Don't Dumb it Down Dangit

[Spider-Fan]

I guess that is where we just disagree,and i never said buy it i said not laugh at it and think it looks comical rather than scary

Would of thought the same thing about a squid/crab guy running a pirate ship, but people took it quite well.

Sorry, but I am not budging on this position.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Would of thought the same thing about a squid/crab guy running a pirate ship, but people took it quite well.

Sorry, but I am not budging on this position.

Yes in a film that is decidely comical and campy to begin with and set way back in a world built on mystique

 

[Spider-Fan]

Yes in a film that is decidely comical and campy to begin with and set way back in a world built on mystique

The first movie was comical and campy. Why is it ok in case 1, but not case 2.

 

[Hunter Rider]

The first movie was comical and campy. Why is it ok in case 1, but not case 2.

You thought the first F4 movie was campy ? i don't see it as such just as light hearted where as POTC delibertly sets it's stall out like Ghostbusters
Plus do you want a Galactus that is part of something comical ?

 

[Spider-Fan]

You thought the first F4 movie was campy ? i don't see it as such just as light hearted where as POTC delibertly sets it's stall out like Ghostbusters
Plus do you want a Galactus that is part of something comical ?

I don't want a comical Galactus, but the first film had the comedy and camp (though I agree with you, it wasn't intentional, but it was there), so I just wanted to understand the difference. Also, Davey Jones wasn't too comical. He was pretty menacing. The same can be done for Galactus.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I don't want a comical Galactus, but the first film had the comedy and camp (though I agree with you, it wasn't intentional, but it was there), so I just wanted to understand the difference. Also, Davey Jones wasn't too comical. He was pretty menacing. The same can be done for Galactus.

Jones was mencaing i agree but for me it's the size that will be the issue
Now as a i said before in someone like Spielbergs hands with no studio intereference i would say go for it but under a studio that just killed one of my fav villains (Juggernaught) i would have no faith in them being capable of making Galactus menacing and intimidating as opposed to hokey and laughable

 

[Malus]

they would buy the giant man if he looked cool. Weirder things have been done on film.

What's funny to me is that no one is questioning whether the audience is going to laugh at the sight of a silver guy surfing through space.
Don't get me wrong, I love the Silver Surfer, but it is a pretty silly-ass concept.

It's all ridiculous if you take it too seriously.

Of course the real Galactus can be properly adapted to film.
And the question isn't can they do it right. It's will they do it right?

I think a successful adaptation can and should include a lot of changes, especially the purple costume, and even his generally human appearance can go...But Galactus must remain a single awesome being, one that is fully cognizent that his actions will wipe out all life on this planet but who is coldly apathetic to that fact.
I think that (and his master/servant relationship to the Surfer) is largely what makes the whole thing work in the first place.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Jones was mencaing i agree but for me it's the size that will be the issue
Now as a i said before in someone like Spielbergs hands with no studio intereference i would say go for it but under a studio that just killed one of my fav villains (Juggernaught) i would have no faith in them being capable of making Galactus menacing and intimidating as opposed to hokey and laughable

I knew Jugs would be a mutant, and the ruby would never be shown. I agree Fox is the wrong company to have this property. The Silver Surfer and the FF are two of the properties I'd want to handle most if I had the chance, great story potential with these two. But Fox has it. Just because they'll mess it up doesn't mean I don't want to see them try it.

 

[Spider-Fan]

What's funny to me is that no one is questioning whether the audience is going to laugh at the sight of a silver guy surfing through space.
Don't get me wrong, I love the Silver Surfer, but it is a pretty silly-ass concept.

It's all ridiculous if you take it too seriously.

Of course the real Galactus can be properly adapted to film.
And the question isn't can they do it right. It's will they do it right?

I think a successful adaptation can and should include a lot of changes, especially the purple costume, and even his generally human appearance can go...But Galactus must remain a single awesome being, one that is fully cognizent that his actions will wipe out all life on this planet but who is coldly apathetic to that fact.
I think that (and his master/servant relationship to the Surfer) is largely what makes the whole thing work in the first place.

I agree with you on the changes to Galactus. If they want awesome special effects, I may even give him a horde to command. I just want a large, singular being to be Galactus. We need to see the Surfer/Galactus relationship in order for his betrayel to work and be impactful.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I knew Jugs would be a mutant, and the ruby would never be shown. I agree Fox is the wrong company to have this property. The Silver Surfer and the FF are two of the properties I'd want to handle most if I had the chance, great story potential with these two. But Fox has it. Just because they'll mess it up doesn't mean I don't want to see them try it.

