Comics Doomsday

[Spike_x1]

You're just being picky and annoying for the hell of it. I've proven that Superman can be beaten and would be very much dead if it weren't for his miraculous luck, citing specific events from the comics. I think I might even feel sorry for you if your definition for Superman being beaten is so narrow.

The one fight that matches your exact criteria, and you dismiss it, despite the fact that Superman could do absolutely nothing to harm Metallo during the fight until he (luckily) stepped onto a truck and lost connection with the earth. If it had continued, and Metallo had stayed on the ground, he would have won. He didn't have to stay on his feet as you seem to imply. He simply had to be in contact with the ground. And no, as a matter of fact, they did prove during that fight that Superman was incapable of knocking Metallo "off his feet," even though it still wouldn't have helped Supes. There is no way that Superman could've pulled off a victory if Metallo hadn't have slipped up. That is Superman's luck at its finest.

And as for the Parasite's fight, I won't even bother. You'll only pick it apart and dismiss it anyway.

If you cant accept alternative fighting, stop posting in this thread.

I don't usually tell people to stop posting, but in this case, I do agree.

 

[Guyverjay]

You're just being picky and annoying for the hell of it.

Stop crying

I've proven that Superman can be beaten and would be very much dead if it weren't for his miraculous luck, citing specific events from the comics.

I've NEVER disputed that Superman has been beaten

I think I might even feel sorry for you if your definition for Superman being beaten is so narrow.

Wow you actually feel sorry for me because my opinion on fictional comic book fights is different to yours?? ....bwhahahaha..okay

The one fight that matches your exact criteria, and you dismiss it, despite the fact that Superman could do absolutely nothing to harm Metallo during the fight until he (luckily) stepped onto a truck and lost connection with the earth. If it had continued, and Metallo had stayed on the ground, he would have won. He didn't have to stay on his feet as you seem to imply. He simply had to be in contact with the ground. And no, as a matter of fact, they did prove during that fight that Superman was incapable of knocking Metallo "off his feet," even though it still wouldn't have helped Supes. There is no way that Superman could've pulled off a victory if Metallo hadn't have slipped up. That is Superman's luck at its finest.

LOL okay dispite the fact supes suffered no injury? LOL It wouldnt make any difference even if Metallo would have ripped Kals head off and pooped down his neck. The fight took place AFTER Death of Superman. THAT doesn't meet my criteria.

And as for the Parasite's fight, I won't even bother. You'll only pick it apart and dismiss it anyway.

Oh you won't bother because you haven't actually got the resources

YOU are the one who droned about how how villains have already physically beaten supes almost to death (before Doomsday) in a straight up fist fight. So Why the hell can't you SHOW ME? Are you incapable?

I don't usually tell people to stop posting, but in this case, I do agree.

Gee I wonder why?

 

[Spike_x1]

Oh you won't bother because you haven't actually got the resources

I refer to my original reason. You're not going to accept it anyway.

YOU are the one who droned about how how villains have already physically beaten supes almost to death (before Doomsday) in a straight up fist fight. So Why the hell can't you SHOW ME? Are you incapable?

I never said "straight up fist fight." You're the one who continually brought that up. I was arguing that the villains have (or would have) beaten Superman with their gimmicks. Doomsday's gimmick just happened to be strength and smashing stuff, which I assumed was the gimmick of choice that you were defending with your constantly bringing up the whole "straight up fist fight" jazz.

And BTW, at what point did you specify that it had to be after the Death of Superman? I can't seem to find the source of this criteria limitation in any of your posts?

 

[Guyverjay]

I refer to my original reason. You're not going to accept it anyway.I never said "straight up fist fight." You're the one who continually brought that up. I was arguing that the villains have (or would have) beaten Superman with their gimmicks. Doomsday's gimmick just happened to be strength and smashing stuff, which I assumed was the gimmick of choice that you were defending with your constantly bringing up the whole "straight up fist fight" jazz.

But THAT was my original point, the one which YOU challenged Is THIS familiar? "He beat Superman death in a straight up fist fight, that's not supposed to happen". You not only challenged this quote but you even BOLDED "thats not supposed to happen"

And BTW, at what point did you specify that it had to be after the Death of Superman? I can't seem to find the source of this criteria limitation in any of your posts?

Oh for petes sake, do I have to spell it out for you??

I said that noone had done what Doomsday had did to Superman , thats why he got the notoriety. So what the hell is the point in bringing up instances of sups getting beat down AFTER Doomsday has already accomplished it?

 

[Spike_x1]

You should try calming down a smidgen. Your writing makes you seem like you're putting too much emotion into this.

But THAT was my original point, the one which YOU challenged Is THIS familiar? "He beat Superman death in a straight up fist fight, that's not supposed to happen". You not only challenged this quote but you even BOLDED "thats not supposed to happen"

Read this carefully, because it obviously didn't sink in with my previous post: When you said "straight up fist fight" I assumed that you were speaking of villains defeating Superman with their gimmicks (smashing stuff wildly is Doomsday's gimmick). I admit now that that assumption was faulty on my part.

Oh for petes sake, do I have to spell it out for you??

I said that noone had done what Doomsday had did to Superman , thats why he got the notoriety. So what the hell is the point in bringing up instances of sups getting beat down AFTER Doomsday has already accomplished it?

