Superman Returns Do you want a sequel, or start over from scratch?

[Triligors]

They were all restarts- at least I think so- problem was most of them sucked, and I mean really sucked. The only good one, I thought, was Kevin Smith's Superman screenplay. But, that was when Tim Burton came on board and ****ed everything demanding a re-write coming up with ****in concept art that was- the **** is that?! Etc. Kevin Smith had a great thing going for him and the character until Burton came along. Don't get me wrong, Burton's a great director on certain project- just not Superman.

 

[WormyT]

I was very worried about Burtons take on 'Superman'. I'd be scared he may not get it. I heard him describe Superman as a 'Beautiful Freak'. Eh NO Burton, theres no freaks, no clowns, no Goths in Superman. Plus he was dead set on using Nick Cage.

Superman Returns in my view goes into a new genre of movie type called "Oh F()CI(! WHat now"
These are movies that potentially crippled the possibility of sequels by splitting the fans 50/50.

Other movies in this category are,

Alien3- You killed off Newt, Hicks and Ripley in one movie. WOW.
The Hulk- WTF was that s#!t? How do you make a boring movie about a rampaging Hulk.

 

[Triligors]

Personally I see SR as a "transition" movie, capturing some of the old fans of the Donner and moving on into a more 'comic book' universe. Which I think/ hope will happen. Because I've read all of the behind the scenes books and there are ALOT of seeds planted in Superman Returns for the future that many here don't even know about. Such as what the Vanderworth fortune actually entails- and it's not just a mansion and a fancy cruise ship.

Steven Vanderworth- already rich from a shipping fortune made by his great grandparents, used his business skill to expand the Vanderworth company into a vast international conglomerate. His wealth brought even more fame to Metropolis, and the city- including its newspaper, the Daily Planet- happily sang his praises.

There is also a newspaper with headlines such as:

VANDERWORTH TOPS THE FORTUNE 500!!

MR. VANDERWORTH IS PART OF THE ELITE WEALTHY

VANDERWORTH TRADITIONS OF CORPORATE SUCCESS LIVES ON

Guess who got the entire Vanderworth fortune? Yep, that's right- Lex Luthor.

Note: The above information comes 'Superman Returns: The Visual Guide'

I also think I remember hearing Singer say that the sequel will use alot of aspects of the current Superman comic books. As I said, I've seen some of the possible seeds for where the sequel might go. So, for those wanting corporate Lex- corporate Lex might be here already and we don't even know it.

 

[The Kid]

I was very worried about Burtons take on 'Superman'. I'd be scared he may not get it. I heard him describe Superman as a 'Beautiful Freak'. Eh NO Burton, theres no freaks, no clowns, no Goths in Superman. Plus he was dead set on using Nick Cage.

Superman Returns in my view goes into a new genre of movie type called "Oh F()CI(! WHat now"
These are movies that potentially crippled the possibility of sequels by splitting the fans 50/50.

Other movies in this category are,

Alien3- You killed off Newt, Hicks and Ripley in one movie. WOW.
The Hulk- WTF was that s#!t? How do you make a boring movie about a rampaging Hulk.

You make the hulk too human. If there's a fault I can find in my mind with their interpretation of hulk is that he's sulking a little too much and we begin to lose the jekyl/hyde (spelled right?) split between him and banner. Hulk's still hulk, still big, green, smashing ****, but they may have gone overboard and downplayed his rampaging monster aspect I think and made him too nice. It's better handled in that Avengers movie where you really see why Banner fears becoming the hulk. This, I hope is what they're looking to rectify in the sequel, rather than add explosions and hulk smash.

I re-edited the hulk movie to make Hulk like Jaws, just this unstoppable monster that the army can't have a hope of stopping and it's so much better. For example, when Ross has his troops blow the **** out of the canyon hulk is hiding in, I edit out the part where we see hulk struggle to free himself from the rubble and comes up gasping. It makes him look too weak and like a puny human. In my cut, the hulk is believed to have been destroyed, but of course off screen he got out somehow, because he's a badass and can't be destroyed so easily. works much better that way, I think.

