Ethical Discussion on Cosmetic Surgery

[The Senator]

It's ALL relevant to the discussion

You guys enjoy asking me why I feel passionately about this.

Why do YOU guys seem oddly passionately in favor of it? Seriously, you're all like, really gung-ho about it

As I said, I think plastic surgery is the nonnest of the non-issues.

It is something which is up to the individuals it affects. I often wonder why body image is so important for so many people. But I don't care either way if someone decides to get plastic surgery to take care of what they consider a huge problem with themselves. Maybe the problems really are mental, maybe the problems they seek to correct will make them all the more happy once they are corrected. But in all honesty, this is something so minuscule in the greater scheme of things.

But again, what you haven't answered yet is why do YOU care so much? Why does it bother YOU that someone is willing to pay a few thousand dollars so they can change their physical appearance? You haven't really cleared that one up...

 

[kainedamo]

I feel very strongly about many, many social issues as I'm sure you do too. I'm an empathetic person. There are many international issues that concern me too. No subject is too big or too small to get my interest.

 

[Darthphere]

Obviously.

 

[knowsbleed]

The thing is, nobody is asking for you to be empathetic about this particular cause. The "victims" here should be well aware of what risks they are taking by going through the procedure.

Its also funny to me that you keep saying that its a purely westerners who feel that people should have the right to make their own decisions when it comes to plastic/cosmetic surgery when Blutac is from the UK and pretty much also disagrees with you.

 

[The Senator]

I feel very strongly about many, many social issues as I'm sure you do too. I'm an empathetic person. There are many international issues that concern me too. No subject is too big or too small to get my interest.

But this is a pointless issue.

Do you care why people eat an entire bag of Doritos in one day?
Do you care why people go out and drink until they're unable to stand up straight?
Do you care why people smoke a pack of cigarettes a day?
Do you care why people drive over the speed limit?
Do you care why people wear make-up or toupees?
Do you care why people swim without waiting thirty minutes after they eat?
Do you care why pedestrians jay-walk?

This is a silly issue which is up to people to decide on an individual basis. It doesn't matter why they seek plastic surgery or if you don't think they should. If people have money, if people have time and if they really want to get the procedure done, then no one else's opinion matters on the subject.

 

[chamber-music]

That documentary was weird, the girl who had vagina surgery didn't really need it. I'm a guy and I don't even think guys care that much how it looks unless its to do with pubic hair

There have some weird documentaries on tv lately. There was one about women obsessed with boob jobs on BBC3, on channel 5 there was a documentary about people who have are attracted to objects (one women was married to the berlin wall and had an affair with a fence) although the weirdest channel 4 documentary ever has to be the bestiality one

 

[ferret]

Damn kainedamo. How dare you care about things like that? And voicing your opinion on those issues? Outrageous!

Better not make a topic on prostitution or maybe even porn here, they'll stone you for even suggesting that many of those people might not be doing it out of their own will.
Thr biggest part of the users on these boards are men/boys lusting after perfect-after-plastic-surgery-chicks (hi thar, Megan Fox), why should they have a problem with it, silly?

 

[kainedamo]

I am passionately in favor of people owning their own bodies and doing whatever the hell they feel like doing with them without being harassed about it by people with some sort of misguided moral and philosophical axe to grind about things that don't affect them in the least.

Hey Jag (gonna checkmate you here),

What's the name of that youtube guy you cointiniously harrassed because you didn't like his method of losing weight? What gives you the right to judge? You certainly didn't believe that guy should do whatever the hell he wants with his body without being harrassed.

I got a PM informing me Joker is in fact not gay, lol. What the hell?

 

[THE MR. TERRIFIC]

I got Lasik surgery. My insurence company sure thinks it's cosmetic!

 

[jaguarr]

Hey Jag (gonna checkmate you here),

What's the name of that youtube guy you cointiniously harrassed because you didn't like his method of losing weight? What gives you the right to judge? You certainly didn't believe that guy should do whatever the hell he wants with his body without being harrassed.

Actually, that was Shadowboxing that harassed that guy. I made one post on one of his Youtube vids advising him of the potential downside effects of injecting HCG without understanding all that it does in the human body. I was promptly told I was wrong by the guy and was perfectly content to leave it at that and never bothered the guy again. Injecting drugs into your body without understanding absolutely everything they do (especially if they don't really do what you are taking them for in the first place) is lunacy. So, no checkmate on your part but I did take the chessboard and whack you in the face with it.

