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I really enjoyed this movie while I was in the theater. It was fun to watch and cool to see some of my favorite X-characters back on the screen. X-3 was an entertaining film, but what it was not, was a quality film.
The things that make a good movie (content, character development, engaging screenplay, good story telling, etc) were sadly absent from this film.
The movie was bad. That doesn't mean I didn't enjoy it. That doesn't mean it's not okay to watch.
 
It wasn't bad. It just wasn't what you expected.

X3 is an action popcorn-flick. Like a good Schwarzenegger-movie. There's nothing wrong with that... only a lot of fans wanted pumped-up action AND good storytelling. X2 had the story. X3 has the action. Live with it.
 
Agreed. I loved this movie. It's very rewatchable. It's no X2. I expected that the script, the character developments and the storytelling were going to lack in some parts. But I went in, expecting a great action-flick movie, and I got it. I see X3 as another half of X2. It's full-on action. :up:

What'd you expect, really? You had Rothman riding on its tail from day 1, rushing this movie to get it released RIGHT BEFORE Superman Returns. You had Matthew Vaughn coming onboard and then dropping out later. The movie started shooting w/o a director, from what I've heard. Ratner came onboard in the middle. You got Kinberg, who wrote Fantastic Four and xXx2, and Penn, who wrote the absolute-boring Elektra.
 
the extended edition should really help that quality. what's here is a movie just like daredevil. flashy, fun, but too fast and silly at times with barely any depth to the characters. The DC changed that. Sure clops will still die and wolverclops will take his place so maybe there's nothing that can be done in some respects. hell mags may still allow logan to escape his clutches, or maybe we'll see how he really did escape, more multiple man, more everything. It should rule.
 
Wesyeed said:
the extended edition should really help that quality.
I wouldn't say that just yet. Arad said there will be an extended edition. Ratner said there won't be one.

Just trying to keep low expectations here. Who knows? We might only get a one-disc DVD and that might be it.
 
I think that's the biggest point about this film, it just wasn't what we expected it to be. That doesn't make it bad.
 
I agree. I enjoyed X3. It was better than I expected. Of course, I went in with low expectations......after hearing all the negative comments from critics and on this board.

X3 wasn't bad......it just wasn't as good as X1 or X2. It seemed to lack that "air of intelligence" which Singer's X movies had.

X3 really did feel more like a "comic-book" movie.....whereas, for me, X1 and X2 really didn't feel like "comic-book" movies....they felt like serious movies that happened to have comic book characters in them.

That being said, X3 finally upped the ante and let the Xmen loose with their powers. I always felt Singers Xmen were kind of "wimpy" in their powers, especially in X1. Of course, that was partially due to budget issues, so I don't entirely blame Singer.

Now, just imagine.....if we had the storytelling of X1 and X2.....combined with the action and special effects of X3.........
 
Dark Beast said:
X3 is an action popcorn-flick. Like a good Schwarzenegger-movie. There's nothing wrong with that... X2 had the story. X3 has the action. Live with it.

:up:
 
I think X3 was more about the action where X1 and X2 were definitely more dramatic. In the total scheme of things I think this trilogy went out with a bang.

I had fun with this film despite it's flaws. Ratner did a good job in spite of the obsticles he faced and he should be the last person to recieve any blame.
 
Someone compared this movie to Jurrasic park 3, and I have to say that's a perfect comparison. I liked JP3 since I'm the fan I am of the big dinos eating humans and stuff, but it was rather nothing new or interesting in it to ehance the overall story and not one of the characters did I really give a fart about... x-3 felt the same, not absolutely, but mostly. the beast was my fav part. his conflict interested me... I wish we got more with him. Cool stuff happens and the spectacle is great but the story lacks... something...sense I guess.

Please let there be an extended edition... Lex, Howlett, pray with me. "x-stended edition, bich"
 
I think this is the best in the trilogy, easy.


No drama? I was highly moved by the final scene between Jean and Logan. I was highly moved by the Prof's death, and the x men's pained reaction. I was moved by the Charles/Magneto relationship, which was nailed completely. Jean and Logan realising in horror Rogue's triangle. If you notice, she is never actually cheated on by Bobby.....but it's that fact that she knew that, even without cheating, shadowcat and bobby could have a closer relationship due to her powers. that was one of the factors in her getting a cure, that she could never have a normal relationship, and would always be jealous and insecure in her powers.

The acting was better too. I actually think Halle Berry gave a damn this time and put in some effort, and Famke did her role proud. Xavier and Magneto had sides brought out in them unseen before. Magneto someone who has deep respect for Charles and Xavier as someone who isn't quite the saint he is made out to be, despite his right reasons for doing so. Ellen Page was fantastic.

The themes of the movie were even more complex and deep, without ever offerign easy awnsers. is a cure right? should it be forced on mutants, even dangerous ones? It made magneto snap. after seeing his family wiped out, and his people persecuted and humiliated, it was the final straw.

This was easily the best of the trilogy, though I love the others dearly.
 
