Superman Returns DVD sales info?

[Ita-KalEl]

The possible top 12 for 2006 - POTC, Cars, Narnia, X-Men 3, Harry Potter, Kong, Ice Age 2, Over The Hedge, MI3, Da Vinci, V For Vendeatta, Monster House. There are 12 anyway that will beat SR.

LOL V for Vendetta, Monster House. MI3? Poor Lexlives.
LexLives it's Christmas and I want to help you t:

Top 10 DVD Sales - 2006
Data from Jan 1 - Dec 10, 2006


1 Harry Potter and the
Goblet of Fire Warner Home Video 03-07-06
2 Chronicles of Narnia: The
Lion, The Witch, and
the Wardrobe Disney/Buena Vista Home Vid 04-04-06
3 Cars Disney/Buena Vista Home Vid 11-07-06
4 Pirates of the Caribbean:
Dead Man's Chest Disney/Buena Vista Home Vid 12-05-06
5 Wedding Crashers Warner Home Video 01-03-06
6 King Kong Universal Home Ent 03-28-06
7 Walk the Line 20th Century Fox Home Ent 02-28-06
8 Over the Hedge Paramount Home Video 10-17-06
9 Little Mermaid Disney/Buena Vista Home Vid 10-03-06
10 Chicken Little Disney/Buena Vista Home Vid 03-21-06


You you can see that there is not any sign of your X-Men: The Last Stand ($5m in its first week) and IA2 ($4m in its first week).
Then Cars is selling like hotcakes.
I would remember you that in the week of the release of the SR DVD, Cars sold the 32% of the SR total.
And If you check the percentages of sales, by now SR is selling like IA2. I really can't see how SR could be considered a disappointment. Maybe SR is behind IA2 and X3, but

1) it is really close to them


2) X3 was released on the first of October, it's not so fair to compare the total sales to the sales of a movie released on the 26th of November.


3) The animated movie does usually better numbers then the sh movies. Even Batman Begins was beaten by Madagascar, The Incredibles, Polar Express and Shark Tale.

4) SR is generating at least the same money of Batman Begins.

And to prove it there are the rentals numbers. In the history of the HV there is not a single movie, wich is considered a flop, able to set the record of the year in the rentals.

 

[lexlives]

LOL V for Vendetta, Monster House? Poor Lexlives.
LexLives it's Christmas and I want to help you t:

Top 10 DVD Sales - 2006
Data from Jan 1 - Dec 10, 2006


1 Harry Potter and the
Goblet of Fire Warner Home Video 03-07-06
2 Chronicles of Narnia: The
Lion, The Witch, and
the Wardrobe Disney/Buena Vista Home Vid 04-04-06
3 Cars Disney/Buena Vista Home Vid 11-07-06
4 Pirates of the Caribbean:
Dead Man's Chest Disney/Buena Vista Home Vid 12-05-06
5 Wedding Crashers Warner Home Video 01-03-06
6 King Kong Universal Home Ent 03-28-06
7 Walk the Line 20th Century Fox Home Ent 02-28-06
8 Over the Hedge Paramount Home Video 10-17-06
9 Little Mermaid Disney/Buena Vista Home Vid 10-03-06
10 Chicken Little Disney/Buena Vista Home Vid 03-21-06


You you can see that there is not any sign of your X-Men: The Last Stand ($5m in its first week) and IA2 ($4m in its first week).
Then Cars is selling like hotcakes.
I would remember you that in the week of the release of the SR DVD, Cars sold the 32% of the SR total. If you check the percentages of sales, by SR is selling like IA2. Maybe SR is behind IA2 and X3, but it is really close to them, and it is generating at least the same money of Batman Begins.

But note too SR did not make the top 10 for 2006 after its big first 2 weeks out. So much for it being a monster on DVD,3rd week its sales fell to 400K or so and will drop sharply now that the holiday is over.

All DVD sales are fronloaded. BB did 70% additional sales after its first week. 4 million and ended up at 6.8 million.

BB has much stronger legs than SR, SR fell out of the top ten in week 3 - BB week 5,

So the 70% multiplier is probably too high for SR but using it and taking 3 million first week sales (average of 2.5 - 3.5 range for first week) SR will end up at 5.1 or 5.2 total sales when it is over. Not including the boxset. I am interested only in a straight fair comparison to BB and BB is going to blow it away on DVD.

