The Amazing Spider-Man Does a Lizard with no snout bother you? If so, why?

[Troy_Parker]

The promo art (it's not concept art. Why would they use an incomplete design for promos?) looks just like this.

Therefore I have reason to believe it's exactly what we'll see on film.

EDIT: God dammit, Troy and me posted the same picture. At the same time.

You're posting photos of Comic Con footage...you realize that everyone that has seen the SDCC footage has said that this is very much like the Lizard, and that the only difference is that he's bigger and more intimidating?

I'm acting like it's fact, because it is fact. You honestly think they wouldn't so much as mention something like multiple forms during the duration of a 40 minute panel?

Wishful thinking gets you nowhere friends.


RIM, our most reliable source, has stated that it is promo art. What marketing genius goes and says, "HEY I HAVE A GREAT IDEA! LET'S PUBLICIZE AN EARLY VERSION OF THE LIZARD COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTEXT!"

 

[Juicy J]

If that piece of concept art is indeed the final look, why is it that in the blurry screen shot from the trailer the lizard clearly has a MUCH larger mouth and a MUCH larger neck?
Someone please clear that up for me, cause I'm sincerely confused.

 

[VenomSpawn]

If that piece of concept art is indeed the final look, why is it that in the blurry screen shot from the trailer the lizard clearly has a MUCH larger mouth and a MUCH larger neck?
Someone please clear that up for me, cause I'm sincerely confused.

Because it's a side view? The promo art looks exactly the same as the frontal view from the Comic-Con footage.

 

[Juicy J]

Because it's a side view? The promo art looks exactly the same as the frontal view from the Comic-Con footage.

Side view? Sorry, but that honestly does not cut it. The differences in size are to large to blame it on the angle, that just doesn't account for it. Especially the mouth. Look at the picture again, and just compare the sizes of the mouth.

 

[Spider-Who?]

This front shot.

Ah! Cool! I hadn't seen this image before. Thanks.

Hard to say about it in comparison to the PEZ. All humanoid heads tend to have an oval shape, lol. Though, based on how the shadow drapes across his face, I'd take that as sign of a snout. The shadow wouldn't be shaped like that if he had a flat human face.

I doubt they'd market the Lizard in his least threatening form... unless the more primal version was supposed to be a surprise, like in the last battle or something.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

 

[VenomSpawn]

Side view? Sorry, but that honestly does not cut it. The differences in size are to large to blame it on the angle, that just doesn't account for it. Especially the mouth. Look at the picture again, and just compare the sizes of the mouth.

But the side view and frontal views are from the same scene from Comic-Con. They're not different at all, it's just all about perspective.

 

[Spider-Who?]

I can do that, too.

Spoiler

You're posting photos of Comic Con footage...you realize that everyone that has seen the SDCC footage has said that this is very much like the Lizard, and that the only difference is that he's bigger and more intimidating?

There you go again, contradicting yourself in the same breath. "It's the same exact thing...Only different!"

Look at RIM's thoughts on the different images:

I don't know man, but it's definitely not the same. That's the thing about promo art in general: it could be similar to the final product or bear some resemblance to it, but in the end - it's just it's just not going to be the same.

Dude, it's not even close to what was shown in that SDCC footage. That thing (yes, it's damn scary) was huge, deadly and sinister.

What did you call RIM? Oh yeah:

our most reliable source!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <emphasis added>

So if he says that the promo art is "not even close to what was shown in" the CC footage, I'll believe him.

You honestly think they wouldn't so much as mention something like multiple forms during the duration of a 40 minute panel?

You actually think that they would spoil everything about a movie at a panel a year before the films release? Never mind the fact that with a character like the lizard, a depiction of his transformation - whether over several separate transformations, or one long gradual evolution - is kind of obvious.

RIM, our most reliable source, has stated that it is promo art. What marketing genius goes and says, "HEY I HAVE A GREAT IDEA! LET'S PUBLICIZE AN EARLY VERSION OF THE LIZARD COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTEXT!"

To answer your question bluntly, yes. Its called teasing the audience. Don't show them everything. Give them enough to whet their appetite and they'll want more/be surprised in the movie when more is shown.

But the problem is, they didn't publish it. It was LEAKED. Stolen. I'm going to assume you don't know much about art production and how companies work, but there are MANY images created, and often times, even conceptual art is used/considered for use ("why waste money making new art when we can reuse old assets?"). They pick and choose the ones they want to use, depending on the quality of the image, how well it represents the movie, the time frame of the image's publication, and the manner in which it is being published. Just because an image is made under the guise of "promotion" doesn't automatically mean its 100% representative of the final product, nor if going to be used. If Sony had actually published this image in an official capacity, then I would not have much to say, but they didn't. And again, RIM ("our most reliable source") has said that it looks nothing like the SDCC footage.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Here's an interesting question...how do you think Peter will find out the Lizard is actually Connors? Will it be from finding his lab work/journals? Or maybe from looking at the lizard's face and recognizing some of his human features?

