Spectacular Spider-man Vs. Batman TAS

[Ponyboy]

I fear I cannot agree with you.

Well that's just like... your opinion, man (the Dude) t:

Yeah it's my opinion that Batman the Animated Series is infinitely better. And better than about 90% of other cartoon series.

 

[spider13]

Hey your 100% correct about that.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Voice acters tie
continual story spider man
Animation Batman
Villains spider man
loveable ch. spider man

Anything also?

Villains - Batman
Depth(with the characters, not depth as in deep serial storyline...depth as in character depth) - Batman
Emotion - Batman

 

[spider13]

Again the first 26 episodes of the btas had about half these episodes with villains that either didn't exist in the comics or where ****** and not real important.

They could have used ras or the riddler or deadshot or bane or hugo any of these guys would have worked better then some fight guy who steals people from gotham and inslaves them.

 

[Anno_Domini]

So? Harley Quinn was specifically created for B:TAS and she became a well-known Batman villain.

So what if Sewer King or Red Claw didn't become well-known villains, but at least these creators took some creative control into making new villains for Bats to face; and with only getting one villain from the series to become well-known to Batman fans is dang impressive. And that's a feat that they couldn't do with TSSM, imo.

 

[Ponyboy]

So? Harley Quinn was specifically created for B:TAS and she became a well-known Batman villain.

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That's true. Harley has become hugely popular. I can't think of really another instance where that has occurred. Someone help me here

 

[spider13]

your right becasue tssm didn't need to creat any new villains. he's got a rogue gallery of 36 villains.

 

[Anno_Domini]

You're missing my entire point.

The creators of B:TAS had creative control for the most part and what they did made them frontiers in many aspect of the animated series. TSSM hasn't done anything to be the frontiers of anything. Sure, TSSM didn't create any new villains, but to judge the best series of those two by that argument is just saying you don't care about the creative control that they had and you wouldn't have cared at all to have seen Quinn(as she was one of those villains created just for the show).

PLUS...FOX didn't allow some villains and most likely Sony was able to let TSSM's creators use ALL of Spidey's villains. That's also another difference of why B:TAS had to showcase new villains. And it wasn't like they were boring either; they fit well into the episodes, imo.

 

[spider13]

I'm just saying IN the 26 episodes we got a ton of Spidy gallery (Villains I hate where so well written and acted that I liked them all)

Lets face A villain is just as important as the story and hero Thats my point.

tssm can't win if we facter in all the other matarial that btas has.

 

[Anno_Domini]

TSSM doesn't win even for your argument.

 

[spider13]

well What can I say I get more enjoyment out of tssm then I do out of the btas.

 

[Webhead2006]

There was no reason for the crew of tssm to create all new villains. In comic history spiderman has one of the best rouges gallery to choose from.

 

[spider13]

agreed.

 

[The Joker]

Batman's rogues gallery is even more impressive. What was so great about BTAS was that not only did it make effective use of Batman's villains (even improving on several of them like Mr. Freeze) but it also had the creative energy to come up with new and interesting villains as well.

SSM didn't have that kind of creativity. It's why it has not influenced anything in the comic book world but BTAS did.

 

[spider13]

What great ch. did btas creat besides harly.

 

[The Joker]

What great ch. did btas creat besides harly.

Harley, Renee Montoya, Red Claw, Roland Daggett, Kyodai Kin, Wormwood the interrogator, Lock up, Lloyd Ventris, The Sewer King, Boss Biggis, The Gray Ghost, HARDAC etc.

 

[spider13]

crap, crap, mage crap.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Batman's rogues gallery is even more impressive. What was so great about BTAS was that not only did it make effective use of Batman's villains (even improving on several of them like Mr. Freeze) but it also had the creative energy to come up with new and interesting villains as well.

SSM didn't have that kind of creativity. It's why it has not influenced anything in the comic book world but BTAS did.

Harley, Renee Montoya, Red Claw, Roland Daggett, Kyodai Kin, Wormwood the interrogator, Lock up, Lloyd Ventris, The Sewer King, Boss Biggis, The Gray Ghost, HARDAC etc.

Now, granted, some characters they created for the show became more well-known than others, but it's still pretty amazing how any characters created just for a show was even counted as a great Batman character altogether.

 

[The Joker]

Oh I should also add the fantastic Andrea Beaumont/Phantasm character.

 

[spider13]

Why did anyone need to creat anything when you have 50 years of comic history.


Thats one thing that is so great about the tssm was not one ch. no matter how small a role they played was made up they where all from some point in spider man comic history.

 

[GamerSlyRatchet]

Batman's rogues gallery is even more impressive. What was so great about BTAS was that not only did it make effective use of Batman's villains (even improving on several of them like Mr. Freeze) but it also had the creative energy to come up with new and interesting villains as well.

This is more of a response to Anno, but might as well. Creating your own villains is not a good measure of creativity. The MTV show also made up a majority of the villains, but all of them ended up being lame. Does that make it a more creative show than TSSM?

And really, aside from Harley and arguably Renee, did any of them ended up making ANY impact beyond the show? Were guys like Red Claw, the Sewer King, Roland Daggett, Boss Biggis, or Nostromos really that "interesting"? Even the better one-shots like Baby Doll and Calendar Girl were just that, one-shots.

It's not even a new thing for other media to be adapted to comics. Many elements that are well-known about Superman were not in the original comics (kryptonite, flight, etc.), but were first introduced by the old radio show. Firestar from Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends was introduced in the show in 1981, but was put into the main comics four years later.

