Ant-Man Edgar Wright Leaves Ant-Man!!

[Whiskey Tango]

It's starting to appear that Marvel Studios is a HHRRRRNNNNNGHGHHBUURBLE

What a terrible, agenda-laden post. Troll sweat is actually dripping from my internet and oozing it's way down my monitor screen.

 

[terry78]

So now we can't trust Fox, can't trust Marvel Studios, can't trust WB/DC everything is a conspiracy.

It was only a matter of time before we started *****ing about the last studio we "tolerated."

 

[Dr. Evil]

I hear about Disney interfering with Marvel.....funny it hasn't affected this part of Disney:

or this part:

 

[Mysteryman]

As long as it turns into a conspiracy aimed at getting me a great Ant Man movie,
I have no problem with it .

 

[Dr. Evil]

It's starting to appear that Marvel Studios is a tyrannical machine not suitable for artistic/creative directors with vision. The movies are 100% made by producers and CEOs, with a director's name conveniently slapped on the poster. If it's a matter of the studio heads knowing the characters better than anyone, and therefore making better movies that are faithful to the comics, that's fine. But the result is going to be that NO ONE in Hollywood will touch them with a ten-foot pole because of their reputation. They won't get names like Favreau or Norton or Wright. They probably won't even get non-names like Alan Taylor. They need to be careful. I personally can imagine the entire studio not going beyond Phase 3, or maybe even an incomplete Phase 4. Let's be honest, will there REALLY be an Avengers 4 or Avengers 5? Probably not. It will all end sooner rather than later.

So how is that different then every other studio out there?

 

[The Question]

I hear about Disney interfering with Marvel.....funny it hasn't affected this part of Disney:

or this part:

1: Cars.

2: Planes.

3: It hasn't interfered with Lucasfilm yet.

 

[Keyser Soze]

You're crazy. Talk about hyperbole. One director helmed one of the highest grossing films of all time. His absence would be felt. The other can't even gross over $80 million domestically.

Please stop talking.

Why do you keep bringing up this nonsensical argument of "Edgar Wright can't gross over $80 million domestic" point like it's some OOOOOOH GOTCHA moment. It actually undermines your argument, because you know who else was derided for being a cult darling with no genuine box office clout before they were set to direct a Marvel project? Joss Whedon.

 

[Dr. Evil]

1: Cars.

2: Planes.

3: It hasn't interfered with Lucasfilm yet.

Planes wasn't a bad movie and neither was Cars. Cars 2 was a mis-step, but only because of Larry the Cable Guy voicing the lead and not Owen Wilson.

Larry the Cable Guy is an awful actor. One of the worst ever.

 

[The Question]

Planes wasn't a bad movie and neither was Cars. Cars 2 was a mis-step, but only because of Larry the Cable Guy voicing the lead and not Owen Wilson.

Larry the Cable Guy is an awful actor. One of the worst ever.

1: The quality of Cars and Plans is a matter of opinion. '

2: Wether or not they're good movies, the fact that Pixar keeps cranking out films in that franchise is a clear indicator if executive decree. Pixar has historically not been into sequels or franchising.

 

[Dr. Evil]

1: The quality of Cars and Plans is a matter of opinion. '

2: Wether or not they're good movies, the fact that Pixar keeps cranking out films in that franchise is a clear indicator if executive decree. Pixar has historically not been into sequels or franchising.

One sequel I want is The Incredibles 2. That is all I want from Pixar.

 

[The Question]

One sequel I want is Incredible 2. That is all I want from Pixar.

Plus, Toy Story needed a conclusion to Andy's storyline after Toy Story 2 came out.

I agree on both counts, but I'm not sure what your point is.

 

[babykhris]

Did Ant-Man work in the current Disney controlled Marvel Studios? Avengers was a game changer and I can see Disney execs being gun-shy after turds like Lone Ranger & John Carter. I could see Feige in a meeting now.

Disney exec #1: So tell me about this Ant Man film?

Feige: It's about a guy that shrinks.

Disney exec #2: Ok so who does he fight? The guy with the Hammer had people we sold tons of toys of.

Feige (muffled) Kirk Douglas

Disney Exec: Kirk Douglas. He's 100 does he wear a super hero costume?

Feige: No.

Disney Exec: At least that Gunn movie had aliens. Don't kid like aliens? I heard that on Twitbook or YouGram.

Disney Exec 2: Why can't u put Downey in it. People like him.

Feige: This is an Ant Man film....

Disney Exec: Add some crap we can make toys out of or crap this project

 

[Dr. Evil]

I agree on both counts, but I'm not sure what your point is.

My point is that I do not understand the Disney hate. Maybe Pixar and Lucasfilms are bad examples. The perfect example of no Disney interference at all is:

People tend to forget that Disney owns them. As a result they start to have venom towards Disney for interference with Marvel and Pixar. To me that's a bit narrow minded and short sighted. Those who boycott Disney because of their interference with Marvel and Pixar yet watch ESPN and look forward to Star Wars are Hippocrates.

 

[Rock Sexton]

That was uncalled for.

Trust me man, I can tell you're going to be camped out here in this thread for a while now that you've got some new negative MCU stuff to grind that axe on.

