Eat. Sleep. Wrestling Thread. Repeat. - Part 140

[DarthSkywalker]

Daniel Bryan is the new Shawn Michaels. He doesn't have to be in the title match to get his 'Mania moment, and I really wish people would realize that sooner rather than later because I swear that if childish fans hijack 'Mania, I'm done with being a fan for a while.

So you want the fans to do what exactly? React exactly as the WWE wants them to? Do you realize how ridiculous that is? If they want to chant "Daniel Bryan" or "Yes!" during the main event, why shouldn't they exactly? Especially if they are paying those stupid prices for tickets?

 

[Wheels]

Daniel Bryan is the new Shawn Michaels. He doesn't have to be in the title match to get his 'Mania moment, and I really wish people would realize that sooner rather than later because I swear that if childish fans hijack 'Mania, I'm done with being a fan for a while.

The rumored Bryan vs Sheamus match is simply not good enough. Bryan doesn't have to be in the title match, but he deserves more than some match WWE won't push because of all the part timers WWE pays attention to.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I want to know why the most over guy in the business, arguably the #1 worker in the business, isn't being given the chance to have "the" WM moment this year?

 

[RetroNaz]

^ I vehemently disagree with and reject this idea that Bryan hasn't been adequately 'given the ball' the way Shawn was.

Dude, the fans simply want to see a guy THEY want to see hold the championship. Not the same bunch of guys. There's nothing wrong with this in any way, shape or form at all.

Bryan hasn't been given any ball yet. It's been kicked near him a few times, but there's no way you can compare Bryan's career (as it stands today, in WWE) with Shawn's.

 

[Rincewind]

Daniel Bryan is the new Shawn Michaels. He doesn't have to be in the title match to get his 'Mania moment, and I really wish people would realize that sooner rather than later because I swear that if childish fans hijack 'Mania, I'm done with being a fan for a while.

You're not entirely wrong, if we talk in principle and broad strokes. To be honest, at this point, I think that the title needs Bryan more than Bryan needs the title.

But, Bryan getting his big Mania moment is important and it has to be for the title. Why? Because that's what the whole huge, spiraling story is all about. Ever since the summer. Bryan getting screwed time and time again over the title he's supposed to win ever since he beat Cena clean. Becuase he's not what the "machine" wants. That's the essence of the story they're telling. And to end it, Bryan has to get the title, he has to overcome Triple H and shut the Authority's mouths once and for all. Think of it not so much as wrestling, but basic storytelling - the main character always has to face hardship, has to learn the hard way and has to overcome the odds at the end when it counts. If that doesn't happen, then the whole thing has been for nothing.

For what is worth, I don't think that the fans are being childish. They pay for their tickets and are ENCOURAGED to voice their opinion through booing or cheering. All wrestlers get booed at some point; sometimes it's intentional when they're heels, sometimes it's because the audience wants to boo them for one reason or another (this has been happening to Cena for years now, and on a constant basis - it's not like it's something scandalous or unheard of). Regardless, booing and cheering for whomever the crowd wants, is the crowd's right. They don't want Batista, they don't want Orton, they don't want Cena - they want Bryan. That's beyond arguing. So how else are they to voice their opinion?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You mean the fans were presented with a storyline they got invested in and didn't feel that the WWE just dropping it or worse preventing its ending to suit their vision of what pro wrestling should be was ok? How dare there.

Here is your hero. Your warrior. And here is your event. But the two can't come together. Does anyone doubt the fans would have been insanely happy if Bryan won the Rumble? That they wouldn't be more encouraged to buy WM if Bryan Danielson was in the main event fighting for what is rightfully his?

 

[Herolee10]

^ I vehemently disagree with and reject this idea that Bryan hasn't been adequately 'given the ball' the way Shawn was.

Dude, the fans simply want to see a guy THEY want to see hold the championship. Not the same bunch of guys. There's nothing wrong with this in any way, shape or form at all.

Bryan hasn't been given any ball yet. It's been kicked near him a few times, but there's no way you can compare Bryan's career (as it stands today, in WWE) with Shawn's.

Pretty much what Retro said.