SSM didn't have that kind of creativity. It's why it has not influenced anything in the comic book world but BTAS did.

The crew didn't want to create new characters in order to challenge themselves and use the Spider-Man universe to its fullest extents. Last time I check, challenging and pushing yourself to do your best is NOT a bad thing, and setting limits for yourself actually pushes creativity to it's highest.

And, once again, the whole "SSM hasn't influenced comics like B:TAS did" is stupid, since, once again, it took years for the latter to actually influence the comic world. Once more, let's wait and see a few years.

 

[The Joker]

Why did anyone need to creat anything when you have 50 years of comic history.

Creativity. Even the movies do it.

Why restrict yourself to comic made characters?

This is more of a response to Anno, but might as well. Creating your own villains is not a good measure of creativity.

Yes, it definitely is. Creating anything that's new is a sign of creativity.

The MTV show also made up a majority of the villains, but all of them ended up being lame. Does that make it a more creative show than TSSM?

Yes, it definitely does in that regard. Even though the show was based on the Spider-Man movie continuity it showed more creativity there.

And really, aside from Harley and arguably Renee, did any of them ended up making ANY impact beyond the show? Were guys like Red Claw, the Sewer King, Roland Daggett, Boss Biggis, or Nostromos really that "interesting"? Even the better one-shots like Baby Doll and Calendar Girl were just that, one-shots.

We're not talking about impact, we're talking about creativity. The laundry list of great one shot villains is a prime example of it.

But since you mentioned impact, it's nothing short of amazing that two characters created solely in a cartoon show made it as major characters in the DC comic book universe. Something SSM didn't even come within an inch of achieving.

But that's not the only influences BTAS had on the comics.

It's not even a new thing for other media to be adapted to comics. Many elements that are well-known about Superman were not in the original comics (kryptonite, flight, etc.), but were first introduced by the old radio show. Firestar from Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends was introduced in the show in 1981, but was put into the main comics four years later.

And a major pat on the back to them for having their creativity recognized. Something they also have over SSM.

The crew didn't want to create new characters in order to challenge themselves and use the Spider-Man universe to its fullest extents. Last time I check, challenging and pushing yourself to do your best is NOT a bad thing, and setting limits for yourself actually pushes creativity to it's highest.

That's fine if they wanted to play it safe and just cherry pick all the stories from the comics and just put them on screen. But on the creativity scale they fail. I applaud them for putting the fan favorite stories on screen, but lets face it all the stories and characters were laid out for them. The hard work was done for the most part. They just had to put it on screen.

And, once again, the whole "SSM hasn't influenced comics like B:TAS did" is stupid, since, once again, it took years for the latter to actually influence the comic world. Once more, let's wait and see a few years.

Oh no it didn't. Renee Montoya was introduced in the comics in 1992, the very year of BTAS' debut. I have the very comic. Batman #475, a Ventriloquist and Scarface issue. Mr. Freeze's origin was redefined, even the movies took notice and did it.

 

[spider13]

This is more of a response to Anno, but might as well. Creating your own villains is not a good measure of creativity. The MTV show also made up a majority of the villains, but all of them ended up being lame. Does that make it a more creative show than TSSM?

And really, aside from Harley and arguably Renee, did any of them ended up making ANY impact beyond the show? Were guys like Red Claw, the Sewer King, Roland Daggett, Boss Biggis, or Nostromos really that "interesting"? Even the better one-shots like Baby Doll and Calendar Girl were just that, one-shots.

It's not even a new thing for other media to be adapted to comics. Many elements that are well-known about Superman were not in the original comics (kryptonite, flight, etc.), but were first introduced by the old radio show. Firestar from Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends was introduced in the show in 1981, but was put into the main comics four years later.



The crew didn't want to create new characters in order to challenge themselves and use the Spider-Man universe to its fullest extents. Last time I check, challenging and pushing yourself to do your best is NOT a bad thing, and setting limits for yourself actually pushes creativity to it's highest.

And, once again, the whole "SSM hasn't influenced comics like B:TAS did" is stupid, since, once again, it took years for the latter to actually influence the comic world. Once more, let's wait and see a few years.

great point.

 

[spider13]

dude greating stuff I can argue is a lack of love for the sorce marterial.

Did I miss the part where bob kane came in and went o that ch. is great.

There is no need to creat anything new when you have 50 pluse years of a ch.

Also since tssm Almost all the voice acters have gone on to do other spider man related stuff.

And if tssm was allowed to make it to it's 65 episodes then everyybody would be singing A different tone.

 

[The Joker]

dude greating stuff I can argue is a lack of love for the sorce marterial.

No it is not. Ignoring the source material is a sign of that.

Did I miss the part where bob kane came in and went o that ch. is great.

Since Bob Kane was a massive fan of the show, I guess you did miss it.

There is no need to creat anything new when you have 50 pluse years of a ch.

Your narrow vision makes me glad that kind of mentality is not in charge of the superhero movies and cartoons.

Also since tssm Almost all the voice acters have gone on to do other spider man related stuff.

Really? Name me all the voice actors who have gone on to do Spider-Man related stuff.

And if tssm was allowed to make it to it's 65 episodes then everyybody would be singing A different tone.

Maybe, maybe not.

We'll never know because it got canned. It never got to make several animated movies either