Do you support the death penalty

[JC Denton]

I didn't twist anything, though you are.

Please point out to me where I stated that ******ed people could not be punished? Or perhaps where I stated that we should hold their hands?

Sentence them to life in prison without possibility of parole. If you think that spending the resto f your days on Earth in a cell isn't punishment, you're out of your mind.

It is a punishment. It's a punishment for the tax payers that have to pay for their incarceration, when a simply 5.56 to the head will do it just as easily. And you stated they could not be punished when you said "If you're ******ed it's entirely possible you don't even comprehend the difference between right and wrong properly. If you're reatard and you kill someone, you should be locked up, not murdered."
If you kill someone, you should die, not cost society money so that we can keep you alive.

ps - Holding hands is an expression, not meant to be taken literally, and you know it. Asking when you specifically said that is a childish debate technique.

 

[JC Denton]

Yeah but in all honesty, JC is like the right-wing version of Shelby(Where is he anyway?) so it kinda balances out. I'd love to see them two go at it.

Haha
I'll gladly "go at it" with him, but I think it's only fair to tell you that I'm more liberal than anything. We would probably end up agreeing with each other unless the 2004 election were brought up.

 

[Jennifer Lopez]

It is a punishment. It's a punishment for the tax payers that have to pay for their incarceration, when a simply 5.56 to the head will do it just as easily. And you stated they could not be punished when you said "If you're ******ed it's entirely possible you don't even comprehend the difference between right and wrong properly. If you're reatard and you kill someone, you should be locked up, not murdered."
If you kill someone, you should die, not cost society money so that we can keep you alive.

ps - Holding hands is an expression, not meant to be taken literally, and you know it. Asking when you specifically said that is a childish debate technique.

The death penalty costs more. Numerous appeals that take years to finish are part of that, and getting rid of the right to appeal would be ridiculous.

Note that in your quote I say, "you should be locked up." Prison time is punishment.

Obviously "holding hands" was an expression. It's an expression with a certain connotation of sympathy and niceness and sap. None of which I implied. And when I ask you to point out where I said something, I ask because you're either misunderstanding or twisting what I say. If you're not, then by all means, point out where I said this that or the other thing.

It would be cheaper to take convicts out back to the firing squad, but it's unethical and uncivilized. It's not a trade I'm willing to make.

 

[SHELBY_LOWRIE]

I support the death penalty only when there is un-questionable proof that the person is guilty.

However, the death penalty is very hippocritical. The government says that certain crimes like murder are punishable by death...

If the punishment for murder is murder, who can punish the punishers?

 

[JC Denton]

The death penalty costs more. Numerous appeals that take years to finish are part of that, and getting rid of the right to appeal would be ridiculous.

Note that in your quote I say, "you should be locked up." Prison time is punishment.

Obviously "holding hands" was an expression. It's an expression with a certain connotation of sympathy and niceness and sap. None of which I implied. And when I ask you to point out where I said something, I ask because you're either misunderstanding or twisting what I say. If you're not, then by all means, point out where I said this that or the other thing.

It would be cheaper to take convicts out back to the firing squad, but it's unethical and uncivilized. It's not a trade I'm willing to make.

The death penalty cost more because they are kept in prison for so long. If the evidence is good enough (I'll freely admit that the question "who determines what's good enough" is a big obstacle) then they shouldn't wait in line, they should be taken out back and shot, with you protesting in the background

And you implying sympathy when you essentially say that they can't be judged by the same standards.

 

[JC Denton]

I support the death penalty only when there is un-questionable proof that the person is guilty.

However, the death penalty is very hippocritical. The government says that certain crimes like murder are punishable by death...

If the punishment for murder is murder, who can punish the punishers?

 

[Orko Is King]

I think we should bring back crucifiction (sp?). Hang those ****s outside prisons.

 

[Unthinkable]

I support it, as long as there is undeinable proof.

 

[Comic Book Boy]

I would rather see Osama rot in prison for years then see him die right away. (even though he wouldn't survive a day in prison)....(and we will never find him)....