Name tag on lab coat.

 

[VenomSpawn]

Name tag on lab coat.

But he won't be wearing a lab coat as the Lizard....

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Well, as far as we know....

 

[Troy_Parker]

I can do that, too.
And again, RIM ("our most reliable source") has said that it looks nothing like the SDCC footage.

But he also said this earlier... when we saw the Pez head.

It has the likeness that I saw in SDCC footage + unlike Eric, I don't remember ANY lab coat during the toilet scene (yeah, we've met at Comic-Con). Even Bleeding Cool is saying the same thing I've said yesterday = 'I can verify that the face of this Pez dispenser does indeed match the face of The Lizard as I saw it in early footage from The Amazing Spider-Man.'

Soo...

Yeah.

Personally, I think we're not going to be seeing a primal Lizard like many people are talking about.

His face looks flatter from the front... not the side.

Hell, even in the promo art you can clearly see that his mouth extends slightly past his eyes, like it does in the leaked Comic Con footage screenshot...

 

[Juicy J]

But the side view and frontal views are from the same scene from Comic-Con. They're not different at all, it's just all about perspective.

Uh...I'm talking about comparing this:

to this

Note the HUGE differences in the size of the mouth and the size of the neck. That's what I was talking about, not sure exactly what you meant. How do you account for that, if indeed these are both the final look of the lizard?

 

[Spiderman6592]

I can do that, too.

Spoiler

There you go again, contradicting yourself in the same breath. "It's the same exact thing...Only different!"

Hurrr durrrr it's not different, it's bigger. Not a contradiction at all.

Look at RIM's thoughts on the different images:



What did you call RIM? Oh yeah:



So if he says that the promo art is "not even close to what was shown in" the CC footage, I'll believe him.

I forgot where RIM said, "DON'T WORRY GUISE DARE R MORE THAN 1 FORM OF DA LIZARD."

In fact, he was the one calling anyone that thought that was the case silly and misinformed...

You actually think that they would spoil everything about a movie at a panel a year before the films release? Never mind the fact that with a character like the lizard, a depiction of his transformation - whether over several separate transformations, or one long gradual evolution - is kind of obvious.

Telling us that the Lizard would undergo a gradual transformation is no more a spoiler than telling us Peter would develop his webshooters on his own. lol You're trying to misconstrue this as some huge plot point when it's not. It's not that significant. Why? BECAUSE YOUR THEORY IS STUPID.

To answer your question bluntly, yes. Its called teasing the audience. Don't show them everything. Give them enough to whet their appetite and they'll want more/be surprised in the movie when more is shown.

You're not giving me an answer, you're trying to justify your theory...

But the problem is, they didn't publish it. It was LEAKED. Stolen. I'm going to assume you don't know much about art production and how companies work, but there are MANY images created, and often times, even conceptual art is used/considered for use ("why waste money making new art when we can reuse old assets?"). They pick and choose the ones they want to use, depending on the quality of the image, how well it represents the movie, the time frame of the image's publication, and the manner in which it is being published. Just because an image is made under the guise of "promotion" doesn't automatically mean its 100% representative of the final product, nor if going to be used. If Sony had actually published this image in an official capacity, then I would not have much to say, but they didn't. And again, RIM ("our most reliable source") has said that it looks nothing like the SDCC footage.

Once again, this is not concept art, it is promo art. Why the **** would they promote an inferior form of the Lizard if it wasn't the final form.


You're wrong. Get over it.

 

[Spider-Who?]

But he also said this earlier... when we saw the Pez head.



Soo...

Yeah.

HA! Yeah, I remember him saying that. But he also says the leaked art is different from the footage. Hard to say what exactly is going on there.

Personally, I think we're not going to be seeing a primal Lizard like many people are talking about.

His face looks flatter from the front... not the side.

That's typical of all faces.

Hell, even in the promo art you can clearly see that his mouth extends slightly past his eyes, like it does in the leaked Comic Con footage screenshot...

Ehhh...I know you mean the barely visible lines on his cheeks, but with the way his mouth is shown to be so human makes me wonder. If that's how they're choosing to have the "best of both worlds", I'm not a fan of it.

