Does marvel really have a problem with making their villains cool?

[Marvelocity]

I hope we don't get the real Mandarin, as curious as I am about how they would portray them I think "All Hail King" was enough to give credibility to the character. I wanna see a new villain, does Iron Man have other cool villain that should be adapted to the movies?

None whatsoever. Iron Monger, Crimson Dynamo and Mandarin are the three I would have gone with if I was making the movies. I just wouldn't have ruined Dynamo and Mandarin to the degree they did.

 

[Bayne]

Okay, leaving aside everything else. . . how the hell is "it makes you stronger and tougher, heals faster, but creates a lot of waste heat that you can use if you can control it" making little sense? What, were you expecting a 10 minute power point presentation on all the features of Extremis?

The part where having excess waste heat causes some people to just explode but randomly allows others to breathe fire with no warning. And the part where excess heat has anything to do with being stronger or tougher or healing fast.

 

[Bayne]

It's confirmed that the real Mandarin will make an appearance. Most likely in IM4

I thought it was confirmed that IM4 wasn't going to happen.

 

[Bayne]

Except that Killian didn't want revenge on Tony or the world at all. He was actually GRATEFUL for getting mistreated as he did, because it helped him realize the truth that would guide him for years to come and turn him into the man he is in the present.

At the time I saw it it certainly smacked of revenge against the world, but I haven't been able to rewatch it so I'll take your word for it.

 

[The Endless]

The part where having excess waste heat causes some people to just explode but randomly allows others to breathe fire with no warning. And the part where excess heat has anything to do with being stronger or tougher or healing fast.

They had to take some form of medicine to keep it in check. I think Savin's was in his chewing gum or something.

The guy who blew up at the Chinese Theater was spiked, basically.

As for enhanced strength, speed and healing? That was because the Extremis basically rebuilds the bodies systems.

 

[metaphysician]

Also, is it really that strange an idea that some people would be better at controlling, using, or developing a given set of powers than others?

 

[3dman27]

I think the problem is conforming the mandarin to mr.favrou's theory that there was NO magic in the MCU

 

[Dark Raven]

I hope we don't get the real Mandarin, as curious as I am about how they would portray them I think "All Hail King" was enough to give credibility to the character. I wanna see a new villain, does Iron Man have other cool villain that should be adapted to the movies?

Whiplash wasn't exactly cool, but he was adapted to the movies. Any one of IM's rogue gallery potentially could. The problem with Whiplash is that he shouldn't have been combined with Crimson Dynamo. Instead, if Justin Hammer was the main villain, he should've had Whiplash, Blizzard and the Melter as his lackies, as they would've fitted in perfectly while also all displaying some interesting powers.

Then Crimson Dynamo could've been left for a separate movie. I would've had a more Russian theme and maybe something more in the vein of Goldeneye.

As for remaining villains, well they could do the Living Laser. They already squandered Firepower by using his real identity, although they could still have the Firepower armour featuring with a different wearer.

It's a shame Marvel/ Disney don't have the FF. Dr Doom is one of Iron Man's best villains and an adaptation of Iron Man #150 would be absolutely fantastic and different from previous Marvel movies and the IM series as a whole. If they adapted it post-Dr Strange (if Marvel had the rights to FF by then), then the world of magic would also not look out of place. They could easily show Morgan Le Fay (another IM and Avengers villain), who also featured in the story.

Imagine the movie "Excalibur" with Iron Man and Dr Doom dropped into it.

 

[metaphysician]

The Ghost would be a great villain, IMO. We've had people try to exploit Stark's tech in various ways, but we haven't seen a case of actual outright corporate espionage yet. That, plus a villain whose primary powers are invisibility and intangibility would provide a much more puzzle-y opponent, that Stark would have to beat through both scientific and investigative cleverness.

