Escape from New York (Remake)

[Advanced Dark]

No remakes!No prequels! Kurt Russell made Snake Plissken!

How about some original ideas instead?

It's not required that you watch it. There's more than one studio out there making films with each studio having loads of different products for you to choose from. There are some that want to see it and some that don't. This remake (should it ever happen) is obviously for those who want to see it. There are remakes that come out and original idea's every year. No biggie.

 

[cerealkiller182]

It's not required that you watch it. There's more than one studio out there making films with each studio having loads of different products for you to choose from. There are some that want to see it and some that don't. This remake (should it ever happen) is obviously for those who want to see it. There are remakes that come out and original idea's every year. No biggie.

Big biggie
it was only a matter of time before someone brought this crap excuse up.

Its an industry, if this makes bank than remakes continue.

Theres absolutely no reasonable excuse to take a movie that has been done, remake it so that it "looks better." Its a waste of time, money, and artistic integrity.

Why do people want to see remakes when theres perfecttly good "already mades"

 

[Advanced Dark]

Why do people want to see remakes when theres perfecttly good "already mades"

Why do you care? That's like whining about someone writing a book you don't want to read. Don't buy a ticket. Who cares if remakes keep getting made. Sometimes remakes bring attention to the original film. Scarface was a remake, Oceans 11, Cape Fear, The Fly, Magnificent Seven, Assault on Precinct 13, The Thing, The Departed, The Ring, Charlie & the Chocalate Factory, Invastion of the Body Snatchers, Heaven Can Wait, Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, Casino Royale, Italian Job, The Champ, King Kong, Thomas Crown Affair, 3:10 to Yuma, Throw Momma from the Train (spoof way), etc...In fact there's plenty of remakes most people don't even realize were remakes and they never would have even heard of the original if it were not for that.

So if it bugs you that much don't watch it. It's not a lame excuse. It's a waste of one's life to worry about something you don't care about.

 

[Symbiote666]

Hmm. This could cause some 'complications' for the MGS movie.

I don't see the point in a remake, but I'll see how it goes.

 

[Advanced Dark]

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117982663.html?categoryid=18&cs=1

Well will Emmerich get his brother Rolland to make it after his other remake: Fantastic Voyage. To me Fantastic Voyage is a film that screams remake.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Why do you care? That's like whining about someone writing a book you don't want to read. Don't buy a ticket. Who cares if remakes keep getting made. Sometimes remakes bring attention to the original film. Scarface was a remake, The Thing, King Kong, Thomas Crown Affair, 3:10 to Yuma, Throw Momma from the Train (spoof way), etc...In fact there's plenty of remakes most people don't even realize were remakes and they never would have even heard of the original if it were not for that

Original material can be made all they want and i dont have to see it but when they remake something that has already been done is money, time, and effort that can be put into original work. Thats the fraggin problem.

And it is a lame excuse. "You dont have to see it, you dont have to read it." True! But that doesnt give people the right to rehash **** already done.

And the other problem is that their has been an enormous amount of BAD films over the years. Movies that could actually benefit from being remade. Instead they remake a movie that is great the way it is.

So if it bugs you that much don't watch it. It's not a lame excuse. It's a waste of one's life to worry about something you don't care about.

This is something i care about. An industry and an artform that i care about and that i am trying to be a part of and its eating itself from the inside out. Its settling for mediocre and gimmicky filmmaking. Its stiffling new ideas by just redoing old ones if this trend continues and grows. It should just stop now

 

[Advanced Dark]

Original material can be made all they want and i dont have to see it but when they remake something that has already been done is money, time, and effort that can be put into original work. Thats the fraggin problem.

And it is a lame excuse. "You dont have to see it, you dont have to read it." True! But that doesnt give people the right to rehash **** already done.

And the other problem is that their has been an enormous amount of BAD films over the years. Movies that could actually benefit from being remade. Instead they remake a movie that is great the way it is.



This is something i care about. An industry and an artform that i care about and that i am trying to be a part of and its eating itself from the inside out. Its settling for mediocre and gimmicky filmmaking. Its stiffling new ideas by just redoing old ones if this trend continues and grows. It should just stop now

There's room for remakes and originals and I appreciate the time and effort put into most of the remakes mentioned above in my list. Some are good and some are bad. There's plenty of original films out there each year and tons of Indie films that you've probably never seen. I suggest you rent those or go watch those and not worry about films you don't want to see. Remakes will come every year like it or not. If enough people felt like you they wouldn't make money or win Academy Awards and they'd stop making them.