 

[VenomSpawn]

Uh...I'm talking about comparing this:

to this

Note the HUGE differences in the size of the mouth and the size of the neck. That's what I was talking about, not sure exactly what you meant. How do you account for that, if indeed these are both the final look of the lizard?

And I'm talking about this:

and this:

Which look exactly alike, with the second one being the same exact Lizard as the one you're talking about.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Uh...I'm talking about comparing this:

to this

Note the HUGE differences in the size of the mouth and the size of the neck. That's what I was talking about, not sure exactly what you meant. How do you account for that, if indeed these are both the final look of the lizard?

How do you account for the fact that according to the things pointed out in the picture you posted, his neck, head and mouth change dramatically within the same scene?

Maybe...

It looks like his neck is longer in that screenshot because he's sticking it out... and he doesn't seem to have a snout in the promo art because it was designed in a way that his face looks more human from the front as opposed to the side...?

Nahh. =P

 

[Troy_Parker]

Ehhh...I know you mean the barely visible lines on his cheeks, but with the way his mouth is shown to be so human makes me wonder. If that's how they're choosing to have the "best of both worlds", I'm not a fan of it.

Mhm.

I'm cool with it though.

 

[Spiderman6592]

Imagine that! His face looks different from the side than it does from the front! Unbelievable!



/sarcasm.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Imagine that! His face looks different from the side than it does from the front! Unbelievable!



/sarcasm.

no u

 

[Spiderman6592]

I think Troy can attest to the fact that I was one of the people disagreeing that this was the same Lizard that was shown at SDCC. Until I remembered the picture taken from the front of the SDCC footage. Everything is the same except for the fact that he is, *gasp*, bigger.


Move along now children.

 

[Troy_Parker]

That's typical of all faces.

Let me reword what I said.

His face looks more human from the front... not the side.

 

[VenomSpawn]

Imagine that! His face looks different from the side than it does from the front! Unbelievable!



/sarcasm.

 

[Troy_Parker]

I think Troy can attest to the fact that I was one of the people disagreeing that this was the same Lizard that was shown at SDCC. Until I remembered the picture taken from the front of the SDCC footage. Everything is the same except for the fact that he is, *gasp*, bigger.


Move along now children.

Yep.

 

[Juicy J]

How do you account for the fact that according to the things pointed out in the picture you posted, his neck, head and mouth change dramatically within the same scene?

I really have no idea what you mean, I don't see anything changing dramatically within the same scene. He's poking his neck out and opening his mouth. Show me where the size of anything in that shot changes all that much compared to how dramatic of a change there is between the promo picture and that picture.

Maybe...

It looks like his neck is longer in that screenshot because he's sticking it out... and he doesn't seem to have a snout in the promo art because it was designed in a way that his face looks more human from the front as opposed to the side...?

Nahh. =P

Still doesn't address the fact that the mouth in the blurry pic from the comic con pic looks three times bigger than the one in the promo/concept/whateverthehellyouwanttocallititdoesn'treallymatter art. None of you have yet to even touch on that.

 

[Spider-Who?]

Hurrr durrrr

"Hurrr durrr?" Really? Wow.

it's not different, it's bigger. Not a contradiction at all.

I like how you've ignored my quotes from RIM on this.

Telling us that the Lizard would undergo a gradual transformation is no more a spoiler than telling us Peter would develop his webshooters on his own. lol You're trying to misconstrue this as some huge plot point when it's not. It's not that significant. Why? BECAUSE YOUR THEORY IS STUPID.

But he DOES go through a gradual transformation. These SET PHOTOS PROVE that the movie depicts a gradual transformation in some fashion:

I'm not saying that showing Connors evolve into the Lizard as a huge plot point spoiler. In fact, like you say: it's NOT. So even by your own admission, its understandable that it might not be mentioned in a panel.

Once again, this is not concept art, it is promo art. Why the **** would they promote an inferior form of the Lizard if it wasn't the final form.

Again, Sony DID NOT RELEASE THE IMAGE. IT IS NOT AN OFFICIAL PROMO IMAGE, and it WON'T BE UNTIL SONY SAYS IT IS. For all we know, Sony could have had NO intention of using that particular image. I know I wouldn't Its poorly composed, a boring pose...it is NOT something I would use to try and promote my movie. But that doesn't even matter because - for the sake of argument - promo art isn't always accurate to the film. Even RIM - whom you praise as being so trustworthy (so long as it suits your needs) says this isn't accurate to what he saw in the film.

Why? BECAUSE YOUR THEORY IS STUPID.

You're wrong. Get over it.

Wow, what are you, twelve? Let me know, seriously. I'd like to know if I'm wasting my time arguing with a child or an adult acting like one.