 

[Morg]

Hell yes I support it, I even know someone on death row who murder a friend of mine and I'll be ****ing glad when he finally gets it, sob sure as hell didn't care about killing his gf so we sure as hell shouldn't be bother offing him.

 

[Sandman138]

I do not support it for a very simple reason. Forget ethics and morals... society is hardly ever concerned with these things. I do not support the Death Penalty because it is an exception to the standard law. It allows one to say "it is wrong to kill" and then kill somebody. Exceptions have been a key aspect in the downfalls of societys (Jamestown being the most prominent one in my mind). I see the Death Penalty as an unnessecary exception for the government (War being a nessecary one).

 

[JC Denton]

All society will end, particularly a democracy, saying that ending the death penalty will prevent this is just absurd.

 

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

I can tell you one thing, If you kill someone .. We'll kill you back. Hell, if your going to kill someone don't come here. Go to California, they don't give a ****. And the whole ******ed thing, If he doesn't know we're killing him and it makes me feel better ..

 

[terry78]

I can tell you one thing, If you kill someone .. We'll kill you back. Hell, if your going to kill someone don't come here. Go to California, they don't give a ****. And the whole ******ed thing, If he doesn't know we're killing him and it makes me feel better ..

Do you always do **** just because it makes you feel better?

 

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

Do you always do **** just because it makes you feel better?

... You know what, They can go to Indiana and kill people there too. Doesn't seem like the residents there give a **** either.

 

[danielisthor]

I support it. I even think it isn't used enough and not induced quickly enough.

As far as the whole cost thing goes, the appeals would work out the same. whether he sits in prison for life or is expecting execution, the person is still going to appeal the decision, so that is an empty arguement. That part is going to cost the same. Figure that it costs an american taxpayer (for arguement sake and easy math) $50 a day to house a prisoner. That includes food, clothes, utilities, the guards and support staff, plus the warden, his secretary, etc, etc. Thats $18,250 per year. At age 25, give the guy 50 years thats $912,500. He stays alive for another 9 years and it just cost the american taxpayers 1million dollars to keep him alive and the rest of us safe from him. And that doesn't include inflatuation, higher costs of food and utilities and costs of labor that will rise over that time. Nor does that cover the costs of his appeals. Generally speaking someone on death row is around for about 10 to 12 years (or so it seems here in Flori-duh). That in itself cuts nearly 600,000 from the cost of keeping him alive for 50/60 years. The only reason killing the bastard costs so much is that it has to be done humanely in most states with leathal injection, that is precluded with a pain relief shot. We just aren't allowed to take him out back and put a $2 bullet through his skull. No, but here in good ole Flori-duh we still have ole sparky.

 

[Jason Blood]

I support the death penalty

 

[The Democrat]

No, I don't support the death penalty and Clarence Darrow put it better than I ever could dream too. So read...

Now, your Honor, I have spoken about the war. I believed in it. I don't know whether I was crazy or not. Sometimes I think perhaps I was. I approved of it; I joined in the general cry of madness and despair. I urged men to fight. I was safe because I was too old to go. I was like the rest. What did they do? Right or wrong, justifiable or unjustifiable - which I need not discuss to-day - it changed the world. For four long years the civilized world was engaged in killing men. Christian against Christian, barbarian uniting with Christians to kill Christians; anything to kill. It was taught in every school, aye in the Sunday schools. The little children played at war. The toddling children on the street. Do you suppose this world has ever been the same since then? How long, your Honor, will it take for the world to get back the humane emotions that were slowly growing before the war? How long will it take the calloused hearts of men before the scars of hatred and cruelty shall be removed?


[...]

Your Honor knows that in this very court crimes of violence have increased growing out of the war. Not necessarily by those who fought but by those that learned that blood was cheap, and human life was cheap, and if the State could take it lightly why not the boy? There are causes for this terrible crime. There are causes, as I have said, for everything that happens in the world. War is a part of it; education is a part of it; birth is a part of it; money is a part of it - all these conspired to compass the destruction of these two poor boys. Has the court any right to consider anything but these two boys? The State says that your Honor has a right to consider the welfare of the community, as you have. If the welfare of the community would be benefited by taking these lives, well and good. I think it would work evil that no one could measure. Has your Honor a right to consider the families of these two defendants? I have been sorry, and I am sorry for the bereavement of Mr. and Mrs. Frank, for those broken ties that cannot be healed. All I can hope and wish is that some good may come from it all. But as compared with the families of Leopold and Loeb, the Franks are to be envied - and everyone knows it.