But hey, that's your right I guess.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

So everyone is running with the Disney meddling thing now. Which I agree is bull **** if true but I see no real reason to assume it's true and start wringing my hands over it just because some guy on the internet said so.

 

[Rock Sexton]

This is getting a little off topic but dissing Wright, a true artist, because he hasn't made a blockbuster is kind of ignorant. Before Whedon made Avengers he was in a similar boat with even less experience. I know, because fanboys where whining then too before seeing Avengers in the theaters.

Wright a "true artist"? I think you meant "cult" artist.

Whedon was the most make sense director out of all of them because of his experience with ensembles and his status as super-CB nerd who had also written comics for Marvel. It was a match made in heaven, so it wasn't completely about previous BO takes for him.

 

[The Question]

My point is that I do not understand the Disney hate. Maybe Pixar and Lucasfilms are bad examples. The perfect example of no Disney interference at all is:

People tend to forget that Disney owns them. As a result they start to have venom towards Disney for interference with Marvel and Pixar.

1: I don't hate Disney. I kind of love Disney. I'm slightly obsessed with Disney animated musicals. But I acknowledge that the Disney corporation is a corporation, and like most corporations is run primarily by high functioning sociopaths who have an unhealthy obsession with accumulating impractically large amounts of money. Now, when they let their artists do their thing, especially when it comes to things closely associated with the Disney brand and formula like the aforementioned musicals, the results are usually great. But from time to time the Disney executives do choose to meddle in the affairs of their departments and their subsidiaries, and when they do the results are usually blandly inoffensive and unmemorable at best and outright terrible at worst. One of the rumors about why Wright left is that this is what happened, for some reason higher ups at the Disney corporation choose his production to assault with focus-group inspired notes, to the point where Wright found the project untenable and left. If that's true, it's unfortunate, sadly common, and a reason to be worried that the Disney executives might take that kind of hands on approach with other Marvel Studios projects in the future.

2: I don't think ESPN is really comparable to a movie studio. Like, there's very little creativity and artistry involved in informing people when sports happen.

Trust me man, I can tell you're going to be camped out here in this thread for a while now that you've got some new negative MCU stuff to grind that axe on.

But hey, that's your right I guess.

I think I'm a better judge of what I think and what I'm going to do than you are. You don't know me, and I find your insistence that I somehow hate the MCU to be quite baffling. Please don't be so presumptive, it's very rude.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Marvel has done a lot of stuff to break the usual superhero formula and give their filmmakers the opportunity to be themselves, so to see them part ways with Edgar Wright over "creative differences" is very shocking, and some worry a sign of a looming paradigm shift in their movie making.

All because of one man?????????

I don't get it. You gave all these examples of other directors and directions they went with, yet the most obscure property of them all loses their director and suddenly it's a paradigm shift?

 

[Rock Sexton]

I think I'm a better judge of what I think and what I'm going to do than you are. You don't know me, and I find your insistence that I somehow hate the MCU to be quite baffling. Please don't be so presumptive, it's very rude.

I'm familiar with you viewpoints on the MCU. Has nothing to do with being rude.

 

[Dr. Evil]

The MCU is far from perfect, that has been stated. In fact, it upsets me a but that the Avengers are still going to be very, very white (if the rumors of Rhodey making only a cameo are true). I saw DOFP, and they have a lot more diversity than the Avengers. I know that Joss Whedon and Kevin Feige know this is an issue. They need to solve this issue though by Avengers 3. I'm cautiously optimistic that the MCU will fix this issue. Also cautiously optimistic that they will have a solo film with a POC (Black Panther) or a Woman (Carol Danvers). Both are fixable issues that I will keep complaining about until both happen.

 

[The Question]

All because of one man?????????

I don't get it. You gave all these examples of other directors and directions they went with, yet the most obscure property of them all loses their director and suddenly it's a paradigm shift?

It's a departure from how they have done things up until this point, that's my point. I'm not saying is, I'm saying that it might be, which is why some folks are worried.

 

[The Question]

I'm familiar with you viewpoints on the MCU. Has nothing to do with being rude.

1: You're clearly not familiar with my viewpoints, because I don't hate the MCU at all. It's easily the best thing to happen to superhero movies in a long time. I would like it to stay that way, which is why I'm critical of their and Wright's parting ways.

2: It has a lot to do with being rude, because you're being incredibly rude.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

It's a departure from how they have done things up until this point, that's my point. I'm not saying is, I'm saying that it might be, which is why some folks are worried.

since we don't know what exactly happend, unless you are believing the Eh Maybe BS, I'd say it is way too early to get worried.

 

[Rock Sexton]

It's a departure from how they have done things up until this point, that's my point. I'm not saying is, I'm saying that it might be, which is why some folks are worried.

What is a departure? Which part specifically? You're speaking in generalities.

1: You're clearly not familiar with my viewpoints, because I don't hate the MCU at all. It's easily the best thing to happen to superhero movies in a long time. I would like it to stay that way, which is why I'm critical of their and Wright's parting ways.

2: It has a lot to do with being rude, because you're being incredibly rude.

And you're being incredibly veiled.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I am as big of an MCU fan as anybody (and this is coming from a non-CB guy), but DOFP is much more diverse than the Avengers by far.