 

[X Knight]

I agree with you about the Hulk movie, Wesyeed.........I think that by making the film a little too "artsy", Ang kind of lost the monstrous and nightmarish quality of the Hulk......the Hulk wasn't angry or savage enough......

and good observation triligors......I suppose that does fit into the whole opportunistic Lex persona......but I still wish/hope we get Lexcorp or Luthorcorp........

also.....it's a shame that Lex lost all of the crystals.......he talked about building weapons, defense systems, etc.......perhaps they will play that up in the sequel.....

and....of course....we got the whole New Krypton ( WITH THE CRYSTALS ) still floating around in space.........perhaps that will be a "breeding" ground for some alien menace.......Braniac??? Doomsday???? Pikachu????

 

[Triligors]

Brainiac is alien technology. And I've only seen TAS, but doesn't Brainiac search for new planets with technology and then destroy them? Seems to me that NK will probably act as a homing beacon of a sorts possibly. There is a reason it's in outerspace.

The reason why I think Singer took a "transition" route instead of complete restart is that, similarly to Batman Begins, it would probably confuse alot of the general audience in the process. I mean, how many times did we hear the general audience say that Batman Begins was a remake? Lol. So, as long as Singer does continue the transition- it's all good in my books.

And as for shutting up Lois- if need be- if, and I think it does, part of the Vanderworth fortune includes Vanderworth Corp. that would mean that Lex owns the Daily Planet.

 

[The Kid]

I just watched Sky Captain again after a long while and I must say HOLY **** that movie's so ****ing cool. I would be in heaven if that's how superman was done in a restart sort of thing for the next.

 

[X Knight]

yes....Lois was kind of b**** in SR......quite frankly I don't see why any of the guys were lusting after her.......

 

[resentment]

^ Lol!! I agree so much. When I watched it all I could think is "WTF does Superman see in her?" She isn't even that attractive, not saying she isn't, but dayam, he could do way better.

 

[Kabuki_Jo]

She really isn't that attractive...not to mention she's so skinny, Superman would break her bones when hugging her close.

 

[Malone]

I think a restart, with some fresh villains, would be great.

 

[Venom71]

yes....Lois was kind of b**** in SR......quite frankly I don't see why any of the guys were lusting after her.......

I agree

 

[Cold2daToucH004]

Every other director that was attached, wanted to change the suit. I definetly wasn't ok with that.

Every other director attached, wanted to re-write the history the donner films set for us. Me, being a Donner fan... would have been pretty pissed if they just disreguarded the work done in those films.

Bryan stayed very, VERY, true to Superman's roots, and there is nothing more that I ask. Only problem I can think of, was the kid in the movie... but even that played off perfect in the end, IMO.

I don't trust this movie with any other director but Bryan because I know he isn't a guy just looking for explosions and a popcorn flick. He made the movie clever, smart, and added an interesting take on Superman. Some people might not agree, and everyone is entitled to their own opinions. But if Bryan would have strayed far away from the Donner flicks, and made a Superman movie with a different suit, sayyy... black leather, I'm sure you guys woulda been ticked. Way ticked. Superman was never an MTV style pop icon. He's a frickin legend, and deserved the ultimate treatment. Yes, we do need a little more action in the next one. But I still want the character depth this one had.

Here's hoping Bryan and crew come back for another one.

 

[Triligors]

Every other director that was attached, wanted to change the suit. I definetly wasn't ok with that.

Every other director attached, wanted to re-write the history the donner films set for us. Me, being a Donner fan... would have been pretty pissed if they just disreguarded the work done in those films.

Bryan stayed very, VERY, true to Superman's roots, and there is nothing more that I ask. Only problem I can think of, was the kid in the movie... but even that played off perfect in the end, IMO.