Let's do a recount. Daniel's first World Title Win ended up with him being defeated for it, during his first Mania mach, in less than 2 minutes...and it was presented as the first match of the night of all places.

When Daniel finally won his second world title from Cena, he lost it within the same night as well after being double crossed by Triple H.

Finally, after beating Orton for the championship, he was stripped of the title the very next day for some BS reason.

Do you (Digific) really consider that as being given the ball and running far with it? Really?

 

[Ghostvirus]

Daniel Bryan is the new Shawn Michaels. He doesn't have to be in the title match to get his 'Mania moment, and I really wish people would realize that sooner rather than later because I swear that if childish fans hijack 'Mania, I'm done with being a fan for a while.

Glad I am not the only one that feels this way about the fans. They really don't get it. Daniel would not even be this big if it wasn't for the Authority ignoring them. They are feeding right in to it, & evidently they don't see that.

When I am trying to watch other wrestlers & all I hear is yes chants. It is extremely annoying.

Lets be honest. If Bryan was fired tomorrow. The WWE wouldn't even flinch. Wresting is bigger than Bryan, & there is more going on than just one wrestler.

In all honesty if these fans keep it up. I could see him getting fired. It is reaching a point where it is interfering with the overall product.

 

[DigificWriter]

If they want to chant "Daniel Bryan" or "Yes!" during the main event, why shouldn't they exactly?

Because it's childish and obnoxious. Paying high prices for a ticket shouldn't give you a 'free pass' to behave like a baby just because somebody you like isn't competing in a title match.

 

[Wheels]

Why are we so wrong for wanting a big match for Bryan? Does anyone honesty think Bryan in a non-title match with no part timer will be focused on as a top match at WrestleMania?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Glad I am not the only one that feels this way about the fans. They really don't get it. Daniel would not even be this big if it wasn't for the Authority ignoring them. They are feeding right in to it, & evidently they don't see that.

When I am trying to watch other wrestlers & all I hear is yes chants. It is extremely annoying.

Lets be honest. If Bryan was fired tomorrow. The WWE wouldn't even flinch. Wresting is bigger than Bryan, & there is more going on than just one wrestler.

In all honesty if these fans keep it up. I could see him getting fired. It is reaching a point where it is interfering with the overall product.

So.... why not appease the fans?

You do realize you are mad because the fans are angry at the WWE who continue to poke them. If they want it to stop, why not just give them what they want?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Because it's childish and obnoxious. Paying high prices for a ticket shouldn't give you a 'free pass' to behave like a baby just because somebody you like isn't competing in a title match.

How is it childish and obnoxious? The WWE has been encouraging this behavior for 15 years now. The authority poking the fans and the fans responding is what made the Attitude Era. Except then they occasionally let Austin, Foley and Rocky win.

Should the fans have sat quietly back then when Vince called them out? How about when they "messed with Austin". Should the fans have been polite? Not responded to Austin 3:16? Good lord...

 

[DigificWriter]

Pretty much what Retro said.

Let's do a recount. Daniel's first World Title Win ended up with him being defeated for it, during his first Mania mach, in less than 2 minutes...and it was presented as the first match of the night of all places.

When Daniel finally won his second world title from Cena, he lost it within the same night as well after being double crossed by Triple H.

Finally, after beating Orton for the championship, he was stripped of the title the very next day for some BS reason.

Do you (Digific) really consider that as being given the ball and running far with it? Really?

Being 'given the ball' is not ONLY about holding World titles, though. Bryan's a bonafide main event talent that the WWE can and does use as a major draw regardless of whether or not he's challenging for or holding a title.

How is it childish and obnoxious? The WWE has been encouraging this behavior for 15 years now. The authority poking the fans and the fans responding is what made the Attitude Era. Except then they occasionally let Austin, Foley and Rocky win.

Should the fans have sat quietly back then when Vince called them out? How about when they "messed with Austin". Should the fans have been polite? Not responded to Austin 3:16? Good lord...

Because there's a difference between being engaged and actually ruining an event out of spite.