[...]

To spend the balance of their days in prison is mighty little to look forward to, if anything. Is it anything? They may have the hope that as the years roll around they might be released. I do not know. I do not know. I will be honest with this court as I have tried to be from the beginning. I know that these boys are not fit to be at large. I believe they will not be until they pass through the next stage of life, at forty-five or fifty. Whether they will then, I cannot tell.

[...] It will be easy to-day; but in Chicago, and reaching out over the length and breadth of the land, more and more fathers and mothers, the humane, the kind and the hopeful, who are gaining an understanding and asking questions not only about these poor boys, but about their own - these will join in no acclaim at the death of my clients. These would ask that the shedding of blood be stopped, and that the normal feelings of man resume their sway. And as the days and the months and the years go on, they will ask it more and more. But, your Honor, what they shall ask may not count. I know the easy way. I know your Honor stands between the future and the past. I know the future is with me, and what I stand for here; not merely for the lives of these two unfortunate lads, but for all boys and all girls; for all of the young, and as far as possible, for all of the old. I am pleading for life, understanding, charity, kindness, and the infinite mercy that considers all. I am pleading that we overcome cruelty with kindness and hatred with love. I know the future is on my side. Your Honor stands between the past and the future. You may hang these boys; you may hang them by the neck until they are dead. But in doing it you will turn your face toward the past. In doing it you are making it harder for every other boy who in ignorance and darkness must grope his way through the mazes which only childhood knows. In doing it you will make it harder for unborn children. You may save them and make it easier for every child that sometime may stand where these boys stand. You will make it easier for every human being with an aspiration and a vision and a hope and a fate. I am pleading for the future; I am pleading for a time when hatred and cruelty will not control the hearts of men. When we can learn by reason and judgment and understanding and faith that all life is worth saving, and that mercy is the highest attribute of man.

 

[Sandman138]

All society will end, particularly a democracy, saying that ending the death penalty will prevent this is just absurd.

No, but it lends to a more stable society which is reason enough for me. It is an unnessasary exception and I see no valid reason to keep it.

 

[smeagol4prez]

I'm for it, and I also feel they should all be televised live on network TV.

LMFAO!!

C'mon children, let's all gather around and watch this poor man get 10,000 volts of eletricity put into him..........sweeeet...

I'm sure everybody who said they were against the death penalty would feel differently if the person on trial murdered one of their family members. I fully support the death penalty and strongly believe that any murderer, serial rapist or pedaphile (sp?) should be hung, until he is dead, dead, dead.

 

[JC Denton]

No, but it lends to a more stable society which is reason enough for me. It is an unnessasary exception and I see no valid reason to keep it.

The presence of more dangerously unstable individuals leads to a more stable society? Perhaps you should invest in an English dictionary, so avoid making so obvious a mistake in the future.

 

[Franklin Richards]

The Death Penalty has never been a deterrant <sp?> to crime. Here in Texas we kill people all the time and it hasn't changed anything. The Death Penalty is hipocracy. "He killed that guy. He's lower than scum. Let's kill him!" Rehabilitation is the only answer. These people deserve our pity not our wrath. People who believe in the Death Penalty are only concerned with how it makes them feel. It's selfish, egotistical, and prideful.

 

[Franklin Richards]

all you Christians need to ask yourself...

What Would Jesus Do?

 

[JC Denton]

It isn't meant to be a deterrent, it's meant to remove them from society, so they no longer crowd our jails, murder other prisoners, and cost us money. If you kill someone, your rights are of no concern to me.

 

[JC Denton]

all you Christians need to ask yourself...

What Would Jesus Do?

Reading the Bible produces many examples of genocides against "wicked" peoples, so more than likely, Jesus would stand firmly behind me on this one, and would gladly execute these people.