I don't trust this movie with any other director but Bryan because I know he isn't a guy just looking for explosions and a popcorn flick. He made the movie clever, smart, and added an interesting take on Superman. Some people might not agree, and everyone is entitled to their own opinions. But if Bryan would have strayed far away from the Donner flicks, and made a Superman movie with a different suit, sayyy... black leather, I'm sure you guys woulda been ticked. Way ticked. Superman was never an MTV style pop icon. He's a frickin legend, and deserved the ultimate treatment. Yes, we do need a little more action in the next one. But I still want the character depth this one had.

Here's hoping Bryan and crew come back for another one.

 

[Kabuki_Jo]

Here's hoping Bryan and crew come back for another one.

Hopefully they won't.

Everyone's entitled to an opinion and I respect yours.

Peace...

 

[resentment]

This thread totally rocks my socks off. It's AMAZING how many people I knew that went to go see that movie thought it sucked so much bizzles. I think my mom and a couple of my friends thought it was good, along with myself...thaaat about covers it, everyone else complained about something. It's wild to see so many fans on these boards usually with a wide variance of opinions all amass to pretty much say they'd like to see something different next show time, even if it means a whole reboot. I think it would be the coolest thing ever to get another "reboot" 3-4 years from now when the bad taste that SR left in so many people's mouths has been rinsed and forgotten about. Though I thought SR was great, as I do pretty much anything Superman related, I still feel there was too much stuff the 'general public' didn't like about the movie, and the revenue earned thus far completely proves my point. 100 million below the estimated earnings? Youch.

 

[DavidTyler]

As to recasting... I'd say Leave Langella but give him a look at the animated version of the character... and definitely a new Jimmy... also modeled after the animated version. The bow tie is done.

I don't care if they leave Routh in place nor does Bosworth bother me as Lois. Just have them tighten up her Lois and have Routh stop with the Reeve impression. In fact, the art director needs to get in and give Routh's 'Clark' more of the look in the comics and not this warmed over Donner version.

Spacey can stay. He was decent. Just make him more of the corporate shark and less like a cheesy con-man. Kitty? Sorry .. she has to go. Give him a 'Mercy'. A female bodyguard.

And make it a restart with a new non-crystaline Krypton, a new YOUNG Jor-el, and a decent script written by people who know the comics instead of the Donner film. Face it, the Donner film is based on a Superman that was kind of out of date when it came out. Also.. no illegitimate kid in the restart.

And for the love of god, fix that damned costume.

Has this film even made it's money back yet?

 

[Scarlet Spider]

I was very worried about Burtons take on 'Superman'. I'd be scared he may not get it. I heard him describe Superman as a 'Beautiful Freak'. Eh NO Burton, theres no freaks, no clowns, no Goths in Superman. Plus he was dead set on using Nick Cage.

I'm with you on Tim Burton ever taking on Superman (you couldn't have a bigger mismatch of Director to source material and some of the things they were planning on doing with Superman, were just insane) but something interesting to note, the casting of Nicolas Cage actually predated Burton even signing on to direct. Jon Peters cast Cage in the role. Supposebly, Tim Burton's first choice for the role was Ralph Fiennes.

 

[highguard]

3. TONE DOWN the christ imagery. We get it!

NO, you don't.

What you saw of Superman's portrayal in this movie was not very close to Christ at all.

Superman in this movie was a show off, clueless and not wise enough to know you can't leave a woman you have slept with alone for 5 years and come back and think you can just pick up where you left off.

If you have a beef with Christ, well you have a lot of company, but please don't blame this debacle of a movie on Him.

Almost all truly great drama has some references to the greatest story of all, but this one was simply poorly written and had no heart.

Superman did not remind me of Christ in this movie at all. Richard came closest in my opinion but you know he is going to end up the loser in the love triangle.

Man the writers sucked on this thing.

I don't think they really understand enough of the Massiah story to be able to translate it properly in this movie.