 

[Rincewind]

I really don't get what's wrong with fans voicing their opinion. How is it childish? Triple H himself has come on television and in a promo with Punk has said that if a wrestler wants to succeed, all he has to do is win the fans over. The fans' support through reaction and purchase of merchendise is a HUGE factor in deciding who gets to be top dog. Because, ultimately, the fans pay the salaries of everyone in the WWE through the tickets, the merchendise and the PPV buys. It's just how wrestling is. The crowd are not just passive viewers, they get to decide who they want to watch and spend their money on. The fans are the big reason why Rock and Stone Cold were made into such huge stars in the 90s. They put asses in seats because people wanted to pay to see them kick ass. It's as simple as that. This has not changed today. The fans want to pay to see Bryan at the top. And the WWE should comply.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ See the edit I just made to my last post.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Because there's a difference between being engaged and actually ruining an event out of spite.

So you get to decide what people are engaged with? Is that what you are saying? Because that is ridiculous. If the fans want change, they are allowed to express that. To complain is naive at best.

 

[Hunter Rider]

This argument is the weirdest I've yet to see in this thread....

At any rate, I hope The Shield vs The Wyatt's is booked as a Chamber match, it'll probably be the closest we ever get to a War Games in WWE.

 

[Wheels]

Being 'given the ball' is not ONLY about holding World titles, though. Bryan's a bonafide main event talent that the WWE can and does use as a major draw regardless of whether or not he's challenging for or holding a title.

But WWE has focused on Nostalgia acts a lot at WrestleMania recently. Surely you can understand our fears a little as the world title is guaranteed to get focus?

 

[Benstamania]

Wait.. There are people blaming the fans for hating the crap Royal Rumble? So.. We're supposed to just take whatever the WWE hands to us? They didn't act childish at all.. They paid their hard earned money and I can guarantee you I would have been chanting for what I wanted to see too. Bryan is big in Pittsburgh.. He wrestled there a lot on the Indy scene (big Indy following in da burgh) as well as RoH.

 

[Herolee10]

Being 'given the ball' is not ONLY about holding World titles, though. Bryan's a bonafide main event talent that the WWE can and does use as a major draw regardless of whether or not he's challenging for or holding a title.

So correct me if I'm wrong, but when was the last time that Bryan was involved in a "Main Event" type of feud when the world title wasn't featured?

And if he is used as much like you say he is by the WWE, then why wasn't he even featured within the Rumble match itself? He may have still lost but it would have been better than not being in it at all.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

This argument is the weirdest I've yet to see in this thread....

At any rate, I hope The Shield vs The Wyatt's is booked as a Chamber match, it'll probably be the closest we ever get a War Games in WWE.

Which is why it won't happen.

Wait.. There are people blaming the fans for hating the crap Royal Rumble? So.. We're supposed to just take whatever the WWE hands to us? They didn't act childish at all.. They paid their hard earned money and I can guarantee you I would have been chanting for what I wanted to see too. Bryan is big in Pittsburgh.. He wrestled there a lot on the Indy scene (big Indy following in da burgh) as well as RoH.

Yep, that is DigificWriter's argument. Forgetting of course that the only reason the Rumble mattered this year was Daniel and the fans' reaction.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

So......we should just put our hands on the stove and continue to let WWE burn us? That's what I'm getting out of this argument so far.

 

[DigificWriter]

the only reason the Rumble mattered this year was Daniel and the fans' reaction

I disagree.

The reason the crowd's behavior comes across as childish and obnoxious boils down to this:
Daniel Bryan has been getting major focus on a fairly consistent basis since the WWE elevated him to main event status by giving him the Money in the Bank briefcase in 2011, regardless of whether or not he's holding a title.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Money In The Bank didn't do nothing for Bryan. He was constantly jobbing to the point where I didn't even know he was still on TV.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

So......we should just put our hands on the stove and continue to let WWE burn us? That's what I'm getting out of this argument so far.

It is hilarious really. The WWE pushes guys like Punk and Bryan just enough that the fans get a taste. These guys who are fighting the authority and they like what they see. Then it is snatched away from them and suddenly the fans are just suppose to be ok. When the entire idea of going against the grain, the authority is about acting out. Making your voice heard by those that don't want to listen. This is exactly what the WWE engendered in their fans. They even tried to replace them with Cena.

The reason it doesn't work with Cena is because he is the establishment. He is represents everything the fans want to change.