Even if I take your 3.5 million week number thhe overgenerous 70% multiplier brings SR short of 6 million and a million or so short of BB's final number.i


So much for SR beating BB. BB was 6 or so last year in rankings. Look for SR to be 16, 17 or 18. Can't give a closer estimate as I am not sure what Chicken Little's numbers are.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

I totally disagree.
If SR will not be #6 it's only because during the 2006 there were a lot of terrific releases in the HV market: Narnia, HP, King Kong, POTC2, Cars...
If you see the 2005 dvd chart, you can easily understand that IA2, X3 and probablu even Superman Returns would have been already in the top10:

http://www.leesmovieinfo.net/Video-Sales.php

According to your stupid way to use the logic, SR would be more successful than Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban because SR finished the year #5 and HP #6.
LOL

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?yr=2006&p=.htm

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?yr=2004&p=.htm

Wake Up Lexlives.
Even if not incredible, the SR dvd sales are good enough to start a highly profitable franchise

 

[lexlives]

I totally disagree.
If SR will not be #6 it's only because during the 2006 there were a lot of terrific releases in the HV market: Narnia, HP, King Kong, POTC2, Cars...
If you see the 2005 dvd chart, you can easily understand that IA2, X3 and probablu even Superman Returns would have been already in the top10:

http://www.leesmovieinfo.net/Video-Sales.php

According to your stupid way to use the logic, SR would be more successful than Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban because SR finished the year #5 and HP #6.
LOL

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?yr=2006&p=.htm

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?yr=2004&p=.htm

Wake Up Lexlives.
Even if not incredible, the SR dvd sales are good enough to start a highly profitable franchise

X-Men3 would have been in the top ten certainly by now but SR - are you saying it has sold 6.4 million copies cause that is what it would have taken. Using the 70% BB factor for X3 it would end up at around 8.5 million units when sales are over. But as with SR, BB had better legs on DVD than X3 so the 70% multiplier is probably too high.

WE agree to disagree, In 2 weeks or so the grand total figures for 2006 DVD sales will be relased and we will see by how much SR cracked the top 20.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

I say that everything ahead the 5m of units sold (UC included) has to be considered a success.

 

[lexlives]

I say that everything ahead the 5m of units sold (UC included) has to be considered a success.

We will see WB's reaction to the final numbers and get an idea of what a success it is or is not. It will be interesting if TW mentions the DVD sales for SR in its quarterly report during the first week of February. If not that will tell a lot.

But 5.1 or 5.2 million when X-Men 3 will be around 8 million and BB a year ago, before the past years surge in DVD purchases, did 6.8. That will not be a good result and if that is around the final number I guarantee the entertainment press will call the DVD sales disappointing.

BTW, SR has not set a record in rentals for the year. It will be impossible for it to top X-Men's 44 million by next Sunday. Or any number of films. It set a first week rental record but not total rental record. The total is what counts.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

The WB will not have any bad reaction, the sales are solid, expecially because the dvd is selling well in the foreign markets.
Lex, if you hope that the dvd sales will change the WB plans about the sequel, sorry, but you are wrong.

 

[lexlives]

The WB will not have any bad reaction, the sales are solid, expecially because the dvd is selling well in the foreign markets.
Lex, if you hope that the dvd sales will change the WB plans about the sequel, sorry, but you are wrong.

Many factors could changw WB's mind or Singer's. He wants to do Wolverine and the studio wants him for the new X-Men prequel trilogy. And we know from comments he is tempted. This story has a while to play out yet.

The DVD sales if not too good will if nothing else maybe force them to force Singer to make changes. Its going to take more than just more action for a Singer sequel to maae a big box office gain over SR which WB is expecting/demanding.

Singer would be up against FF3 in 2009 and that will be huge competition - have you seen the FF2 teaser - awesome! Better than any of the teasers/trailers for SR IMO.

 

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

^^

I don't agree.

 

[ultimatefan]

ps: yep , i had a very good christmas thanks you Hope it was good for you too dude

Yeah, it was nice... Got a little stuffed, spent way too much time with the gf on the phone - she was visiting her parents - and watched the Spider-Man 2 DVD with commentary for the fourth hundreth time or so - at the current pace I´m sure SR will more or less catch up...

 

[Ita-KalEl]

Many factors could changw WB's mind or Singer's. He wants to do Wolverine and the studio wants him for the new X-Men prequel trilogy. And we know from comments he is tempted. This story has a while to play out yet.

The DVD sales if not too good will if nothing else maybe force them to force Singer to make changes. Its going to take more than just more action for a Singer sequel to maae a big box office gain over SR which WB is expecting/demanding.

Singer would be up against FF3 in 2009 and that will be huge competition - have you seen the FF2 teaser - awesome! Better than any of the teasers/trailers for SR IMO.