With this team id rather they operated within their abilities and circumstances and tried to make a good alternative however......

What's funny to me is that no one is questioning whether the audience is going to laugh at the sight of a silver guy surfing through space.
Don't get me wrong, I love the Silver Surfer, but it is a pretty silly-ass concept.

It's all ridiculous if you take it too seriously.

Of course the real Galactus can be properly adapted to film.
And the question isn't can they do it right. It's will they do it right?

I think a successful adaptation can and should include a lot of changes, especially the purple costume, and even his generally human appearance can go...But Galactus must remain a single awesome being, one that is fully cognizent that his actions will wipe out all life on this planet but who is coldly apathetic to that fact.
I think that (and his master/servant relationship to the Surfer) is largely what makes the whole thing work in the first place.

Difference with Surfer is he's an alien not a giant man but this line is an intersting proposition,make Galactus more alien facially and it may work

 

[Malus]

Difference with Surfer is he's an alien not a giant man but this line is an intersting proposition,make Galactus more alien facially and it may work

Well if he was a giant alien riding a surfboard through outer space, then they'd really face some problems.

About Galactus' facial features...Maybe just give him an eerie glow if nothing else...give his skin a sort of cosmic sheen...Keep his true features obscured...Hell, make him a giant brain (half-kidding) but make him a single being of unfathomable power. If they don't keep that aspect, they may as well call him something else entirely.

 

[Doctor of Doom]

I agree with you on the changes to Galactus. If they want awesome special effects, I may even give him a horde to command. I just want a large, singular being to be Galactus. We need to see the Surfer/Galactus relationship in order for his betrayel to work and be impactful.

Oh that is different. Yes, I certainly agree that we need a Galactus/Surfer dynamic, but I maintain that it could be done with Gah Lak Tus, the 'consciousness' behind the swarm, the controlling mind. Don't give it the Gah Lak Tus consciousness, but give it the GALACTUS consciousness and it can work.

 

[Malus]

Oh that is different. Yes, I certainly agree that we need a Galactus/Surfer dynamic, but I maintain that it could be done with Gah Lak Tus, the 'consciousness' behind the swarm, the controlling mind. Don't give it the Gah Lak Tus consciousness, but give it the GALACTUS consciousness and it can work.

Good idea. A "uni-mind," sort of like the Borg. (Who were quite scary, at least initially.)
I'd still like to see a single being at the center of everything, though.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

It happens every time FOX makes a superhero movie.

Story just uttered two words I never want to hear in a description of a Galactus movie...."Ultimate Extinction". Firstly, Ultimate Extinction was horrible...there was nothing Ultimate about it. Galactus went from a world devouring shakespearian character to a bunch of mindless drones floating in space who fly off the minute their "chain is broken". Galactus may be the finest crafted villian ever. The idea of a humanoid who survives the big crunch and is jetisonned into the new universe is just brillant. His omnipitence, his parrallels to a christian God (in the fact that he sends heralds to announce his return) who is malevolent.

Also the Watcher, who reveals himself as an elder whose purpose is to observe the events of history. These are great characters whose existence begs to be on the big screen.

However FOX time and again proves they don't trust comics (which makes me wonder why the bother with Marvel at all). They did not trust the supporting cast of X-Men, they felt they needed to bank on Wolverine and Magneto when Mr Sinister, Cyclops, Rogue, Gambit, Colossus and Apocalypse are all movie worthy characters with equally (if not better) backstories. They did not trust the humorless tone of a comic like Daredevil, and felt the need to factor in scenes like the playground fight and mess around with the much better directors cut. And with Fantastic Four they did not even bother attempting one of the greatest comic book origins, Dr Doom: who ended up a dime store Green Goblin.

Now I hear UE, and I cringe.

If people can take elves and giants in Lord of the Rings (and give it an Oscar), a hokey villian plot (and yes it was over the top) in Batman Begins, direct from comic style of Sin City, the otherworldly nature of Star Wars and absurd movies like the Incredibles and Shrek than surely Galactus is no trouble.

In fact movies often do better when the transport people to a world they do not fully understand.

Look, Fantastic Four 48, 49 and 50 are all worth about 1000+ dollars a piece, that is a lot for one comic. So there must be something to it. TRUST THE COMIC FOX. These stories and characters have stood on their own for 40 years. There is a reason fans pay out the a$$ for every classic story, and it's not because they are bad, it is because they are good. Translate them please.

A-MEN!