Wesyeed said:
Someone compared this movie to Jurrasic park 3, and I have to say that's a perfect comparison. I liked JP3 since I'm the fan I am of the big dinos eating humans and stuff, but it was rather nothing new or interesting in it to ehance the overall story and not one of the characters did I really give a fart about... x-3 felt the same, not absolutely, but mostly. the beast was my fav part. his conflict interested me... I wish we got more with him. Cool stuff happens and the spectacle is great but the story lacks... something...sense I guess.

Please let there be an extended edition... Lex, Howlett, pray with me. "x-stended edition, bich"
:p

Say "x-stended edition" three times in front of a mirror and it will pop up in front of you, lol. Alright, here's to hoping. :up:
 
Oh......X3 had emotional points......perhaps moreso than the first 2.....

Especially.......Prof X's battle with Jean and his death.......the funeral.....the final battle with Jean and Logan.........

The cure was a great ethical plot point.........

It's just that.....the movie felt a little rushed......they never really let anything "sink in".......it was boom next scene.....boom next scene......

IMO, X3 was kind of like the Hulk movie (which I also enjoyed)......it had all the right ideas......it just wasn't executed as well as it should......thus never realizing its full grandeur and potential.....
 
Bullsear said:
I really enjoyed this movie while I was in the theater. It was fun to watch and cool to see some of my favorite X-characters back on the screen. X-3 was an entertaining film, but what it was not, was a quality film.
The things that make a good movie (content, character development, engaging screenplay, good story telling, etc) were sadly absent from this film.
The movie was bad. That doesn't mean I didn't enjoy it. That doesn't mean it's not okay to watch.

you are right on many levals, what makes a good movie, X3 was entertaining etc.

but i think you are sorely mistaken if you don't think this was a quality movie

i have never been one to like poor movies even if they are entertaining (Bad Boys, and Bad Boys 2 are two of my most hated movies of all time)
this is not a Bad Boys 2

lets address the four areas you say make a good movie

First and foremost the character development that everyone is hatting on-

for many of the characters that alot of people have been saying need more development, there development as come through all 3 movies, the most obvious one, is the lack of Rouge

Rouge in X3 all we see is this girl who is unable to touch people with her skin, and probobly will have to go her whole life without human contact, she sees that they have a cure for mutancy, her eyes light up...later in the movie she sees her boyfriend hugging on some other chick, and the last we see of her (basically) is of her walking off a bus into the cure station

many people say that is an underdeveloped character, but if you have been paying attention to Kingberg and Penn, her development, her character, is developed throughout all three movies, from frame 1 of the franchise when she absorbs the guy by kissing him, to one of the final frames of the trilogy where she can finally touch her boyfriends hand

Storytelling and Screenplay are basically the same thing, Screenplay just deals with dialouge and this movies wasn't as bad as i thought it would be coming from the "your shooting is as bad as your cooking" guy

but the story...i thought the story was excellent, it yeilded enough out of it to introduce/ expand upon some characters that hadn't had terrible amounts of screen time so far (Bobby and Pyro confrontation different sides of the same argument, then also Angel was able to be introduced, and Beast of course) and also it was able to chop up the screen time where need be (Magneto and Jean, Wolverine, and Storm being the main characters, Xavier did his customary 1/2 of the movie, then spending the other half knocked out or dead like in all 3)

my only complaints with the story was there wasn't enough Pheonix i think to justify the story, but by no means do i think they are done with her

Acting-fine acting was done by ever cast member Ian Mckellen i feel should have been up for an Academy Award for ever incarnation of Magneto he has done, just brilliant.

there was not one weak actor in the entire movie, vinnie jones had the worst role, a hell hole for any actor to try and work out of but he delivered his lines, and sold them and for the most part made the dumbass work

i thought James Marsden was incredible in his 6 minutes of screen time or whatever, Halley Berry followed up on the studios doing good on giving her more to do, i think her and Wolverine have really good chemistry and it would behoove Fox not to keep those two working in scenes together

Famke, Kelsey Grammer, Aaron Standford, Ellen Page (is that who played shadowcat i think) and Shawn Ashmore where all really good and even the bit roles of Multiple Man, Colossus, Calisto, Dr. Chilton (from silence of the lambs) and trask where good


so this is all opinionated and that is really all that ever justifies a good movie, so to me, what i just listed made it a good movie, but if you choose not to see it that way, go for it

but i would never like or be entertained by a movie i did not tink was of good qaulity, so i just don't understand what line you guys are drawing in that says "well i think this movie sucks, but it was entertianing so i think it was worth my 10 dollars"

i would be asking for my money back if i didn't think it was good, why waste your time...unless of course you want to sound like a legit squire and are saying a movie you really like and thought was good was bad so you can build your street cred

whatever it is, i am a firm believer of Entertianment = Quality, because i am entertained by Quality films like Finding Neverland, Pirates of the Carribean, Pulp Fiction, Boondocks Saints, and Shawshank Redemption, and i completly despise movies like Batman(not begins, begins rules but the rest of them) Termintator 3, Big Mommas House, and the league of extrodanary gentlemen...and i liked X3
 
Bullsear said:
I really enjoyed this movie while I was in the theater. It was fun to watch and cool to see some of my favorite X-characters back on the screen. X-3 was an entertaining film, but what it was not, was a quality film.
The things that make a good movie (content, character development, engaging screenplay, good story telling, etc) were sadly absent from this film.
The movie was bad. That doesn't mean I didn't enjoy it. That doesn't mean it's not okay to watch.

