Ethical Discussion on Cosmetic Surgery

[Danalys]

i take the position that it's fakery. not comparable to tatoos and piercings that you couldn't have been born with.

but then how you feel about fakery is up to you.

it'd sure screw with sexual selection tho.

 

[Logan's Runt]

i take the position that it's fakery. not comparable to tatoos and piercings that you couldn't have been born with.

but then how you feel about fakery is up to you.

it'd sure screw with sexual selection tho.

Hahahaha. So it's perfectly acceptable to modify your body in any way that doesn't occur naturally, but anything that you just weren't lucky enough to get in a genetic draw is a big fat lie?

So those kids with cleft palates, tough luck, too bad mother nature hates you?

 

[Erzengel]

My gf's sister had a boob job, went from a AA to a small C. She's been wanting it for years and finally decided to get it. I don't see anything wrong with that.

Now the girls who go from A to circus size, I kinda don't understand that.

 

[Danalys]

Hahahaha. So it's perfectly acceptable to modify your body in any way that doesn't occur naturally, but anything that you just weren't lucky enough to get in a genetic draw is a big fat lie?

So those kids with cleft palates, tough luck, too bad mother nature hates you?

well they are unlucky.

 

[StorminNorman]

I'm a homosexual male whose only celebrity crush is on Hugh Laurie

If I was gay, I would be jmanspice.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

I'm a homosexual male whose only celebrity crush is on Hugh Laurie

whose isn't?

 

[SapphirePrima]

If it takes cosmetic plastic surgery to make you love yourself then that's kinda sad. You have to love yourself before you can truely let someone else love you. The best love for oneself comes from their heart.:heart: Not others.

 

[knowsbleed]

If it takes cosmetic plastic surgery to make you love yourself then that's kinda sad. You have to love yourself before you can truely let someone else love you. The best love for oneself comes from their heart.:heart: Not others.

Who says its about loving yourself. You might love the way you are as a person but would like to improve one or a few minor physical imperfections you might have. That doesn't mean you don't love yourself. And who says its about making someone love you... a lot of people undergo that type of surgery for themselves.

 

[Logan's Runt]

Who says its about loving yourself. You might love the way you are as a person but would like to improve one or a few minor physical imperfections you might have. That doesn't mean you don't love yourself. And who says its about making someone love you... a lot of people undergo that type of surgery for themselves.

Exactly.

I love myself just fine, and have someone who loves me just fine, but if I happened into a bunch of money there are a choice couple of things I'd consider having done.

 

[kainedamo]

I've seen numerous documentaries where it was clear some of the people involved on some level were doing it for the approval of others.

Like the Louis Theroux documentary. There was this woman who was dumped by her boyfriend. Months later, she gets plastic surgery. After she gets the surgery, she gets her ex over and she's like "now what do you think??". It was one of the weirdest and creepiest things I ever saw on tv.

 

[Logan's Runt]

I've seen numerous documentaries where it was clear some of the people involved on some level were doing it for the approval of others.

Like the Louis Theroux documentary. There was this woman who was dumped by her boyfriend. Months later, she gets plastic surgery. After she gets the surgery, she gets her ex over and she's like "now what do you think??". It was one of the weirdest and creepiest things I ever saw on tv.

You keep focusing on people with issues who use cosmetic surgery as a tool to further their issues.

That's like saying there's something wrong with kitchen knives because some people use them to kill themselves. Should we have an ethical discussion about kitchen knives?

 

[kainedamo]

I found the Louis Theroux documentary on youtube.

Jag, ya still lurking around?

I want you to watch this clip in particular.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EncNG8tnBuw

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Look at Louis' body at around 4:25. The surgeon insists that Louis wouldn't be able to get that body in shape by simply working out with a trainer or whatever. I mean, what do you think? You're a fitness expert.

Plus, you guys have this idea that cosmetic surgeons have a great screening process. I think the Louis documentary shows that these guys don't care that much. They work on people again and again that are clearly addicted to plastic surgery.

 

[kainedamo]

Here is the first part, if anyone is interested in watching it from the start.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vw_UpqGXGbQ

 

[Logan's Runt]

I have never claimed the surgeons have a great screening process.

It's not the surgeon's responsibility to protect people from themselves.

 

[kainedamo]

I have never claimed the surgeons have a great screening process.

It's not the surgeon's responsibility to protect people from themselves.

I agree with you that people have an individual responsibility.