 

[cerealkiller182]

There's room for remakes and originals and I appreciate the time and effort put into most of the remakes mentioned above in my list. Some are good and some are bad. There's plenty of original films out there each year and tons of Indie films that you've probably never seen. I suggest you rent those or go watch those and not worry about films you don't want to see. Remakes will come every year like it or not. If enough people felt like you they wouldn't make money or win Academy Awards and they'd stop making them.

You should reread my post because im not against the concept of remakes.

and i do watch the indie films but no one else does but some jackass will prolly see its remake in a couple decades and say "wow brilliant," when they could see the brilliance now and then get to see more brilliance in the future from truly creative work.

 

[Advanced Dark]

You should reread my post because im not against the concept of remakes.

and i do watch the indie films but no one else does but some jackass will prolly see its remake in a couple decades and say "wow brilliant," when they could see the brilliance now and then get to see more brilliance in the future from truly creative work.

How would someone be a jackass by liking something with no knowlede of the original? If anything a remake would bring attention to the original. Sometimes remakes are superior like The Thing, The Fly, etc...

 

[cerealkiller182]

How would someone be a jackass by liking something with no knowlede of the original? If anything a remake would bring attention to the original. Sometimes remakes are superior like The Thing, The Fly, etc...

They are a jackass because they could have just enjoyed it now rather than later.

How many general audience members actually now that the Thing is a remake.

 

[Advanced Dark]

They are a jackass because they could have just enjoyed it now rather than later.

How many general audience members actually now that the Thing is a remake.

Who cares? I didnt' know it was a remake until after I watched it in the early 80's and I read a review of it that mentioned it. I then went and got the original and watched it.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Who cares? I didnt' know it was a remake until after I watched it in the early 80's and I read a review of it that mentioned it. I then went and got the original and watched it.

Well since you get turned on to the originals everyone must.

And your argument about remakes doesnt even make sense toward escape from new york since you obviously have seen or at least heard of the original

 

[Advanced Dark]

You're twisting things around CK. I wasn't arguing from that point of view...you were. The reason (which I've stated a dozen times above) is that I want to see more Plisskin stories. Kurt already tried a sequel with Carpenter and it was God awful. I want a new foundation for the character but this time around I want to see more of a back story, I want to see the film with a real budget behind it, etc...I'd also love to see the film end different with Snake still stuck in NYC at the end of the film setting up a sequel. You might want something different. We all don't share the same tastes which is probably why they make more than 1 film each year. So go watch the films you want to watch...and I'll watch the films I want to watch and we'll all be happy. You can argue till you're blue in the face about how people are jackasses or stupid or Hollywood isn't original. Fact is something you've already seen might not have been seen by someone else. Also the new generation of moviegoers might not care to watch a dated film no matter how good it is...though the story itself would interest them if updated. I've seen my share of awful remakes like War of the Worlds, King Kong, etc...However there were alot of people who liked those films and who not only bought a ticket but bought the DVD. It's not just the story that makes a film but the visuals and the directors take on the story. With very few exceptions like Psycho...most remakes not trying to copy the original word for word but they attempt to update and improve on it. Sometimes they do a great job and other times they fail. I don't care if they make 100 remakes a month. I'm only gonna watch what Im' interested and I could care less what you watch nor should you care about what I watch.

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Pointless remake.

 

[odiin]

I don't mind a remake, honestly. I'd just rather we have one AFTER we get one more Kurt Russel starring Escape movie.

Escape from Planet Earth, plz.

 

[Advanced Dark]

The last one was soooooooooooo bad though with Kurt. They won't but any budget behind it at all.

 

[odiin]

It was also a decade ago. Nobody in show business has a brain that goes back that far, so forgive and forget. Mostly I just want one more with him before it *really* becomes too late, they can make a remake anytime.