I totally disagree.
The DVD sales are good enough to greenlit the movie with a strong budget. After the ComiCon you wrote that Singer was a liar and that the announced 2009 release date was only a dirty move to make pressure on the WB. The truth was the WB and Singer talked about the sequel before the ComiCon and even Halan Horn confirmed the 2009 release date. Since the SR release date the WB excecs have been always supportive with Singer's job. Infact Singer signed the deal to direct the sequel two mounths ago.

LexLives we know that you are one of the worst haters/trolls of the net, but for one time, please, use your brain.
If the studios are making the sequels of movies like Hellboy and The Hulk, how do you think that WB would can the sequel of a 391m movie like Superman Returns. SR is selling well in the HV market , expecially overseas, where SR is outgrossing the batman begins dvd sales.

LOL FF3 huge competition? The FF2 will be lucky to cross the 160m at the box office. IMO the SR's teaser was EPIC, the FF2 teaser is a videoclip of a videogame.
If SRII is the "X2" of the Superman franchise, it will be simply IMMENSE.
Singer showed to be terrific with the sequels.

Lexlives SR has the 2006 record in the rentals. Find a movie that did more in the first three weeks.

 

[Hunter Rider]

This is crazy,why must either "side" always take a swipe at another movie or use another movie as weight in their argument ?

SR did moderately well and wasn't a total failure but isn't a big hitter either especially not considering the character

 

[Antonello Blueberry]

LOL FF3 huge competition? The FF2 will be lucky to cross the 160m at the box office. IMO the SR's teaser was EPIC, the FF2 teaser is a videoclip of a videogame.

Come on, don't play his same game. F4 was a good success, it made more money than Batman Begins in a lot of markets (in Italy it made twice the money of BB) and the sequel will make even more money, with new characters and probably improved effects. And the teaser is very nice.
If the third F4 movie will really get released in summer 2009, it will have to face a great competitor not in the SR sequel but in Avatar.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

This is crazy,why must either "side" always take a swipe at another movie or use another movie as weight in their argument ?

SR did moderately well and wasn't a total failure but isn't a big hitter either especially not considering the character

I agree, I don't like talking about other sh movies in the wrong forum too. Excuse me, but LexLives is such a bigger troll that has to write about the useless FF3VsSRII argument.
I agree, your analysis is perfect. SR was not the success that the WB expected to be, but it is successful enough to make a sequel.

LexLives you continue to not see the facts.
These are the words of Jeff Robinov:

"Superman Returns' will be profitable for us, we would have liked it to have made more money, but it reintroduced the character in a great way and was a good launching pad for the next picture. We believe in Bryan and the franchise. Clearly, this was the most emotional and realistic superhero movie ever made."

Stop. So you are right if you say that they expected more, you are wrong if you say that SR is a flop and that they'll can the sequel.

Personally I'm quite sure that the sequel will be successful.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

Come on, don't play his same game. F4 was a good success, it made more money than Batman Begins in a lot of markets (in Italy it made twice the money of BB) and the sequel will make even more money, with new characters and probably improved effects. And the teaser is very nice.
If the third F4 movie will really get released in summer 2009, it will have to face a great competitor not in the SR sequel but in Avatar.

I agree, LexLives is a troll. I don't want to talk about the new FF movie.
But before talking about how hard will be for Superman II to top the FF3 success, I would like to see if the FF2 movie is a good movie. There is a little difference between a clip and a movie. And we are forgetting that the first FF movie did $154,696,080 in the U.S.A. while BB did $205,343,774 and SR $200,081,192. And in Italy even the crappy Hulk did far more than BB.

Despite all it would be nice if FF2 was a success, It would confirm the trend that the good sequels improve the box office. A good news even for Superman Returns.

 

[lexlives]

I agree, LexLives is a troll. I don't want to talk about the new FF movie.
But before talking about how hard will be for Superman II to top the FF3 success, I would like to see if the FF2 movie is a good movie. There is a little difference between a clip and a movie. And we are forgetting that the first FF movie did $154,696,080 in the U.S.A. while BB did $205,343,774 and SR $200,081,192. And in Italy even the crappy Hulk did far more than BB.

Despite all it would be nice if FF2 was a success, It would confirm the trend that the good sequels improve the box office. A good news even for Superman Returns.

Ita-Kalel - just trying to set th numbers right on the DVD sales as we know them.

The whole point to start with was that your first week figure of 3.5 or 3.7 million is on its face and using what we know simply wrong.