I got a PM informing me Joker is in fact not gay, lol. What the hell?

jag

 

[jaguarr]

But this is a pointless issue.

Do you care why people eat an entire bag of Doritos in one day?
Do you care why people go out and drink until they're unable to stand up straight?
Do you care why people smoke a pack of cigarettes a day?
Do you care why people drive over the speed limit?
Do you care why people wear make-up or toupees?
Do you care why people swim without waiting thirty minutes after they eat?
Do you care why pedestrians jay-walk?

This is a silly issue which is up to people to decide on an individual basis. It doesn't matter why they seek plastic surgery or if you don't think they should. If people have money, if people have time and if they really want to get the procedure done, then no one else's opinion matters on the subject.

It's just another case of someone being more concerned about the goings on of others and the things they do that have no effect on them whatsoever instead of focusing on their own lives and working on their own issues. In essence, it's a distraction and an excuse for Kaine to not work on Kaine.

jag

jag

 

[SapphirePrima]

Seriously, guys like looking at vaginas? They're like the most strangest parts of the woman's body. Blood and pee comes out of that.


Other than that I feel that if someone gets plastic surgery to fix disfiguring scars, straigten out lopsided boobs, ect. I don't mind it. But when someone keeps going back to get a little bit of this and a little bit of that, it's wrong.

I was watching True Life once and this girl worked at Hooters who was like a B cup got a boob job because all her coworkers encouraged it and so she could get bigger tips. I'm not sure if she had any life aspirations but she can't work at Hooters for the rest of her life so I don't know what she's gonna do with those when she's 60.

 

[Prison Mike]

Yeah, 'cause of views like this I feel like I'm living in Crazy Land. What's applaudable about someone having such a low view of themselves that they're willing to go through painful and potentially dangerous surgery for the sake of their looks? Know who I like? Girls that are like, "I'm sick and tired of female friends *****ing about their weight problems all the time - I love my body". It's a much healthier attitude. In my opinion.

Ultimately, its up to the individual. Maybe they wanna further their career, I dunno. But applaudable? That's totally laughable. You don't applaud insecurity.

yes you do. Like this

Oh and I'm pretty sure the plastic surgeons screen their patients before performing surgery on them. So they know if they're doing it for the right or wrong reasons.

 

[Logan's Runt]

This is exactly the argument leveled against tattoos, body piercings, and some of the 'heavier' body mods done today. Do you also feel passionately that they are caused by societal pressures, mental health issues, or a driving need to fix perceived defects in a person?

It is sad that there are people who get cosmetic surgery/other body mods for "wrong" reasons, or pressured reasons. (ALL of which are painful/potentially fatal. Tattoos/piercings can lead to serious infections or contraction of fatal diseases if someone is incompetent, just as someone can die from plastic surgery if the doctor is incompetent.)

I suppose I don't exactly see your point in all this. Is it that this is all sad? That no one should ever feel the need to modify their bodies? I don't understand why 'feeling a need to modify' one's body is necessarily a negative thing. I have a need to put pictures on my skin through a painful and dangerous process. It's not a need born of societal pressures to look cool or tough or colorful (though some would argue that's the only reason anyone would ever get tattoos.) It's a personal shaping and crafting to make my exterior more appropriately represent my interior. I was born with plain skin. It's sad that I feel the need to take a journey with my body that requires sacrifice, work, and blood?

Don't try to argue that cosmetic surgery is a spiritually cheaper form of body mod... somehow that tattoos because of their history have some greater weight. Body reshaping has been going on as part of culture as long as tattooing has. (In positive ways, not the forced kind.)

The bottom line is, as many here have stated, that people have the fundamental right to modify their bodies in any way they see fit- whether it's huge boobs or thirty steel bars through their penis. Unless you are that person (which you are not) you have NO right to pass judgment on the reasons that they choose to do anything to themselves. It's arrogant and disgusting for someone to turn up their nose and assume that they know why a person chose to change the way their body looks to the world and themselves.

It is not your or society's responsibility to protect people from themselves. Neither is it your right.

 

[jaguarr]

Uh-oh, Kaine. Now you done and gone woke up the Runt!