 

[Advanced Dark]

I think it really is too late. There's only so much plastic surgery and stunt doubles one can have before it become laughable. It's not like he's on HGH like Stallone. Kurt's an old man.

http://static.amctv.com/img/originals/shootout/guests517x307/russell517.jpg

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/07_02/kurtNKS2307_468x450.jpg

 

[cerealkiller182]

Theres nothing like taking a piece of work that the original creators are proud of and decide to do what you want with against the original creators wishes.

The lack of respect in Hollywood never ceases to amaze me

 

[Advanced Dark]

Theres nothing like taking a piece of work that the original creators are proud of and decide to do what you want with against the original creators wishes.

The lack of respect in Hollywood never ceases to amaze me

Well I wonder why John Carpenter is onboard as a producer then? Also even if he wasn't that would mean he sold the rights knowing that could happen. Many of these creators wouldn't have their names without the big studios risking their money on their ideas. It's a partnership. Either way it's a business the rights are owned and studios aren't headed by bankrupt idiots who only think like preservative fanboys. They want to maximize the return on their rights and if there's an audience to watch it they'll make it. Just because you like original scripts and don't want to see anything remade doens't make you better than them. Too many film snobs out there that think original material can't be improved upon. There is nothing wrong with taking a proven formula or popular story and remaking it to present it to a new generation of fans with upgraded film technology implemented. I loved Escape from NY but everytime I watch it I think "What if they had a bigger budget or today's technology to tell this tale." It's gonna be tough to beat Kurt's performance as Snake if not impossible so whoever takes over can't try to copy him. They have to make their own take on the character.

It might not happen though so we'll see.

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

The last one was soooooooooooo bad though with Kurt. They won't but any budget behind it at all.

I honestly liked it, felt like a cornball 80's movie.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Well I wonder why John Carpenter is onboard as a producer then? Also even if he wasn't that would mean he sold the rights knowing that could happen. Many of these creators wouldn't have their names without the big studios risking their money on their ideas. It's a partnership.

He didnt produce Assault on Precinct 13 or Halloween which studios moved forward on. But Carpenter did produce the Fog which we all know is a winner

more or less i was referring to Kurt Russell who made the iconic character

 

[Advanced Dark]

It was the story that carried it and the characters....mainly Kurt. The setting was awesome too and just the whole idea. The budget was clearly low on the movie and the f/x were pretty cheap but they all fit together pretty well. Unlike EFLA where the f/x stood out like a sore thumb and were just awful. Watching the movie now he was clearly underarmed going in. My favorite part was the landing on the twin towers and the descent down through the building...oh and the sewer people. I wanted to see a bit more hand to hand combat as well. I don't want to know too much about the character in one film but I do want to see him in a bank robbery or something and then getting caught. The bomb's in the neck made everything so nervewracking so they're gonna need to figure out a way to do something similar but not the same to trick the audience.

 

[Advanced Dark]

He didnt produce Assault on Precinct 13 or Halloween which studios moved forward on. But Carpenter did produce the Fog which we all know is a winner

more or less i was referring to Kurt Russell who made the iconic character

I'm talking Escape from NY remake as a producer. Yeah and Assault was a superior film than the original IMO. I didn't see the Halloween remake but Halloween isn't the kind of film that could needed a big budget in it's day and even with a huge budget it wouldn't really add to the film. Escape from NY is a sci-fi action film which could benefit greatly from today's f/x tecniques. The Fog was lame...hell even the original was dumb. John Carpenter sorta fell apart well before EFLA.

 

[cerealkiller182]

I'm talking Escape from NY remake as a producer.

I know but you said studios wouldnt move forward without the original creators and i gave two examples of when they did

Yeah and Assault was a superior film than the original IMO.

Debatable but thats neither here nor there

I didn't see the Halloween remake but Halloween isn't the kind of film that could needed a big budget in it's day and even with a huge budget it wouldn't really add to the film. Escape from NY is a sci-fi action film which could benefit greatly from today's f/x tecniques.

Big budgets dont make a good movie. That was the biggest problem with movies lately. They would just throw money at a movie and hoped that would make it better, when it doesnt. Happened with The Island and happened with Superman Returns. FX dont make the movie either.

The Fog was lame...hell even the original was dumb. John Carpenter sorta fell apart well before EFLA.

Carpenters entire career has been ups and downs but his ups completely outweigh the downs (Escape of NY is one of the ups)


Bottom line: There's no justification to remaking a movie that was GOOD the first time around.