But I mean, that doesn't make it right for these surgeons to take advantage.

I'm not saying that ALL people that get cosmetic surgery are in some way emotionally damaged or something. But I do think that social pressures and insecurities play into it with a good number of these people.

 

[Logan's Runt]

I agree with you that people have an individual responsibility.

But I mean, that doesn't make it right for these surgeons to take advantage.

I'm not saying that ALL people that get cosmetic surgery are in some way emotionally damaged or something. But I do think that social pressures and insecurities play into it with a good number of these people.

Did you even read my big post?

How is it your or surgeons' (or anyone else's) right to decide which people are unstable, or doing it for the 'wrong' reasons?

 

[kainedamo]

I've seen numerous documentaries where it was clear some of the people involved on some level were doing it for the approval of others.

Like the Louis Theroux documentary. There was this woman who was dumped by her boyfriend. Months later, she gets plastic surgery. After she gets the surgery, she gets her ex over and she's like "now what do you think??". It was one of the weirdest and creepiest things I ever saw on tv.

Watching it again.


She has a $2000 a day image consultant. The image consultant is really weird, alternating between putting her client down and putting her up. She's a total *****. The whole situation is pretty damn weird.

 

[kainedamo]

Did you even read my big post?

How is it your or surgeons' (or anyone else's) right to decide which people are unstable, or doing it for the 'wrong' reasons?

They're doctors. They have an ethical duty. If someone comes into the surgery and says "I want my toes removed", I don't think any doctor would do that. It's a case by case basis. A doctor should turn away people addicted to plastic surgery, IMO, otherwise there would be serious questions about that doctor's ethics.

Watching the second part of the Louis documentary. Watch the first few minutes of this anyway, the relationship between this woman and her image consultant is just weird.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8b0iC9aJXA&feature=related

 

[Logan's Runt]

They're doctors. They have an ethical duty. If someone comes into the surgery and says "I want my toes removed", I don't think any doctor would do that. It's a case by case basis. A doctor should turn away people addicted to plastic surgery, IMO, otherwise there would be serious questions about that doctor's ethics.

In the long run, it isn't their responsibility. People are responsible for themselves.

There is a large group of people who have a driving need to have parts of their bodies removed. (Body Integrity Identity Disorder) Most doctors won't do it (rare few will) so people turn to faking 'accidents' in order to get rid of the body part.

Why is being 'addicted to cosmetic surgery' something that anyone has the right to stop? Because the person ends up looking 'ugly'? Because you don't understand it? What exactly is ethically wrong with it?

 

[AndThePickles]

Kaine, labia reduction has been around for a long time. Many porn stars have had it done. Do you also think it's wrong for them to bleach their vaginal/anal areas? It's all for aesthetic purposes. Labia reduction CAN make a women lose sensitivity, but that's the risk they take.

I think my only concern in all of this would be that people should always WANT to get cosmetic surgery. Although, while pressuring people sucks, those individuals also allow themselves to be pressured, so it's still ultimately their decision.

 

[jaguarr]

I found the Louis Theroux documentary on youtube.

Jag, ya still lurking around?

I want you to watch this clip in particular.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EncNG8tnBuw




Look at Louis' body at around 4:25. The surgeon insists that Louis wouldn't be able to get that body in shape by simply working out with a trainer or whatever. I mean, what do you think? You're a fitness expert.

Plus, you guys have this idea that cosmetic surgeons have a great screening process. I think the Louis documentary shows that these guys don't care that much. They work on people again and again that are clearly addicted to plastic surgery.

So, he found an unethical surgeon who would tell him B.S. in order to get him to spend his money. And you are surprised by this why, exactly? I think it was said earlier that a REPUTABLE and ETHICAL surgeon is going to do the right thing with their clients. Not that ALL surgeons will. And, at any rate, it's still his body to do with what he wishes. If he's willing to believe some disgenuine jackass with a scalpel and an ulterior motive in order to help him self-justify his decision, that's up to him.

Kaine, I think you need to lighten up and maybe consider getting your ass-hole bleached or something just to relieve your stress over this issue.

jag

 

[Erzengel]

I hope Kaine meets the girl of his dreams only for her to reveal to him, that her boobage ain't real.

 

[kainedamo]

It depends on the circumstaances, but if I really liked I doubt it would bother me all that much.

 

[Darthphere]

So you're a hypocrite.


Close thread.

 

[Erzengel]

I win.