The phrasing of that does not limit fights to having taken place before the "Death of Superman." It simply means past tense, so a fight could even have happened yesterday and it would fit within those parameters.

And when you say that it's "not supposed to happen," why does that have to exclude Pre-Crisis continuity (I am aware that you did specify this limitation, but I'm just wondering why)? Anyone around the Hype who knows me knows of my distaste for that continuity, but they do still qualify as Superman stories. Mongul would've killed Superman in "For The Man Who Has Everything," but it doesn't count because it's Pre-Crisis? Why not? It's still a fight between Superman and a supervillain where both of them were at their prime.

 

[Joker]

You're just being picky and annoying for the hell of it. I've proven that Superman can be beaten and would be very much dead if it weren't for his miraculous luck, citing specific events from the comics. I think I might even feel sorry for you if your definition for Superman being beaten is so narrow.

The one fight that matches your exact criteria, and you dismiss it, despite the fact that Superman could do absolutely nothing to harm Metallo during the fight until he (luckily) stepped onto a truck and lost connection with the earth. If it had continued, and Metallo had stayed on the ground, he would have won. He didn't have to stay on his feet as you seem to imply. He simply had to be in contact with the ground. And no, as a matter of fact, they did prove during that fight that Superman was incapable of knocking Metallo "off his feet," even though it still wouldn't have helped Supes. There is no way that Superman could've pulled off a victory if Metallo hadn't have slipped up. That is Superman's luck at its finest.

And as for the Parasite's fight, I won't even bother. You'll only pick it apart and dismiss it anyway. I don't usually tell people to stop posting, but in this case, I do agree.

you have the greatest avatar EVER...old school The Mask was great, I have every issue

 

[Spike_x1]

Thanks man. IMO the Jim Carrey version was good for a watered down interpretation, but I wish we could've seen Walter in the movie at some point, and I wish that Big Head was as dark and violent as he should've been.

They should try to make a new movie in a few years. I still refuse to see Son of the Mask and I hope audiences can forget that that movie ever existed.

 

[Joker]

Thanks man. IMO the Jim Carrey version was good for a watered down interpretation, but I wish we could've seen Walter in the movie at some point, and I wish that Big Head was as dark and violent as he should've been.

They should try to make a new movie in a few years. I still refuse to see Son of the Mask and I hope audiences can forget that that movie ever existed.

I totally agree...the Carrey version got the wackey comedy they comics had, but not the over the top cartoon violence but with real consequences...if I ever fulfill my dream of becoming a director one of my top priorities is to make a Sin City style adaptation of the Mask

 

[Spike_x1]

More power to you!

If you ever fulfill that dream, definitely try to find a way to work in the image of the Mask's bloody grinning face from the cover of "The Mask Returns."

 

[Joker]

I love that cover so much...I also love the one where he's in the yellow zoot suit

 

[The Question]

I never really read The Mask, but I really really want to. However, from what I understand, the film could easily have been more like the comics if they raised the rating to an R and added lots of blood to the scenes where The Mask was fighting people. I mean, the part where the mobster got sucked down the drain would have been much cooler if it was shown as how the human body would really look if it were sucked through a hole that tiny with enough force.

 

[Joker]

I never really read The Mask, but I really really want to. However, from what I understand, the film could easily have been more like the comics if they raised the rating to an R and added lots of blood to the scenes where The Mask was fighting people. I mean, the part where the mobster got sucked down the drain would have been much cooler if it was shown as how the human body would really look if it were sucked through a hole that tiny with enough force.

alot of the stuff from the movie was straight from the comics but watered down. Like when he makes the gun out of the baloon animals, that was exactly like the comics, except after he made the gun he ventilated the punks instead of shooting over them. Same with the mechanics, in the comics he shoved mufflers down there throats, so when they found them they were dead with really long throats in the shapes of mufflers.

According to the commentary on the movie, the orignal scripts were all closer to the comics, but when the director came on board he decided he didn't like the comics, or that direction for it, and decided to make it a wacky comedy instead. From what I've heard about it too, Jim Carrey was signed on when it was still the dark horror-esque black comedy, and I think that would have been a great way for him to break away from the whole Ace Ventura stereo-type alot sooner than he did.

 

[The Question]

That is a damned shame. And really, it wouldn't have been hard. All they needed were a few changes here and there to darken things up.

 

[Spike_x1]

alot of the stuff from the movie was straight from the comics but watered down. Like when he makes the gun out of the baloon animals, that was exactly like the comics, except after he made the gun he ventilated the punks instead of shooting over them. Same with the mechanics, in the comics he shoved mufflers down there throats, so when they found them they were dead with really long throats in the shapes of mufflers.

According to the commentary on the movie, the orignal scripts were all closer to the comics, but when the director came on board he decided he didn't like the comics, or that direction for it, and decided to make it a wacky comedy instead. From what I've heard about it too, Jim Carrey was signed on when it was still the dark horror-esque black comedy, and I think that would have been a great way for him to break away from the whole Ace Ventura stereo-type alot sooner than he did.

Yeah, even watered down, Carrey was still perfect for the role. And if he was willing to do it even before it became a "family friendly" comedy, then sweet . Wish things had turned out that way.