Escape from New York (Remake)

[tyler-durden]

Why are they going with Ratner there are so many good directors out there?

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Ratner. Oh boy. There are few directors out there that lack the vision, talent, and style that Ratner does. He is grandmaster of the hack society.

Is Escape a Fox property or something? Sounds like one of their typical stupid moves.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

Ratner. Oh boy. There are few directors out there that lack the vision, talent, and style that Ratner does. He is grandmaster of the hack society.

Is Escape a Fox property or something? Sounds like one of their typical stupid moves.

Ratner definatley has talent

vision he may lack

but he definatly has talent and style, its indistinguishable in all honest quick scenes rapid pace, he makes a movie that hits hard, are a thrill ride and endsfast, he is perfect for the Rush Hours of the world, quick hitting jokes plenty of action perfect...for this not so much

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

I don't think he has talent. He merely does his job. He's like a burger flipper at McDonalds or something. He doesn't make the burger tasty or nice looking like on the menu. He simply makes it, by the numbers, very minimally. He knows the job, he just doesn't have the talent to be good at it. He merely does it.

I think he's more interested in the celebrity lifestyle than anything.

 

[Rac]

Brett Ratner? Umm, okay. Instant shait.

 

[tyler-durden]

who thinks the trailer is going to have alot of explosions? If Ratner directing then yeah it will.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Brett Ratner? Umm, okay. Instant shait.

Luv yer sigs! :heart:t:

 

[Rac]

Luv yer sigs! :heart:t:

Who doesn't?

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Who doesn't?

Ratnerds/X3 fanbowees.

 

[nocomics]

so, whats the status of this movie? I really haven't heard or really paid attention to it?

 

[Noir]

I just talked to Brett Ranter here what he has to say:

Well, first I’m going to give Snake an annoying sidekick so there can be a stream of non-stop comic banter between them.

Then I’ll make the character of the missing President a total idiot who goes around choking on pretzles and mispronouncing the word “nuclear” so that the movie has some of my famous “political subtext.”

Then I’ll just blow something up every ten minutes or so until the end of the movie (which I’ll go ahead change completely for no good reason whatsoever. Hmmm, maybe it’ll turn out that Snake isn’t really a criminal, but a good guy that has been working for the government all along!)

Wow! Remakes are so easy! Someone bring me another Hooker and some more Blow…

 

[Bishop2]

1) Is there anything to really HATE Brett Ratner for? He just does the job; he doesn't have anything in him that's memorably good, but nothing that's memorably bad about his lack of style either. Steven Spielberg once said that a director's really done his job if you don't even notice him. I think that applies to Ratner.

2) For that matter, unlike many action directors today, Ratner knows how to hold the camera ****ing still.

Based on these two elements, I think I shall transform myself into a Ratner Defender.

 

[Midnhtsun]

1) Is there anything to really HATE Brett Ratner for? He just does the job; he doesn't have anything in him that's memorably good, but nothing that's memorably bad about his lack of style either. Steven Spielberg once said that a director's really done his job if you don't even notice him. I think that applies to Ratner.

2) For that matter, unlike many action directors today, Ratner knows how to hold the camera ****ing still.

Based on these two elements, I think I shall transform myself into a Ratner Defender.

X3 is the only real reason I dont like him, he just butchered the movie and it was a dissapointment being that it was the final film of the trilogy. Aside from that I never had a problem with rush hour, infact I think thats what he is best suited at.

Corretion for #2 Directors dont really do the camera work themselves they more "direct" (not trying to be snide!) the cameramen what to do. Rarely are they hands on interms of physically holding the camera and capturing footage.

 

[Carmine Falcone]

HAHAHAHAHAHA! BRETT RATNER!





Sorry, but he's such a hack that it's hilarious.

 

[nocomics]

1) Is there anything to really HATE Brett Ratner for? He just does the job; he doesn't have anything in him that's memorably good, but nothing that's memorably bad about his lack of style either. Steven Spielberg once said that a director's really done his job if you don't even notice him. I think that applies to Ratner.

2) For that matter, unlike many action directors today, Ratner knows how to hold the camera ****ing still.

Based on these two elements, I think I shall transform myself into a Ratner Defender.

lol, ya I feel ya on that #2. I hate that shaky camera technique,ala bourne series and some others. Its just soo annoying and hard to follow the action.

 

[Bishop2]

X3 is the only real reason I dont like him, he just butchered the movie and it was a dissapointment being that it was the final film of the trilogy.

