans go "No that sucked!" Well Sandman is a sympathetic villain who doesn't like what he does, but still does it in the comics. Now he has a daughter who is sick and dying and that is why he is doing it and is so desperate and they gave him a reason to be guilty.

But that is apparently a departure.

 

[Venom 1988]

I'm just saying to make these characters work you are going to need to apply changes. It would be like Sandman, whom when I mention, fans go "No that sucked!" Well Sandman is a sympathetic villain who doesn't like what he does, but still does it in the comics. Now he has a daughter who is sick and dying and that is why he is doing it and is so desperate and they gave him a reason to be guilty.

But that is apparently a departure.

Im pretty sure what fans complained about the most was the whole Uncle Ben angle they added.

 

[Vaportrail]

Another Batman reference, but w/e.

I think that's comperable in Burton's Batman to having the Joker be the one who killed Bruce's parents. Comics have this whole range of characters to work with, but we're quite limited with movies since there's not as much time to have more people or explain them.

However, I don't think that was necessary for Sandman. I did think it was a little weak.

-Vaportrail

 

[Hobgoblin-demon]

Bring back GG for the last Spider-man

the other I don't really care, as long as they do a good job the villains should work.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I would actually like to see Electro as a villain in a Spider-Man movie, I think he would be effective on-screen, don't see why not.

Agreed, Electro is one of those Villians that is perfect for a Spidey film.

 

[KangConquers]

SM4: Lizard/ Kraven
SM5: Chameleon/ Mysterio
SM6: Still not sure.

One thing they can do is have villains playing bit parts in the previous movies; for example, Chameleon, being Kraven's brother, could play a bit part in Spider-Man 4.

It's really a shame that Spidey can't use The Kingpin; that's easily the best villain he has left.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I'd like Kingpin in a Spidey movie too.


But there's far more villains that can be used. We're nowhere near a drought. Lizard, Kraven, Mysterio, Hobgoblin, Vulture, Chameleon, I'd like to see all of them.

 

[Mr Jide]

Mr Socko, you want to see all of them but not everyone else does. That is why there's going to be 6 movies, especially when you consider the big gun villains are all being killed off.

 

[Visionary]

It's really a shame that Spidey can't use The Kingpin; that's easily the best villain he has left.

No he isn't, you've let the 90s series fool you. One punch from Spidey and it's over, and he doesn't even have four tentacle to help him. Kingpin makes a better DareDevil villain.

 

[Stevens25]

Out of the remaining villains,the Lizard is my favorite. After him,I'd like to see Scorpion and although I'm not a huge fan,Carnage would look awesome on screen.

 

[Spiderine]

I'd like Kingpin in a Spidey movie too.


But there's far more villains that can be used. We're nowhere near a drought. Lizard, Kraven, Mysterio, Hobgoblin, Vulture, Chameleon, I'd like to see all of them.

Electro too.

 

[Giant-Man]

I'd say for

SM-4
Lizard, Kraven and Carnage

SM-5
Mysterio, Electro and Black Cat

SM-6
Vultue, Rhino and Kingpin

 

[Spider-Fan]

No he isn't, you've let the 90s series fool you. One punch from Spidey and it's over, and he doesn't even have four tentacle to help him. Kingpin makes a better DareDevil villain.

Agreed

 

[Giant-Man]

Agreed

Double agree

 

[Arcturus]

No he isn't, you've let the 90s series fool you. One punch from Spidey and it's over, and he doesn't even have four tentacle to help him. Kingpin makes a better DareDevil villain.

I completely agree, Vis. Despite previous response, I've never quite understood why Kingpin was such a challenge for Spider-Man. I mean Spidey has stopped a speeding train with his own might! What can Kingpin done? Scarfed down several hundred donuts in one sitting?

 

[greenknight]

There are only 2 villians I want to see in SM4.


Carnage: I have seen a few fan made SM4 trailers and they all had Carnage in them, plus it would be awsome to have him in it, like he could be the one who kills Gwen.


Return of Venom: This will sound crazy, but there is a way he could come back. First of, just because we saw Brock`s skeleton dosen`t mean he was demolished, it just means he`s dead, he could of also been blown to another floor of the building, and That one little bit of the goo still alive, so the part of the goo that`s still alive can grow into the size it originally was and if Brock is still in one piece, he could rebound with Brock and controll him like a puppet, oh, and give birth to Carnage`s suit.

greenknight.

 

[chaseter]

^A hardcore symbiote fan. Lets throw in Toxin as well. If those two are in the same Spider-Man movie, I won't go see it. There are other, classic, better villians with more interesting stories and motives than Venom and his red rehash named Carnage.

Electro, Scorpion, Mysterio, Kraven, and certainly Lizard are staples that I hope are in a future movie.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

No he isn't, you've let the 90s series fool you. One punch from Spidey and it's over, and he doesn't even have four tentacle to help him. Kingpin makes a better DareDevil villain.

Agreed, The Kingpin was cool in the comic's and in the 1990's animated series, but on film he wouldn't work.

 

[Uber Venom]

I'd like to see Kraven and Lizard in SM4. After that....I don't know. I don't even want a 5 and 6 to be honest.