Dundee to Celebrate Christmas minus the Christ part.

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http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/Dundee-to-celebrate-Christmas-with.5821484.jp

IT IS a story that could have come straight out of the pages of Dr Seuss's The Grinch that Stole Christmas.

City leaders in Dundee are planning a spectacular festive celebration – but with no references to Christianity.

Hailed as a celebration of Dundee's contemporary culture and innovative past, festive season revellers are being promised a visual feast of projections and lights later this month. It will be a "Winter Light Night" of festive season illuminations, audiovisual displays, music, street art performances and a children's torchlight procession.

But yesterday the city council and the event's organisers were under attack from church leaders, who accused them of eroding the religious significance of Christmas by removing all references to Christianity from the annual switch on of the city's Christmas lights.

And, instead of the traditional nativity story, the festival will feature a solar-powered disco, a continental market, a circus and a fairy on stilts.

Members of Dundee's Church of Scotland Presbytery have condemned the decision and are urging Kirk members to contact their local councillors to protest against the move.

The presbytery's church and society committee is also planning to raise the concerns with the city council.

The Rev Allan Webster, vice-convener of the committee and chaplain to both Dundee City Council and the city's Overgate Centre, said: "We understand that the Christmas lights are being switched on without the usual events surrounding that.

"The presbytery is concerned at the dropping of the term 'Christmas lights' in favour of 'winter lights' at the festival."

Mr Webster said the Kirk's convener was writing to the council chief exective to express concern. "Members of all the congregations within the presbytery are also being encouraged to take the matter up with their councillors.

"Christmas is a Christian festival, and the dropping of the term Christmas lights and the telling of the Christmas story is an erosion of the religious festival."

He added: "I don't think there is anything sinister here. I think it is more a case of this having slipped through the cracks rather being any sort of politically correct move.

"The presbytery's concern is that somehow, the Christmas aspect of the festival has fallen off the edge."

Mr Webster also explained that as chaplain to the council, he had been invited last year to give a Christmas message before the lights switch-on. It appeared unlikely that he would be playing any role at this year's event.

But he stressed: "I am not knocking the whole programme. It is important for all faiths to be able to celebrate their festivals and I must stress I would also be concerned if people of any other religion had theirs diluted."

A spokesman for Dundee City Council said: "When we are contacted by Dundee Presbytery we will look at the points they are raising and respond to them."
I have to be honest, I think this is a stupid idea. Anyone who knows me knows that I'm not a Christian but for the city to celebrate a religious holiday minus the religion is just stupid. If the city doesn't want to respect a religion (which would be awesome) they can do it by not celebrating any religious holidays. Not by celebrating a religious holiday and then removing the religion.

EDIT: A festivus for the rest of us?
 
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That's not a Christ...

This... Is a Christ...
 
Christmas hasn't been a purely religious holiday for ages. I've known Jews that celebrate it for the secular portions. The only stupid thing I see here is the changing of the name of the lights.
 
I can see that the holiday we call Christmas was basically a pagan holiday that the Catholic church took as it's own to compete with pagans for coolest holiday or whatever, but they're going out of their way to remove the religious aspect from a holiday that is still considered by most to be religious in nature or at least have religious connections.

Why is a city celebrating anything really?
 
My home city. And no-one cares about this but the Church authorites. (Funnily enough, there are medieval churches on every street in the city centre, most none of them are open bar one, this one, while this one has been converted to a youth centre.) Christmas was adapted to be about Christ anyway, it was never originally celebrated for him.

Funny, if it weren't for this thread then I wouldn't have known, we're very secular anyway.
 
So if your town is very secular what exactly are they doing to make it even more secular?
 
Excuse me? The UK as a whole is secular. This news didn't even make our local newspaper.
 
It made the news nonetheless which means it garnered attention, in order for that to happen something would've had to have changed. What changed?
 
Oh right, sorry I misunderstood what you asked. Tbh, I don't know. We never have Xmas celebrations with Christ, it's more Santa iconography. Maybe because they've announced that they're actively not portraying Christ?
 
Hmm... Strange then that the church would care.
 
Because they've been publicly excluded.
 
There's really two Christmases. One is about Santa Claus and gift-giving, the other is about Jesus and celebrating his birth. Both land on the same day, and both promote good will towards others.
 

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