Does The Batman bring anything to the table that Tas didn't?

[November Rain]

I feel there are some things that are touched on via the character, especially on the Bruce Wayne side of things as well as his relationship with Alfred.

I also think his relationship with the joker comes across as being more tight, since the joker reacts more to what batman does to piss him off.

like dressing up as him, taking on varying apprentices, turning his best friend into an arch enemy (although he is unaware of this) etc they've also both been inside one another's minds and the relationship that was shown when batman took the joker for testing via the DTV movie and giving up his own blood to feed him was out of this world.

but this may come to be due to what some may feel has been certain levels of over exposure. Personally i think in order to get a viable arch enemy, either you need a serious impact storywise (like osborn with spidey) or exposure earlier on (which is where these stories are based or at least were before hand).

another thing the show tends to show is Bruce's involvement with wayne industries more and other aspects of his social life although it hasn't shown anything really about relationships (its slightly touched on the subject numerous times but nothing major).

The show also show's bruce's abilities as an engineer and a scientist with the inventions of that combat suit he used against bane and also the construction of the new batmobile. And his detective skills have been shown on a regular basis.

and in the last episode, 'A strange new world' it showed this version's batmans as having serious prep time with numerous standby batcaves being ready all over gotham.

another aesthetic thing is animation, he fights with a certain grace, even against highly skilled combatants he has himself trained. This my only be a small point since animation has come along way since the 90s but the best of batman rivals the best of jlu and with a straight character comparison, i would say The batman does look better in combat, whether that is something purposely intended to make female combatants shine in JLU or not, i have no idea.


I just feel that this show still gets a bad rep but i feel that it does bring in some elements of the character that Tas either didn't or didn't show in enough detail.

post your thoughts and feelings?

 

[Crimson_L]

Lets see...Ummmm...Hmmmm...nothing...oh I know! Crap.

 

[TRUE]

The only thing the batman brings to the table is better animation. everything else is mediocre on that show

 

[chosen1]

Nope!

 

[Shockdingo]

I agree, animation is good and his movement, but that's all I really feel like talking about.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Lets see...Ummmm...Hmmmm...nothing...oh I know! Crap.

You're really Norm MacDonald back there, aren't you?

 

[Crimson_L]

You're really Norm MacDonald back there, aren't you?

Ri-ght...

 

[TwilightPro101]

It takes more from BB then anything and tweaks itself as it sees fit. It's take is different but I think it works. Is it BTAS? Not by a long shot, but it's still entertaining.

 

[GamerSlyRatchet]

More obscure, forgotten villians from the comics, better fight scenes and animation, better original vilains (see Farmer Brown and Baby Doll, and compare to D.A.V.E. or Everywhere Man.), and avoid some mistakes that B:TAS did before. That's about it.

 

[Brainiac 8]

it makes crappy ultimizations of the classic villians.

 

[November Rain]

the funny thing is that character wise, i don't see much difference between tas joker and THE Batman joker...

heck, for a while i thought they were even both voiced by hammill.

poison ivy is different since she ties in with batgirl but that's fine
I never liked a penguin appearance before in tas but i like him here although he is different.
the catwoman has not reached that point in her relationship with batman/bruce as her tas counterpart so a direct comparison is hard to make, it's all still very fresh with them.
hugo strange is better in the batman, he's actually involved.
killer croc is more of a threat and so is bane although his design is slightly off.
ok, i will admit that mr freeze is off but he may come to his own in this 'artifacts' ep this season, since everything else this season has been top.
the clayfaces have been on par with hagan from tas, if not better if you consider the THE batman original one to be a mix of clayface and two-face in his relationship with bats.
man bat is on par with tas' although 'on leather wings' is a stroke of genius.

I don't think that sweeping statement Braniac 8 is at all justified.

 

[Brainiac 8]

I don't know, I just can't get into it. (Which is funny since I love Ultimate Spider-Man, which is basically the same thing as what this show is trying to do.)

I watched two episodes, one with Mr. Freeze and one with Joker, and I hated what they had turned both into. Mind you this is all my opinion and does not mean that I disrespect those that like this show. But to me, it doesn't hold a candle to the original Batman TAS, which is still one of the best iterations of a Superhero turned cartoon I've ever seen.

I should have said that it was my opinion in my last post.

 

[Warhammer]

The only thing that TB brings that no other didn't is better fight scenes.

That's it, and it isn't THAT much better, anyway.

 

[November Rain]

I don't know, I just can't get into it. (Which is funny since I love Ultimate Spider-Man, which is basically the same thing as what this show is trying to do.)

I watched two episodes, one with Mr. Freeze and one with Joker, and I hated what they had turned both into. Mind you this is all my opinion and does not mean that I disrespect those that like this show. But to me, it doesn't hold a candle to the original Batman TAS, which is still one of the best iterations of a Superhero turned cartoon I've ever seen.

I should have said that it was my opinion in my last post.

Dude, i could show you two episodes of Tas batman. that could put you off watching the rest of the series.

but if i came into a thread and judged the entire DCAU on the viewing of only 2 episodes, i'm fairly sure everyone would tear me a new ass hole


Honestly and no offence, in order to get a proper opinion on something you have to remain at least up to date. I don't mind if you don't like something if you've watched it all, there are plenty of things that i watch and not necessarily because i like them but to get a proper informed opinion.

to date, they've aired 46 episodes and a movie, that's over 17 hours of footage and you're judging it on 40 minutes.

that's like walking out of a cinema after watching the opening credits.

give it a chance.

