Ellis on Thunderbolts??

[SpideyInATree]

True dat, CaptainStacy.

 

[Themanofbat]

I don't necessarily know if I'll be enjoying the garbage, but I'll be trying the garbage out.

Another man's garbage is another man's treasure. And, so far, this looks like a treasure to me. Green F'n Goblin, crazy ass old man that he is, leading a team of super villains. That's priceless.

All I'm hearing is a bunch of "Wah wah wah, I'm not getting my way". Suckas.

It has absolutely NOTHING with getting my own way and EVERYTHING to do with the fact that Ellis cannot write established characters while respecting the work of others gone by.

If this was being written by a writer who has a bit of respect for continuity, I might be all over it.

But Ellis has proven on MANY occasions that while his own creations are genius, he spits on continuity to tell "his" own tales.... and I'm not in a position to inflate his already oversized ego.

And that folks, is my two cents.

 

[SpideyInATree]

So, everyone just dislikes Ellis than?

Ok. So, say the same characters were debuting in the book but now the writer is say....ooooooo....DAN SLOTT! Would it be easier to swallow if it were Slott, a blazing fan favorite?

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

It has absolutely NOTHING with getting my own way and EVERYTHING to do with the fact that Ellis cannot write established characters while respecting the work of others gone by.

If this was being written by a writer who has a bit of respect for continuity, I might be all over it.

But Ellis has proven on MANY occasions that while his own creations are genius, he spits on continuity to tell "his" own tales.... and I'm not in a position to inflate his already oversized ego.

And that folks, is my two cents.

I dunno...his version of Hellstorm (Son Of Satan) seemed like a vast improvement to ME. Which established characters has he messed up? (honest question)

 

[TheCorpulent1]

So, everyone just dislikes Ellis than?

Ok. So, say the same characters were debuting in the book but now the writer is say....ooooooo....DAN SLOTT! Would it be easier to swallow if it were Slott, a blazing fan favorite?

Um, yeah. One of the main reasons Slott is a fan-favorite is because he knows his continuity and he respects the work of past creators and the huge, interwoven tapestry that the Marvel universe was in its prime. Ellis likes to play in his own sandbox and ignore everything else.

 

[roach]

Um, yeah. One of the main reasons Slott is a fan-favorite is because he knows his continuity and he respects the work of past creators and the huge, interwoven tapestry that the Marvel universe was in its prime. Ellis likes to play in his own sandbox and ignore everything else.

it doesnt matter if Stan Lee was the writer on this book there is no feasible reason for these guys to be on this team

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The main reason I'm not buying it is because of the characters as well. I was just trying to explain why Slott would be preferrable to Ellis within a mainstream title entrenched in the mainstream continuity.

 

[SpideyInATree]

it doesnt matter if Stan Lee was the writer on this book there is no feasible reason for these guys to be on this team

See, now I'm confused. It seemed that it was just Ellis' involvement. I didn't know the posters here had a hard on for hating on Ellis, I thought he was a fan favorite here.

So, to some it has to do with Ellis and his penchant for wanting to "play in his own sandbox". And to the others it has to do with the way this new team of Thunderbolts have formed together.

And if Stan Lee wrote this it would have the most CORNY dialogue EVER. Man, did you READ that Stan Lee Meet Spider-Man? Holy crap I thought I was back in the 60's.

 

[Doc Destruction]

If only.

 

[gildea]

And if Stan Lee wrote this it would have the most CORNY dialogue EVER. Man, did you READ that Stan Lee Meet Spider-Man? Holy crap I thought I was back in the 60's.

I actually thought the dialogue was perfect in that.

Really i want stan back on AMS.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I actually thought the dialogue was perfect in that.

Really i want stan back on AMS.

Amazing Man-Spider? That'd be cool. 22 pages of stark-raving mad, mutated spider action every month.

 

[gildea]

git

 

[gildea]

Anyhoo I'll prob be buying this.

These guys are villains there isn't too much continuity for ellis to 'mess up' on, I can't see it being some deep story just some dumb fun and explosions.

Plus good to see bullseye back in his costume.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Ellis definitely seems to like dumb fun and explosions, if Nextwave is any indication.

 

[SpideyInATree]

I actually thought the dialogue was perfect in that.

Really i want stan back on AMS.

I guess we just differ. Spider-Man was acting like such a wimpy loser in that book.

"Oh, Stan I want to quit! Wah wah wah!" How many times have we dealt with that as Spider-Man fans? Like a MILLION times?

 

[gildea]

I guess we just differ. Spider-Man was acting like such a wimpy loser in that book.

"Oh, Stan I want to quit! Wah wah wah!" How many times have we dealt with that as Spider-Man fans? Like a MILLION times?

Given the context I took it as satirical.

Particularly how spidey just turned around and stans closing lines.

But different strokes for different folks etc..

 

[Darthphere]

Oh, im DEFINITELY checking this out! Can't wait. I mean, i love the current series (wish Fabs and company were handling the new direction), but let's be honest; sales were in the toilet, about to be flushed...

At least this way, we still have Melissa & Dr.Chen, interaction with some cool new (to the book) villains, and fodder for the anti-Marvel set to ***** about...

I mean, EVERYBODY wins!

Except fans of Thunderbolts.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

To be honest, fans of Thunderbolts have been losing for a while. I just dropped T-bolts altogether a couple of months ago because it had just gotten lame.

 

[Joker]

I'll buy it, because I like Ellis, and I like Venom and Green Goblin, and I love Bullseye...plus, if all you guys are already b**ching about it, it must be good

 

[Darthphere]

To be honest, fans of Thunderbolts have been losing for a while. I just dropped T-bolts altogether a couple of months ago because it had just gotten lame.

Sounds like Pre-Bendis Avengers to me.

 

[Themanofbat]

I dunno...his version of Hellstorm (Son Of Satan) seemed like a vast improvement to ME. Which established characters has he messed up? (honest question)

Machine Man, for one, in Nextwave.

He "needs" beer????

Ellis is a joke.

I've yet to read Hellstorm, but the original version was cool enough for me.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Except fans of Thunderbolts.

How so? Again; Mel, Chen, and Karla are still in the book.

I guarantee any of the others who get through Civil War will either appear here on occasion, or eventually get a spin off book if this one does well. (this is Marvel, dont forget)...

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Machine Man, for one, in Nextwave.

He "needs" beer????

Ellis is a joke.

I've yet to read Hellstorm, but the original version was cool enough for me.

Thank you! I thought I was the only person who hated Ellis' bastardization of X-51 in Nextwave.

 

[Kitsune]

Thank you! I thought I was the only person who hated Ellis' bastardization of X-51 in Nextwave.

I haven't actually seen it. I liked the X-51 series. I'm not a big fan of the Machine Man as Bender concept here.

 

[gildea]

heh, ellis's machine man is great.


...silence fleshy ones.