Very true...I enjoyed Mortal Kombat...was it necessarily a good movie..not really..but it was fun to watch
 
I think this movie was just as emotional as x-2 was. But i think everyone on the bored ruined the emotional scenes for themselves because everyone knew what was going to happen in every scene, Before i even went into the theater i knew who was going to die and get cured and everything so i didnt get emotional at all in the movie and i think thats what everyone on the bored who read the spoilers did, it was just as emotional but we knew what was going to happen so it wasnt a big shocker when it did.
 
Phoenix342 said:
I think this movie was just as emotional as x-2 was. But i think everyone on the bored ruined the emotional scenes for themselves because everyone knew what was going to happen in every scene, Before i even went into the theater i knew who was going to die and get cured and everything so i didnt get emotional at all in the movie and i think thats what everyone on the bored who read the spoilers did, it was just as emotional but we knew what was going to happen so it wasnt a big shocker when it did.

i knew who was going to die and i didn't get emotional because the film grazed too quickly over the deaths and the impact the deaths had on the characters...Ratner didn't allow us to get emotionally involved as it could've been..not like Singer did
 
My only problem was, that when Ratner was announced as director I had HUGE doubts (along with many others), then I saw the trailers (that didn't really let you know how much the dialogue and such between characters radically changed) and got hyped up. Then half way through the film the writers just started killing people off, the motives of the writers (who are fans and know X-Men history) and why Marvel OKed all this is sort of confusing.....that said, it was a good action flick, and nothing more.
 
The emotional scenes in this movie were basically "Please cry now" moments. Like someone on another thread mentioned, all that was missing was a guy with a sign in the background that reads "Cry now". Someone died, people broke out in tears, next scene and it's all forgotten.
 
Obsidian said:
i knew who was going to die and i didn't get emotional because the film grazed too quickly over the deaths and the impact the deaths had on the characters...Ratner didn't allow us to get emotionally involved as it could've been..not like Singer did

Yeah but they didn't have time to get over it, they had to catch mags, stop jean, figure out what to do with the school and all that other stuff, mourning had to be put on hold for that stuff to happen, like in x-2 when everyone was crying over jean yeah it was emotional but they didnt have to save the world at the same time so they had time to mourn, they did what they had to do under the circumstances.

Also i'm sick of everyone making singer out to be some kind of director god, i thought x-1 was sorta boring and while x-2 was better i know alot of people were complaining about that movie too.
 
Majik1387 said:
I love this.:up:



What action? where was all the action exactly? The skirmish at the end that Magneto kept calling a 'war'? That lasted about six or seven minutes and had some of the most badly coreographed crap I've ever seen. Also a load of nameless mutants with indiscriminate powers. They may as well have just left the wires in... it wouldn't have made much difference.

The action in Jean Grey's house however was pretty wonderful... that was really well done. One of the best scenes of the three films.

But still... none of it had a leg to stand on...
 
Phoenix342 said:
Yeah but they didn't have time to get over it, they had to catch mags, stop jean, figure out what to do with the school and all that other stuff, mourning had to be put on hold for that stuff to happen, like in x-2 when everyone was crying over jean yeah it was emotional but they didnt have to save the world at the same time so they had time to mourn, they did what they had to do under the circumstances.

Also i'm sick of everyone making singer out to be some kind of director god, i thought x-1 was sorta boring and while x-2 was better i know alot of people were complaining about that movie too.

They weren't even concerned about catching Magneto or stopping Phoenix till Wolverine returned from his little escapade and alerted the X-Men of Magneto's plan. They shuffled away the characters after they died as if they were chopped liver. This film didn't allow the characters to breathe at all. Such a waste.

Singer was able to make an emotionally engaging film because he cared more about the characters themselves than the action sequences and I applaud him for that. I blame the action over character approach of "X3" on Rothman and his pawns.
 
Bullsear said:
I really enjoyed this movie while I was in the theater. It was fun to watch and cool to see some of my favorite X-characters back on the screen. X-3 was an entertaining film, but what it was not, was a quality film.
The things that make a good movie (content, character development, engaging screenplay, good story telling, etc) were sadly absent from this film.
The movie was bad. That doesn't mean I didn't enjoy it. That doesn't mean it's not okay to watch.


I disagree completely. I thought it had exactly what is needed for a great film. Good character interaction, great action and a story that's driven by emotion.

It succeeded greatly in all those aspects. And judging from user reviews and people from the cinema I was in it had all those things in spades. :)

Believe it or not...a vast majority really like the movie.

Heck...take a look at the scene with Xavier vs the Phoenix...man that whole scene was so full of emotion and intensity. I was blown away when Xavier was "killed". I know some people get into spoilers and you know what? They ruined it all for themselves. They weren't on the edge of their seat hoping Logan made it in time to save the Professor like most people. That's sad.
 

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