 

[The Apatow Crew]

You people posted so much in so little of time.

its hard to keep up with everything.

 

[Jinnobi]

Hmmm....Galactus, Silver Surfer, Fantastic Four...Can they put all these things into a film and make it believable? I seriously doubt it. I suppose it's not about being believable but about making it appear to not be cheesy like the first film. Maybe they should correct some of the flaws before they start adding characters. A better plot, character development. This is beginning to be a problem in comic book movies.

 

[Kelly]

Good idea. A "uni-mind," sort of like the Borg. (Who were quite scary, at least initially.)
I'd still like to see a single being at the center of everything, though.

Yes...


Again, I think we have a hell of alot of debate over something that may not even be seen in this film.

To me the key to the mythos of Galactus as a huge, scary as hell, Devourer of the World is in the introduction of him in this movie.

Malus as far as Silver Surfer....I think he is more easily sold because even with the new Tech spoke of by Story we will have seen something similar already in the T-1000 that was very well done...I think this new technology will be even more fluid....so I don't see a problem with the Silver Surfer. PLUS, we will have probably been well introduced to the SS before the movie. We won't have that luxury of Galactus according to Avi, but I think that if at the end of the movie....

*we see the shadow of a huge being, (maybe even the way you guys want, except in color....That original color is horrid, and I'm not budging on that...
*you see the face of SS totally transform into...holy ****, what I've been telling you people was coming "Is Here!!"
*the face of the 4, totally in horror at what they are witnessing.....BUT ONLY THE 5 OF THEM SEE IT.......the audience only sees the shadow of Galactus in its full order (silhouette style so that you have an idea of what he will look like)huge explosion.....and go to BLACK.....music up....scroll the credits...

 

[ShadowBoxing]

uh. The Ultimate series has been really popular so.....you know nothing :P

Uh Galactus has been around for forty years and is a very popular recurring character, Gah Lak Tus is universially loathed and as a poor man's excuse for Galactus...and Ultimate Extinction ain't worth 1000 bucks an issue...so you know nothing.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Hmmm....Galactus, Silver Surfer, Fantastic Four...Can they put all these things into a film and make it believable? I seriously doubt it. I suppose it's not about being believable but about making it appear to not be cheesy like the first film. Maybe they should correct some of the flaws before they start adding characters. A better plot, character development. This is beginning to be a problem in comic book movies.

Maybe not. But the original FF: Galactus Saga was short and straight forward enough that it does not have to take up the whole movie. You can have a build up to it, as they did in UFF. In fact I kind of liked the idea of cults forming around this vision of his arrival. But the whole story is kind of removed and stupid afterwards, what seemed like an unkillable threat turned out an easy fix. Galactus in the comic provided both a battle of wits and a bluff (that bluff of the UN I could see working very well as an ending--Surfer betrays him and Reed gets the device from Uatu).

As for nay sayers who say a 100 foot man would not work well. I say this. Movies are remembered for innovation. When T2 came out, no one had ever seen a liquid metal monster before who could alter his shape. Before T1 came out no one had seen a time travelling robot. Before King Kong, no giant apes. Before Superman, no super powers. Movies, to make an impression have to take a risk. POTC, for example takes risks by placing an unexplained phenomenal world in an otherwise real world setting. The characters like Barbosa and Davy Jones become some of the most well remembered characters of the film, because they stand out. Now I think with a good actor helming the role and top notch cgi, the morally abscent, godlike elder Galactus could really make an impact just like all the other memorable, over the top characters before him.

 

[Doctor of Doom]

(that bluff of the UN I could see working very well as an ending--Surfer betrays him and Reed gets the device from Uatu).

NO! NO! NO! NO! IN THE NAME OF GOD, NO!

I think using Galactus is pushing it... I think using Uatu is TOO FAR. No way, no, a THOUSAND, MILLION TIMES NO! Giant planet-eating guy- a stretch. Giant bald guy who 'watches' everything? DEAR GOD, NO!

Now I think with a good actor helming the role and top notch cgi, the morally abscent, godlike elder Galactus could really make an impact just like all the other memorable, over the top characters before him.

I think with a GREAT actor helming the role, top notch CGI, some smart costume design, a great script... this can work. Sadly I don't feel we will end up with ALL of those and if just one is missing, the whole thing falls apart.

 

[Spoarz™]

I was thinking, at the end of FF #48, when Galactus finally arrives on earth, before he has been revealed, The Watcher says: "He is what he wishes to be! He is -- Galactus!"

