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Do you want kinberg and zak penn to write the next x-men movie?

Do you want simon kinberg and zak penn to return as writers for X4?

  • YES! i would love them to write more x-men movies

  • HELL NO! they messed up the franchise and should keep away from it


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HELL NO, I don't want them to write anymore X-men Movies because they only care about their ****ing Wolverine.
 
Hulkster said:
HELL NO, I don't want them to write anymore X-men Movies because they only care about their ****ing Wolverine.

LOL
 
I voted no because I think the dialogue so far is a little cheesy or odd. I wouldn't mind one of them staying though.
 
Hell no. I don't want them to write anything that I care about.
 
Based on what we know atm I'd have to vote NO: Any writers that can kill off a major character from the books, in-spite of fan protests, removing said character from a storyline they were vital to in the books, then compound that error by contriving to have the films two strong guys* avoid fighting each other? Nope. These guys simply don't deserve another shot at the franchise (imho).

However...none of this means the film itself will be awful and I'm sure a lot of fans here will love it regardless, as will the general cinema audience if the film is indeed good. But for me when the writers take too much of a liberty from the source, or blatantly miss an opportunity for what should be a no-brainer match-up fans are dying to see, then I don't think they should work on the characters ever again.

*Nearly all the reports from the press screenings indicate there is no Juggernaut colossus fight. There is one report says they do but that so far in uncorrobarated.
 
Simon and Zak deliberately misled us on something regarding X3...so my confidence in them is low even though they've written Halle a good role at the expense of James Marsden. So that's bad in my books. Get someone like Joss Whedon to write and direct :)
 
wobbly said:
Based on what we know atm I'd have to vote NO: Any writers that can kill off a major character from the books, in-spite of fan protests, removing said character from a storyline they were vital to in the books, then compound that error by contriving to have the films two strong guys* avoid fighting each other? Nope. These guys simply don't deserve another shot at the franchise (imho).

However...none of this means the film itself will be awful and I'm sure a lot of fans here will love it regardless, as will the general cinema audience if the film is indeed good. But for me when the writers take too much of a liberty from the source, or blatantly miss an opportunity for what should be a no-brainer match-up fans are dying to see, then I don't think they should work on the characters ever again.

*Nearly all the reports from the press screenings indicate there is no Juggernaut colossus fight. There is one report says they do but that so far in uncorrobarated.


Well.... they may have written the deaths, but they did have specific instructions on characters. They are not all-powerful. Forces bigger than the writers were at work here! Simon says they did the best they could with what was available to them, and I believe him. Why would they deliberately do something to anger fans? Would the writers be rubbing their hands in glee at upsetting Cyclops fans? I doubt it. As soon as Singer left and then Marsden joined him, Cyclops' fate was sealed. Even when Singer was with Fox, Cyclops got marginalised in X2, and Simon Kinberg had nothing to do with that. Don't be so quick to blame writers.

Seriously. It's time to let this go.
 
X-Maniac said:
Well.... they may have written the deaths, but they did have specific instructions on characters. They are not all-powerful. Forces bigger than the writers were at work here! Simon says they did the best they could with what was available to them, and I believe him. Why would they deliberately do something to anger fans? Would the writers be rubbing their hands in glee at upsetting Cyclops fans? I doubt it. As soon as Singer left and then Marsden joined him, Cyclops' fate was sealed. Even when Singer was with Fox, Cyclops got marginalised in X2, and Simon Kinberg had nothing to do with that. Don't be so quick to blame writers.
Until we know exactly what Kinberg & Penn were told regarding Cyclops role then we only have them, the writers of the piece, to hold responsible for his death.
Now if they say themselves they were ordered to kill him, then fair enough, their hands were tied and the blame for that lies with Fox, but if it was a case of reducing his role then these guys took a poor route to acheive this: A good writer would have seen a reduced role while keeping him still important to the saga's conclusion as a challenge, not an excuse to kill him (btw, they have indicated that the death was their idea, with their comments on war bringing death and so on).

Seriously. It's time to let this go.

It's that kind of thinking that leads to more adaptations getting the shaft by the screen-writers. If we do all just 'let this go', then we fans can have no complaints when further adaptations, and the characters contained thierin, get similarly handled.
 
i have to wait until may 26, but there are two scenarios:
X-men being handled to Sony or any other good company: YES!!!!!!!
X-men staying on Fox: HELL NO!!!!
because i think they truly have a good knowledge of X-men world, but they just need a studio which can make them free to put their own decisions, and not be subdued by the studio's will.
they arent powerful enough to maintain their own wishes on the characters yet.
 
xwolverine2 said:
unless they can find better ...yes
Agreed, it doesn't sound badly written at all, it could have been ALOT worse.
But, I'll make my final desiscion on the 26th.
 
I don't think they messed up the franchise. But I think a new director and new screenwriters are definitely in order.
I'd love to see Goyer write and someone like David Cronenberg or Paul Greengrass directing.
 
Its not just the fact that they killed of Cyclops and replaced with Wolverine. That may or may not have been strict orders from Darth Rothman. But the dialogue is mediocre and in many places cheesy. Nothing of the subtle coolness of X1 and X2 which were mostly written by Singer's team.

"Prove it."
"You're a dick."
"Ok!"

--
"What do they call you? Wheels?"
--
"You were an animal then and you're an animal now, Wolverine. I just gave you claws."
 
FieryBalrog said:
Its not just the fact that they killed of Cyclops and replaced with Wolverine. That may or may not have been strict orders from Darth Rothman. But the dialogue is mediocre and in many places cheesy. Nothing of the subtle coolness of X1 and X2 which were mostly written by Singer's team.

"Prove it."
"You're a dick."
"Ok!"

--
"What do they call you? Wheels?"
--
"You were an animal then and you're an animal now, Wolverine. I just gave you claws."

You are being sarcastic, right?
 
I'd love to pretend that X-MEN and X2 were perfect, with perfect dialogue, story, character development and characterization, but they weren't. X3 likely also won't be perfect. Like the first two films, X3 strikes me as a fantastic combination of action and character moments, and an intelligent, relevant story. I could care less about who killed off who, as Kinberg and Penn do not get to make those calls. I care about how they WRITE those elements. How those scenes are "executed". Given the dialogue I've seen (some of it is a bit lighthearted, but most of it works on several levels, and there is definitely some subtlety to much of it), if the movie holds up to be as good, I'm all for their return, as they clearly want to bring Gambit in, are toying with Mr. Sinister and Apocalypse, and wish to continue developing the younger X-Men, and continue the stories of Angel and Beast.
 
Considering I haven't seen the movie. I can't comment on either. Because if I did...well...that'd be kind of stupid.
 
I'm hoping for David Goyer, myself.
 
if FOX wasn't heavily involved with how the story went, then yes
 
Endeavor said:
Amen to that! Claremont is teh suck!
Claremont didn't start sucking until his "return" to the comics. Before then, he wrote literally 15 years not just good comics, but ****ing fantastic comics that not only were solely responsible for X-Men's current popularity, but actually saved X-Men from the comic graveyard which is cancellation. So Claremont is far from "teh suck".
 
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