How do we know that - second week of SR POTC did 10.5 million and SR 7.7% of that - if you do the numbers that puts SR at 770K the second week - not 800+ as you say. Given the standard 75% drop from week 1 that makes week 1 for SR 3.08 million. Round to 3.1 million. I am using the very same numbers you quote here in your posts but you say SR did 800+ its second week based on these numbers. What kind of math is that?

We know this also from the IA2 numbers. It did 48+% of SR in SR's first week out. It had a less than 75% drop so if we give it a great number - in terms of drop - that would be a 65% drop. So it did 4.2 its first week and fell only 65% its second week. Puts IA2 at 1.47 million its second week and, at 48% of SR that puts SR again right at around 3 million.

You can't make the numbers come out any other way.


These are the numbers based on reasonable estimates so far:

Week 1 3.1 million

Week 2 770K

Week 3 385 K assuming a standard 75% drop for POTC.

Through week 3 that puts SR at 4.3 million.

Thoise numbers are not debatable.

The week before XMAS - I dunno maybe 300K and the week after - big drop but who knows for sure 100K seems reasonable.

Through year end that will bring sales to 4.70 million excluding the boxset.

Beyond January there will be a much smaller sales volume. SR is probably barely going to reach 5 million by the end of its run - excluding the boxset numbers.

Any way you dice it if SR fails to do better than 5 million that is not a good result. Especially this year when DVD movie sales are up quite a bit across the board from last year. Remember X-Men3 did 5 million in its first week alone. Its a very strong year for DVD sales as you indicated in an above post.

Again, these numbers are not debatable as we have the % for week 2 of POTC and we also have it for week 3.

There is a silver lining in SR doing 5 million or so and that is if Singer gets a greenlight you can bet the studio will insist on changes - changes Singer otherwise might not have made. The downside is the lesser the DVD sales the more likely WB will insist on coming in at the lower end of the rumored 145 million - 175 million budget for a sequel.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

Lex we are sick of your stupid speculations.
You are the same troll that in the 2002 wrote that Superman was a dead franchise, that SR would have been destroyed by Batman Begins at the box office and that King Kong would have done more than Titanic. LOL
By now we know only that SR outgrossed BB worldwide and it is doing the same thing in the ww HV market.

According to you Singer would never have signed to direct the sequel but he did it two mounths ago.
Horn, Robinov, Legendary Pictures said that they want the sequel, Singer is already working on it.
Your stupid speculations aren't the truth. If you were right the WB would never have greenlit a new Superman movie and King Kong would be the #1 movie in the cinema history.

The DVD numbers aren't incredible, but SR is selling well. You'll see it in the TW report.
reguarding the budget wtf are you writing? SR did more than 390m at the box office and you think that the WB will not greenlit a sequel with a budget of 145m?

According to you Batman Begins was a flop (150m of budget and 370m ww at the b.o. ) and the budget of the new hulk will be of 30m max.
LOL

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I just want to get something straight, I never said or thought that SR's DVD sales would be bad and even though we still don't have any numbers, I still think that it will do decent but not extraordinary numbers.

I haven't seen any proof that it is doing extrordinary numbers for the type of film it is. The problem with most people on these boards is the black and white mentality. If someone says the movie is doing horribly it's doing amazingly well. How about neither? As of right now the movie seems to be doing neither great nor bad numbers; for a 200 million dollar action adventure flick. From the little we know it seems to be doing okay and I know that dissappoints the people who hate and love the movie, but tough beans. Suck it up and except it. Me, I'll talk about the early sales but at the end of the day I'm going to wait for the dust to settle to give my final word.

 

[lexlives]

Lex we are sick of your stupid speculations.
You are the same troll that in the 2002 wrote that Superman was a dead franchise, that SR would have been destroyed by Batman Begins at the box office and that King Kong would have done more than Titanic. LOL
By now we know only that SR outgrossed BB worldwide and it is doing the same thing in the ww HV market.

According to you Singer would never have signed to direct the sequel but he did it two mounths ago.
Horn, Robinov, Legendary Pictures said that they want the sequel, Singer is already working on it.
Your stupid speculations aren't the truth. If you were right the WB would never have greenlit a new Superman movie and King Kong would be the #1 movie in the cinema history.

The DVD numbers aren't incredible, but SR is selling well. You'll see it in the TW report.
reguarding the budget wtf are you writing? SR did more than 390m at the box office and you think that the WB will not greenlit a sequel with a budget of 145m?

According to you Batman Begins was a flop (150m of budget and 370m ww at the b.o. ) and the budget of the new hulk will be of 30m max.
LOL

Ita-KaeEl, all I am asking is for an explanation based on the numbers we both know of how you came up with 3.5 - 3.8 million week 1. Simple question.