This is just a thought, but if people have a problem with Galactus being a giant man all the time, maybe he could arrive on earth, and then take the form of the giant that we're used to, considering how "he is what he wishes to be".

 

[ShadowBoxing]

NO! NO! NO! NO! IN THE NAME OF GOD, NO!

I think using Galactus is pushing it... I think using Uatu is TOO FAR. No way, no, a THOUSAND, MILLION TIMES NO! Giant planet-eating guy- a stretch. Giant bald guy who 'watches' everything? DEAR GOD, NO!

None of this is a stretch. IT'S A MOVIE, as in not reality. People praise LOTR, POTC, The Matrix, Star Wars, The Princess Bride, The Wizard of Oz and many others and in the same breath say no this comic stuff won't work .

If you don't take these risks like adding characters like Uatu, Galactus and Silver Surfer you end with the same mediocre crap we get almost every film. Sin City, Spider-Man, Batman Begins and LOTR did not go apesh** about changing everything out of the inane worry people "wouldn't buy" and they all are remembered as great films.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

I have a big problem if it is Gah Lak Tus and not galactus; how in the hell does Silver Surfer come into the picture. You are not telling me a bunch of alien robots gave him his powers are you......seems like you could not do one without the other but that is just me

 

[Doctor of Doom]

Spider-Man, Batman Begins and LOTR did not go apesh** about changing everything out of the inane worry people "wouldn't buy" and they all are remembered as great films.

I don't recall Spider-Man having anything too 'out-there'. I seem to recall they changed the whole radioactive spider to something more plausible. They changed the Goblin costume 'cos people wouldn't buy it, etc. LotR now- it was made clear from the start that this was a fictional fantasy world. The Marvel films have made clear that they are grounded largely in reality- one of their best strengths, IMO. And it's been ages since I saw Batman Begins, so I can't comment. Though I personally didn't like it that much.

But Uatu? I'm sorry, I just can't see it working.

I have a big problem if it is Gah Lak Tus and not galactus; how in the hell does Silver Surfer come into the picture. You are not telling me a bunch of alien robots gave him his powers are you......seems like you could not do one without the other but that is just me

I do take your point, though I feel they wouldn't need to dwell on that in the movie . No but seriously it is a good point. On the other hand, how does no-one ever notice a giant floating guy eating planets via telescopes or whatever. What you point out seems far less of a problem than needing to explain away about this giant planet-eating dude And yet again, a reminder, I LIKE Galactus, I want a Galactus done well, but I think a Gah Lak Tus is better than a Galactus done poorly.

 

[HoratioRome]

It happens every time FOX makes a superhero movie.

Story just uttered two words I never want to hear in a description of a Galactus movie...."Ultimate Extinction". Firstly, Ultimate Extinction was horrible...there was nothing Ultimate about it. Galactus went from a world devouring shakespearian character to a bunch of mindless drones floating in space who fly off the minute their "chain is broken". Galactus may be the finest crafted villian ever. The idea of a humanoid who survives the big crunch and is jetisonned into the new universe is just brillant. His omnipitence, his parrallels to a christian God (in the fact that he sends heralds to announce his return) who is malevolent.

Also the Watcher, who reveals himself as an elder whose purpose is to observe the events of history. These are great characters whose existence begs to be on the big screen.

However FOX time and again proves they don't trust comics (which makes me wonder why the bother with Marvel at all). They did not trust the supporting cast of X-Men, they felt they needed to bank on Wolverine and Magneto when Mr Sinister, Cyclops, Rogue, Gambit, Colossus and Apocalypse are all movie worthy characters with equally (if not better) backstories. They did not trust the humorless tone of a comic like Daredevil, and felt the need to factor in scenes like the playground fight and mess around with the much better directors cut. And with Fantastic Four they did not even bother attempting one of the greatest comic book origins, Dr Doom: who ended up a dime store Green Goblin.

Now I hear UE, and I cringe.

If people can take elves and giants in Lord of the Rings (and give it an Oscar), a hokey villian plot (and yes it was over the top) in Batman Begins, direct from comic style of Sin City, the otherworldly nature of Star Wars and absurd movies like the Incredibles and Shrek than surely Galactus is no trouble.

In fact movies often do better when the transport people to a world they do not fully understand.

Look, Fantastic Four 48, 49 and 50 are all worth about 1000+ dollars a piece, that is a lot for one comic. So there must be something to it. TRUST THE COMIC FOX. These stories and characters have stood on their own for 40 years. There is a reason fans pay out the a$$ for every classic story, and it's not because they are bad, it is because they are good. Translate them please.

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