Did he really butcher it? It was a lousy script in the first place; he just shot the damn thing. The only decision he actually made during the production that I disagree with was changing Beast's final fate to the whole "UN position" thing instead of teaching at the school.

Corretion for #2 Directors dont really do the camera work themselves they more "direct" (not trying to be snide!) the cameramen what to do. Rarely are they hands on interms of physically holding the camera and capturing footage.

I think we all know that.

 

[Prognosticator]

I just came back to this thread out of curiosity......Don't f^&(ing tell me Brett Ratner's involved in this project now?!? Because that would be a g*&damn travesty, and a complete slap in the fact to the original!?

 

[Midnhtsun]

Did he really butcher it? It was a lousy script in the first place; he just shot the damn thing. The only decision he actually made during the production that I disagree with was changing Beast's final fate to the whole "UN position" thing instead of teaching at the school.

Other than the producer the director has the last say on stuff such as the script and that being who the writers are. So yea he played a large part in the failings of X3.

 

[Bishop2]

Other than the producer the director has the last say on stuff such as the script and that being who the writers are. So yea he played a large part in the failings of X3.

But you know the story of the X3 production - he was hired when filming was set to start in three weeks. Fox was looking for someone who would shoot the script the producers had already agreed to. They were determined that the movie had to be shot right then no matter what. Ratner only managed to make one major change - moving the prison set piece to the finale instead of the middle of the film, and creating the "rolling truck prison" in the middle instead. So he can't really be blamed for the script because he explicitly got the job due to the fact that he was willing to take what they had and run with it. Matthew Vaughn, in comparison, left the movie specifically because he wasn't willing to do that.

 

[Midnhtsun]

But you know the story of the X3 production - he was hired when filming was set to start in three weeks. Fox was looking for someone who would shoot the script the producers had already agreed to. They were determined that the movie had to be shot right then no matter what. Ratner only managed to make one major change - moving the prison set piece to the finale instead of the middle of the film, and creating the "rolling truck prison" in the middle instead. So he can't really be blamed for the script because he explicitly got the job due to the fact that he was willing to take what they had and run with it. Matthew Vaughn, in comparison, left the movie specifically because he wasn't willing to do that.

Well if thats the case then alright I wont blame him.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

But you know the story of the X3 production - he was hired when filming was set to start in three weeks. Fox was looking for someone who would shoot the script the producers had already agreed to. They were determined that the movie had to be shot right then no matter what. Ratner only managed to make one major change - moving the prison set piece to the finale instead of the middle of the film, and creating the "rolling truck prison" in the middle instead. So he can't really be blamed for the script because he explicitly got the job due to the fact that he was willing to take what they had and run with it. Matthew Vaughn, in comparison, left the movie specifically because he wasn't willing to do that.

Well, who knows? If every director Fox tried to get refused to do it then maybe that would have been a big neon sign to Fox telling them that how they handle properties is terribly inefficient and usually results in a poor film. Maybe they would have rethought their position and ways of handling things. Vaughn was the smart one to refuse! Ratner is pretty notorious for his ego, and I believe he thought he was a good enough director to handle the gig, which wasn't the case at all. Hell, Ratner wouldn't have pulled it off if he had 2 years and 200 million at his disposal.

None of his other movies are really that noteworthy anyways. The Rush Hour movies were all Chan, Tucker, and their rapport. You really don't need a good director to pull those movies off as it was the quality of the jokes and scenarios and the actors themselves. Both are experienced so Ratner didn't bring much other than his MTV video direction experience.

 

[Bishop2]

None of his other movies are really that noteworthy anyways. The Rush Hour movies were all Chan, Tucker, and their rapport. You really don't need a good director to pull those movies off as it was the quality of the jokes and scenarios and the actors themselves. Both are experienced so Ratner didn't bring much other than his MTV video direction experience.

I think Red Dragon was probably his best movie. Again, he's just aping an existing style, but he pulls it off pretty well.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

I think Red Dragon was probably his best movie. Again, he's just aping an existing style, but he pulls it off pretty well.

I guess I still prefer Manhunter. Very few people stand up well next to Mann, however.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Manhunter was the best of the entire Hannibal franchise IMO. The focus wasn't on Hannibal really though which is what I liked. I thought Red Dragon and Silence were good, but Hannibal and Hannibal Rising were garbage.

 

[Noir]

Hannibal Rising tried to make Hannibal an anti-hero, you should never do that. Imagine someone making a movie with Ted Bundy as an anti-hero.