 

[Dark Raven]

I forgot about him. He would be great too. If they had Spymaster as well, and Ghost killed him like in the comics, it would show just how serious a threat he is. Spymaster would certainly fit in with the corporate espionage angle as well. If they adapted Iron Man 219-221, that would also allow quite a bit of face time for RDJ as Stark has to operate without his armour in issue 220 before donning his classic red and gold suit (even though he was wearing the silver centurion at the time).

 

[highbloodman]

I suppose it's the casting and interpretation. Maybe casting the right person would help, like in the case of Venom. But generally, I'd say Marvel has better villains than DC.

 

[Loki882]

There's also Madame Masque. She's pretty cool and has a personal connection to Tony. Plus you could also then bring in Count Nefaria as well.

 

[Cooty_Cat]

There's also Madame Masque. She's pretty cool and has a personal connection to Tony. Plus you could also then bring in Count Nefaria as well.

Was Fin Fang Foom already mentioned. Because him in the MCU would be beautiful.

 

[Chris B]

I hope we don't get the real Mandarin, as curious as I am about how they would portray them I think "All Hail King" was enough to give credibility to the character. I wanna see a new villain, does Iron Man have other cool villain that should be adapted to the movies?

Some they would have to update or reimagine, but there are a few. Just off the top of my head:

Madame Masque
Count Nefaria
Ezekial Stane
The Controller
Titanium Man
Spymaster
Ghost
Blizzard
Melter
Firebrand

Plus, you could always bring back Justin Hammer.

 

[MichaelChen]

I think the problem is conforming the mandarin to mr.favrou's theory that there was NO magic in the MCU

What does magic have to do with The Mandarin? You look at his origin, and it's basically Black Mask meets Vandal Savage. There's nothing about Hogwarts in Mandarin's origin.

 

[3dman27]

I was referring to th retcon where mandarin became anti tech

 

[metaphysician]

Which was only one of many retcons to the Mandarin's personality. No reason you have to use one.

The problem is more that the Mandarin is dissonant with Iron Man. Even if his "magic" rings are just alien tech, it still would look damn weird. He's one of those "is a villain of the hero for no particular reason" villains, which is especially bizarre for an alleged archnemesis. Hence the constant revision to try and make him a thematic match for Tony Stark.

( Well, actually, I know damn well why he was an archnemesis originally: because of Chinese Communism and good old fashion Yellow Peril. However, you obviously can't use Yellow Peril, and if you update the "Communist evil" angle to go with the modern Chinese government, you write off an entire giant market for the movie. So. . . )

 

[MichaelChen]

Nah, he was never Communist. Right from the start he was trying to cause World War III, and was manipulating both sides to that end. He was less about Communism and Yellow Peril than he was a Marvel version of James Bonds villains.

 

[metaphysician]

He wasn't communist, no, but the motive behind creating him was, in part, "Tony fights Communists. We've got some Russian villains, what next. . . hey, how about a Chinese villain?"

 

[First Avenger]

Meh,I think right now the Spider-Man movies have this problem.The villains of TASM series are really bad IMO.

 

[DrCosmic]

I think Mandarin could have been really cool as a tech wizard with some Asgardian tech on Earth, Tony turned up to 11, using his own holographic interface like 'magic.' I would have loved that ish.

 

[Majik1387]

I think trying to turn magic into alien tech is the dumbest direction they can take.

 

[Marvelocity]

I think trying to turn magic into alien tech is the dumbest direction they can take.

Isn't that all they've done with Thor thus far? Hell, there were SPACESHIPS flying around in Thor 2. It was so awful.

 

[Shikamaru]

A terrorist Mandarin who presents his tech as some form of magic would have been a great way to do the character in IM3. Not only it would have been a nice parallel to Tony, both being futurists with the tech they invent/have/use and present, but it would have still been in line with Tony's paranoia in the film over the existence of Gods and aliens plus still keep the "not everything is what it seems to be" theme intact. To see Kingsley play that would have been spectacular.

 

[Majik1387]

Not really.