 

[Brainiac 8]

It's not completely uninformed. I didn't say the storytelling was bad, because that I can't judge. But I have seen pictures, and bits and pieces her and there, and I've seen character art and the sort.

I was only talking about how I don't like the changes done to many of the characters. I am at least informed enough to give what I think of the art design.

I won't gripe about the writing or story direction, because like I said, I have only seen two full episodes and like you said, I can't judge based on that.

And yes, I can name several episodes of TAS that would put anyone off the show.

 

[watsonlives]

I watched, most of the first season, dissmised as crappy ( especially the first appearance episodes of Bane, and Mr. Freeze) and walked away. however, I have come back and watched some of the episodes since the introduction of Batgirl and Robin, and they'e gotten a lot better. The halloween episode with the zombies was especially good.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Does The Batman bring anything to the table that Tas didn't?

No, BTAS is a masterpiece that got The character of BATMAN as well as the rest of the other characters from the BATMAN Mythology right .

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

I think the only thing I like about the Batman is they made Robin a kid. I would have loved to see starting out as Robin and show how Bruce would have to adjust to having a partner as well as being a father figure.

 

[ang_hulk]

Dude, i could show you two episodes of Tas batman. that could put you off watching the rest of the series.

but if i came into a thread and judged the entire DCAU on the viewing of only 2 episodes, i'm fairly sure everyone would tear me a new ass hole


Honestly and no offence, in order to get a proper opinion on something you have to remain at least up to date. I don't mind if you don't like something if you've watched it all, there are plenty of things that i watch and not necessarily because i like them but to get a proper informed opinion.

to date, they've aired 46 episodes and a movie, that's over 17 hours of footage and you're judging it on 40 minutes.

that's like walking out of a cinema after watching the opening credits.

give it a chance.

what two episodes are you refering to?


my answer is nothing.

 

[Brainiac 8]

No, BTAS is a masterpiece that got The character of BATMAN as well as the rest of the other characters from the BATMAN Mythology right .

Word Kal.

 

[CLARKY]

No, BTAS is a masterpiece that got The character of BATMAN as well as the rest of the other characters from the BATMAN Mythology right .

Yes.

 

[Mike059jig]

A younger batman/bruce wayne and the rest of the cast......old villians but a different take on them....the general concept and essence of the villians are still their but toned down....and slicker animation and much better action sequences........BTAS:has the the better looking bat-jet and batmobile..The batman:has the better looking bat-boat and bat-bike...

 

[MaskedManJRK]

what two episodes are you refering to?

my answer is nothing.

"I've Got Batman in my Basement."

I rest my case.

 

[Shockdingo]

Oh how I try to forget that episode.

 

[Dread]

B:TAS/NGA had plenty of stinkers. "CRITTERS" is usually on the short list of worst DCAU episodes of all time.

What does THE BATMAN offer that B:TAS doesn't?

Firstly, superior updated animation is the easy answer. As lovely as B:TAS looked, pop in those DVD's and it's showing it's age now, much as 80's cartoons showed their age in the 90's. Plus, not every episode had as high a production value as HEART OF ICE or ON LEATHER WINGS and whatnot. That is not to knock the show; I mean after 10+ years, technology advances, techniques advance, etc. I'm sure in 2017, THE BATMAN may look old.

Secondly, there is a more loose sense of continuity and storyline in THE BATMAN, although it's not nearly as tight as TMNT or TMNT: FAST FORWARD. But it is there to some degree; several episodes in Seasons 2-4 are meant to play after the other, even if KID'S WB messes it up. B:TAS was a terrific show, but many of the episodes were one-shot or loosely connected to others as "sequals". THE BATMAN has some of that, too, but I just see more slightly developped arcs. Slightly.

Thirdly, even if he is annoying, they gave Penguin more backstory. And they've done well with some F-Lister rogues, much as B:TAS soared with Clock King.

Fouth, action, even if over the top. That keys into animation, it simply is hard to animate Batman fluidly fighting when the cape is there. THE BATMAN has the cape levitate as if he's a DARKSTALKER to remove this problem and even includes it in the battles. The fights are sometimes MATRIX-cheesy, but when not they are very vibrant, and sometimes all but save some episodes.

THE BATMAN had a golden oppurtunity to pounce on one area B:TAS ignored, and that was a romantic lead. Sure, Wayne's a playboy, and he & Catwoman always had chemistry, but I meant actually having a woman on the supporting cast who Wayne has to struggle with due to his double-life; a mix of the stuff people liked from WW/Batman in JLU with some of the issues Peter Parker faces in SPIDER-MAN. Yin came very, very close to doing that, but she has been abandoned and tossed away. And Vicki Vale hasn't made the leap from DTV to series appearence. Catwoman has also been slapped back to "typical villianess" role now that Batman is usually "babysitting" Batgirl and Robin. To me this will always be THE BATMAN's worst missed oppurtunity.

Besides, of course, a mostly terrible first season saved by a finale, an underwhelming Season 3, and way too much pandering to children.