Do you like Superman: The Movie and/or Superman 2 because of nostalgia?

[GreasyPop]

If it was mostly nostalgia then Superman 4 would be well regarded also.

STM is a groundbreaking classic. This iconic dialogue, music and scenes, Reeve's performance, the flawless origin story, the optimism that captures Superman's character, etc.

It doesn't need rose colored glasses.

I mostly agree. I wasn't referring to Superman: The Movie specifically, but more about why people wouldn't admit to simply liking something based on nostalgia alone if they wanted their opinion to be taken seriously.

 

[marvelrobbins]

If it was mostly nostalgia then Superman 4 would be well regarded also.

STM is a groundbreaking classic. This iconic dialogue, music and scenes, Reeve's performance, the flawless origin story, the optimism that captures Superman's character, etc.

It doesn't need rose colored glasses.

I agree though SUperman 4 wasn't even well regarded when it came out in 1987.if your fan of Reeve's superman it may be watchable and a film you may watch once in awhile as a guilty pleasure.

the first superman is contender for the best comic book films ever.As is SUperman II.both Superman III & IV aren't considered to be best comic book films.obviously they are guilty plesure films to some mainly reeve fans.

 

[Babillygunn]

I just watched Superman: The Movie on Netflix for the first time in probably 30 years. As a boy I remember not liking Reeve because his Clark was so nerdy and was always being picked on. Now watching it in my 40s I so enjoy his subtlety and how his Superman is actually a different character from his Clark. Clark is the disguise and Superman seems amused to be the buffoon. It's really quite brilliant. I love Gene Hackman as Lex because, let's face it: he's Gene friggin Hackman. Everyone seems to be having a blast and it feels larger than life. Margot Kidder is definitely the weak spot as her Lois is kind of grating but she was better than I remembered.

In all, I'd say it is high quality and not simply the result of nostalgia.

 

[DawnOfJustice16]

I like Lester's Superman 2 and Donner's Superman The Movie because they are good films .

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

With all the bashing of the current DCEU it has made me take a different perspective on the CR films and see more of their mistakes.

 

[Flint Marko]

How is that a valid reason to re-evaluate a film?

 

[I Am The Knight]

How is that a valid reason to re-evaluate a film?

Pettyness

 

[titansupes]

How ridiculous.

 

[Lantern Venom]

I mostly agree. I wasn't referring to Superman: The Movie specifically, but more about why people wouldn't admit to simply liking something based on nostalgia alone if they wanted their opinion to be taken seriously.

I don't see anything negative about honesty in that department. There are many shows and movies that have flaws which have disclosed themselves to me over time, but they still conjure pleasant childhood feelings.

 

[Babillygunn]

Hey lantern. GO CATS!!!!

 

[Luke234]

Why would anyone freely admit to liking a film based on nostalgia? That's just asking for people to dismiss you out of hand. People want their opinions heard and respected. Saying you love something because you loved it as kid isn't going to do that. And to be Frank, saying you like something simply of the nostalgia is a good enough reason to not take someone seriously. There is nothing wrong with nostalgia as long as you can put it into context. But if you blindly love and defend something just because of nostalgia and ignore any and all criticisms...well, that's not a good thing.

I like the film for pure nostalgia. I would call it a guilty pleasure if not for all the cringeworthy moments , I consider to be very not heroic. But I live seeing such a great guy like Christopher Reeve on screen healthy.
I freely admit it. I like it for nostalgia sake. It's a kid/ family film. It was incredibly hokey. So feel free to not take me seriously.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Hey lantern. GO CATS!!!!

I like the way you think. t:

 

[Tra-El]

I still think out of all the Reeve films, Superman: The Movie holds up the most. It's special in every sense of the word and true cinema art. I recently watched Superman II with a group of people and they couldn't get through it so Superman II certainly doesn't hold up to some and even I find some of it grinding to get through, but the nostalgia will forever tug at my heartstrings, no question.

 

[The Batman]

Superman: The Movie has been added to the National Film Registry.

....Clearly out of nostalgia, though.

 

[LaughterLives]

I like Superman 2 but I never liked Superman:The Movie as a whole.

Also, I like Superman 2 cuz of Zod and Faora. They're expressions and reactions to things is gold. They kill me everytime.

 

[Patchwork Man]

I still think out of all the Reeve films, Superman: The Movie holds up the most. It's special in every sense of the word and true cinema art. I recently watched Superman II with a group of people and they couldn't get through it so Superman II certainly doesn't hold up to some and even I find some of it grinding to get through, but the nostalgia will forever tug at my heartstrings, no question.