(I knew she'd be in here to give you a beat-down sooner or later.)

jag

 

[Knightsaber Priss]

I hate society for objectifying humanity to vain standards. I have vowed to look past the exterior of people and see the real personality within.

 

[Showtime]

I was watching True Life once and this girl worked at Hooters who was like a B cup got a boob job because all her coworkers encouraged it and so she could get bigger tips. I'm not sure if she had any life aspirations but she can't work at Hooters for the rest of her life so I don't know what she's gonna do with those when she's 60.

1) Donate them to science
2) Sell them at a yard sale
3) Put them in a jar on her mantle

So many possibilities!

 

[jaguarr]

Seriously, guys like looking at vaginas? They're like the most strangest parts of the woman's body. Blood and pee comes out of that.


Other than that I feel that if someone gets plastic surgery to fix disfiguring scars, straigten out lopsided boobs, ect. I don't mind it. But when someone keeps going back to get a little bit of this and a little bit of that, it's wrong.

I was watching True Life once and this girl worked at Hooters who was like a B cup got a boob job because all her coworkers encouraged it and so she could get bigger tips. I'm not sure if she had any life aspirations but she can't work at Hooters for the rest of her life so I don't know what she's gonna do with those when she's 60.

She'll be 60 but have magnificent boobs?

jag

 

[Logan's Runt]

I hate society for objectifying humanity to vain standards. I have vowed to look past the exterior of people and see the real personality within.

Which society? Modern, Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Aztec or Olmec?

Societies always hold a standard of beauty, and people will always try to live up to it. Would you rather live in a society with no concept of aesthetic beauty?

 

[The Senator]

Thr biggest part of the users on these boards are men/boys lusting after perfect-after-plastic-surgery-chicks (hi thar, Megan Fox), why should they have a problem with it, silly?

I'm a homosexual male whose only celebrity crush is on Hugh Laurie

 

[Darthphere]

Megan Fox has had plastic surgery?!


WHO GIVES A ****? I would steam roll that ***** at the first chance I got.

 

[SapphirePrima]

She'll be 60 but have magnificent boobs?

jag

By then they'll have those ripples in them.

 

[jaguarr]

By then they'll have those ripples in them.

Nah, she can just get a boob-tuck done to tighten the skin around her implants back up again. Voila! Problem solved!

jag

 

[The Lizard]

Yes, their vaginas. Women who have been mocked by cruel boyfriends for being too 'flappy',

flappy! t:

 

[knowsbleed]

This is exactly the argument leveled against tattoos, body piercings, and some of the 'heavier' body mods done today. Do you also feel passionately that they are caused by societal pressures, mental health issues, or a driving need to fix perceived defects in a person?

It is sad that there are people who get cosmetic surgery/other body mods for "wrong" reasons, or pressured reasons. (ALL of which are painful/potentially fatal. Tattoos/piercings can lead to serious infections or contraction of fatal diseases if someone is incompetent, just as someone can die from plastic surgery if the doctor is incompetent.)

I suppose I don't exactly see your point in all this. Is it that this is all sad? That no one should ever feel the need to modify their bodies? I don't understand why 'feeling a need to modify' one's body is necessarily a negative thing. I have a need to put pictures on my skin through a painful and dangerous process. It's not a need born of societal pressures to look cool or tough or colorful (though some would argue that's the only reason anyone would ever get tattoos.) It's a personal shaping and crafting to make my exterior more appropriately represent my interior. I was born with plain skin. It's sad that I feel the need to take a journey with my body that requires sacrifice, work, and blood?

Don't try to argue that cosmetic surgery is a spiritually cheaper form of body mod... somehow that tattoos because of their history have some greater weight. Body reshaping has been going on as part of culture as long as tattooing has. (In positive ways, not the forced kind.)

The bottom line is, as many here have stated, that people have the fundamental right to modify their bodies in any way they see fit- whether it's huge boobs or thirty steel bars through their penis. Unless you are that person (which you are not) you have NO right to pass judgment on the reasons that they choose to do anything to themselves. It's arrogant and disgusting for someone to turn up their nose and assume that they know why a person chose to change the way their body looks to the world and themselves.

It is not your or society's responsibility to protect people from themselves. Neither is it your right.

*Applauds*

*waits for Kaine to retort with more links to useless websites*