They may be paying lip service to Superman's close symbolism with Christ, but that was all it was, lip service and like so much of the movie it did not quite ring true.

 

[CGHulk]

What about Jason recognizing Clark as Superman at the Daily Planet? So in the sequel will he tell mommy, Clark is Superman, and the cat will be out of the bag? How will Lex get off the island, will he kill Kitty. Will he use his millions to begin to build Lexcorp? Will Brainiac discover New Krypton floating out in space? Will Lois profess her true love to Superman, after, Richard being the good guy he is, reminds her who she truly loves, and gives her up? Will Zod be tied into this film, because of the new ending added on to the Donner Cut of Superman II? Will Singer change the Superman suit due to all the fans critical reaction? Will Singer use more taglines and dialgue from the Donner films, like,"Kneel before Zod!"

 

[The Kid]

NO, you don't.

What you saw of Superman's portrayal in this movie was not very close to Christ at all.

Superman in this movie was a show off, clueless and not wise enough to know you can't leave a woman you have slept with alone for 5 years and come back and think you can just pick up where you left off.

If you have a beef with Christ, well you have a lot of company, but please don't blame this debacle of a movie on Him.

Almost all truly great drama has some references to the greatest story of all, but this one was simply poorly written and had no heart.

Superman did not remind me of Christ in this movie at all. Richard came closest in my opinion but you know he is going to end up the loser in the love triangle.

Man the writers sucked on this thing.

I don't think they really understand enough of the Massiah story to be able to translate it properly in this movie.

They may be paying lip service to Superman's close symbolism with Christ, but that was all it was, lip service and like so much of the movie it did not quite ring true.

Dayum

alright then. maybe he needs a little more christ influence...

 

[WTFwuzThT]

On that note, complete restart. This is already so ****ed up it's not fixable.

 

[The Kid]

Not fixable?

I've thought about it for a long time and I think unfortunately that's true. Let's disregard Vague history for a minute. There's no way back unless they go the Batman begins route. In a way I feel betrayed as a former member of the DosV and GSAC. I loved x-men 1 and 2, loved Bryan Singer as an artist and would be the first to say how perfect it was that he was chosen to Nolanize Superman for a new generation. but...

He didn't.

I can't believe it. It's a shock. Millions of dollars were spent to do a quasi-sequel thing to an over two decade old set of films. I loved STM too, but come on... let's not get carried away. There's a lot to be done, so many adventures to be had yet, that don't revolve around Luthor land grabs.

Can supes be more than a Donner-buttkiss? It's a curious position for one who respects singer so much to see him go this route of remixing an old film, like maybe a musician would do a remix of an old song. Superman imo, deserves better, bigger, and more than an expensive fan film.

Thank God For Nolan.

 

[SatEL]

I would love them to restart the franchise the only bad thing that would happen there is they wont be able to use Brandon. They could write return of as the final chapter to the Doner films.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Every other director that was attached, wanted to change the suit. I definetly wasn't ok with that.

Every other director attached, wanted to re-write the history the donner films set for us. Me, being a Donner fan... would have been pretty pissed if they just disreguarded the work done in those films.

Bryan stayed very, VERY, true to Superman's roots, and there is nothing more that I ask. Only problem I can think of, was the kid in the movie... but even that played off perfect in the end, IMO.

I don't trust this movie with any other director but Bryan because I know he isn't a guy just looking for explosions and a popcorn flick. He made the movie clever, smart, and added an interesting take on Superman. Some people might not agree, and everyone is entitled to their own opinions. But if Bryan would have strayed far away from the Donner flicks, and made a Superman movie with a different suit, sayyy... black leather, I'm sure you guys woulda been ticked. Way ticked. Superman was never an MTV style pop icon. He's a frickin legend, and deserved the ultimate treatment. Yes, we do need a little more action in the next one. But I still want the character depth this one had.

Here's hoping Bryan and crew come back for another one.

I totally agree with this post.