Without question.

 

[Lantern Venom]

I like Superman 2 but I never liked Superman:The Movie as a whole.

Also, I like Superman 2 cuz of Zod and Faora. They're expressions and reactions to things is gold. They kill me everytime.

I feel the same. Supes 2 took some of the focus off Hackman's poorly written and poorly acted Luthor and some of the shrill goofiness of Lois was scaled back from the first film. The ending is also far superior. Even with all of its flaws, it had a better idea of what makes a comic book story work.

 

[C. Lee]

I like the Donner films because I consider them good movies. The first one is a great film that is one of the best comic book superhero movies made. I originally had some trouble with the S2 theatrical version when it was released....but then found out that those problems were caused by relief director Richard Lester. He was brought in by the producers (the Salkinds) in an attempt to save money and wrest creative control from Donner. The Donner Cut of S2 released decades later isn't perfect, but it's way better than the theatrical version.

 

[The Joker]

Also, I like Superman 2 cuz of Zod and Faora.

Faora is the under used one from the mega bland Man of Steel. Ursa is the brilliant villainess of Superman 2.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Yeah, Ursa is awesome. I even kinda like Conan the Destroyer because of her. And that outfit she wore in it. Damn, girl!

 

[LaughterLives]

Faora is the under used one from the mega bland Man of Steel. Ursa is the brilliant villainess of Superman 2.

hahaha! You know, I knew it sounded wrong when I typed it but I figured people would know who I meant anyway. hahaha! Thanks for the correction doh.

 

[LaughterLives]

I feel the same. Supes 2 took some of the focus off Hackman's poorly written and poorly acted Luthor and some of the shrill goofiness of Lois was scaled back from the first film. The ending is also far superior. Even with all of its flaws, it had a better idea of what makes a comic book story work.

Its just the better movie to me.
Even the Donner cut was terrible. Ya it gives a more interesting insight but also adds more ridiculous and utter crap. I mean the way Lois gets Clark to reveal his secret was so0oo0o0o0o dumb!
Also correct me if I'm wrong, its been forever but didn't Donner's cut end with Supes going back in time to wipe Lois's memory this time or something?

 

[Lead Cenobite]

Maybe it's because i went into these movies before I ever read a comic but I had no expectations about how Lex was supposed to be portrayed. I never minded the comedy, or any inaccuracies. Still, I don't think Hackman's acting was poor in the least. He was expected to portray Lex as a wisecracker who verbally abuses his underlings and that's what he did.

Also, Superman II may have less of Lex and company's camp due to focusing more on Zod's trio, but Superman is still overall the more well-made movie. I guess it could be said that Superman II is a better Superman movie because the villains are more serious and threatening, but Superman is overall the better acted, better written, better looking movie. And let's not forget that there are quite a few extraneous scenes of comedy in Superman II, like all the sight gags during the Metropolis battle(especially when the villains use their super breath).

 

[BH/HHH]

Maybe it's because i went into these movies before I ever read a comic but I had no expectations about how Lex was supposed to be portrayed. I never minded the comedy, or any inaccuracies. Still, I don't think Hackman's acting was poor in the least. He was expected to portray Lex as a wisecracker who verbally abuses his underlings and that's what he did.

Also, Superman II may have less of Lex and company's camp due to focusing more on Zod's trio, but Superman is still overall the more well-made movie. I guess it could be said that Superman II is a better Superman movie because the villains are more serious and threatening, but Superman is overall the better acted, better written, better looking movie. And let's not forget that there are quite a few extraneous scenes of comedy in Superman II, like all the sight gags during the Metropolis battle(especially when the villains use their super breath).

And part of that is because of Geoffrey Unsworth who was cinematographer on Superman I and the Donner shot scenes of SII. SII was also a hybrid of Donner and Lester too which also effects its quality but not too much.

These are two great movies that were not only great then but great now.

 

[Lead Cenobite]

I'd say the most unforgivable thing about Lester directing is he made the Metropolis fight much less epic than what was planned. It didn't look as good because they wanted to keep the costs down, and it was more cat-and-mouse stuff rather than direct fighting, along with little gimmicks like Superman and Non fighting underground so all we see are people bumbling and stumbling around(this would have been better with actual shots of Superman and Non fighting in the sewer, intercut with pedestrians stumbling from the tremors). I'd like to think Donner wouldn't have had as many in-your-face product placements too, like that Marlboro truck.