With all due respect you seem to have been spinning a bit cause, unless you have a source different than you've stated, the ones I am using, then week 1 sales were around 3 million.

That is a million less than BB which had stronger legs on DVD - it was top 10 4 weeks as opposed to 2 for SR so the other assertion that it is selling as well as BB is simply not true.

This is not about a sequel thread. I know WB signed Singer 2 months ago. And we know the budget will be 145 - 175 - my comment being if the DVD sales are only 5 million that will likely have WB holding to the smaller end of that budget range.

Like I said, not a sequel thread. Its about DVD numbers and I am asking simply how you came up with the 3.5 - 3.8 million number.

 

[lexlives]

I just want to ge something straight, I never said or thought that SR's DVD sales would be bad and even though we still don't have any numbers, I still think that it will do decent but not extraordinary numbers.

I haven't seen any proof that it is doing extrordinary numbers for the type of film it is. The problem with most people on these boards is the black and white mentality. If someone says the movie is doing horribly it's doing amazingly well. How about neither? As of right now the movie seems to be doing neither great nor bad numbers; for a 200 million dollar action adventure flick. From the little we know it seems to be doing okay and I know that dissappoints the people who hate and love the movie, but tough beans. Suck it up and except it. Me, I'll talk about the early sales but at the end of the day I'm going to wait for the dust to settle to give my final word.

AMEN - thois was all I was trying to pin down Ita-KaeEl on. It seems like exaggeration to me of the numbers and again its that extreme mentality thing.

For the type of movie it is the numbers are not special I agree - its no BB or X-Men 3 or even quite an X Men 2 on DVD. It is not a flop either. So I'm with you on "neither".

 

[Ita-KalEl]

Lex, sorry, but I don't believe you. You read the data only to bash the movie and to hope that the WB will can the sequel.

I agree with I see Spidey. It's clear that SR did not meet the studio's expectations but it still generating enough money to invest on a sequel.
Despite all SR is stille the #5 movie of the 2006 (you can't deny it dear LexLives), it is doing well in the HV market (rentals and retail) and it sold its merchandise. In one world it is generating profit.
LexLives you think that the WB will stop the sequel of a movie able to cross the 390m mark ww, only because you hate Superman. You said that a new Superman movie would have been a flop even before Singer was signed, even before Ratner.

So if you want to predict the dvd sales numbers because you like it, you are welcome, but if you want to predict the sales because you want to continue to write that there will be not a sequel, please stop it. Because 1) you are always wrong 2) because the speculations of a hater are useless. If you were an insider I would be interested in your ideas. But you are only a troll of the worst species.

 

[lexlives]

Lex, sorry, but I don't believe you. You read the data only to bash the movie and to hope that the WB will can the sequel.

I agree with I see Spidey. It's clear that SR did not meet the studio's expectations but it still generating enough money to invest on a sequel.
Despite all SR is stille the #5 movie of the 2006 (you can't deny it dear LexLives), it is doing well in the HV market (rentals and retail) and it sold its merchandise. In one world it is generating profit.
LexLives you think that the WB will stop the sequel of a movie able to cross the 390m mark ww, only because you hate Superman. You said that a new Superman movie would have been a flop even before Singer was signed, even before Ratner.

So if you want to predict the dvd sales numbers because you like it, you are welcome, but if you want to predict the sales because you want to continue to write that there will be not a sequel, please stop it. Because 1) you are always wrong 2) because the speculations of a hater are useless. If you were an insider I would be interested in your ideas. But you are only a troll of the worst species.

All I want to know is how you came up with your numbers.

Has nothing to do or not with a sequel. Don't know why you are trying to steer the conversation there.

What do you base the 3.5 - 3.8 million first week number on or are you backing off on that now? You either stand by those numbers or not. I get the sense you are backing off them a bit. Correct me if I am wrong. I stand by mine and we will know very shortly now the November/December take.

Won't ask again as you seem not to want to answer.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

By now the discussion is useless. We have to wait the offical numbers. You'll see that you are wrong again.

 

[lexlives]

By now the discussion is useless. We have to wait the offical numbers. You'll see that you are wrong again.

As I thought - you can't take what we know for fact and come up with the numbers you have come up with. You will see shortly as indeed the numbers will be coming soon now.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

Lexlives I work for an important retail and rentals research group.
As I thought you have the brain of a child. If you are really a child, excuse me.

Don't worry lex the real numbers will be out soon.