F4 #538

[LouFerignoDemon]

I'd really hate it if Iron Man and Captain America came to blows. Especially since Iron Man would probably decimate him. But the way it's starting to seem, Tony's and Steve's respective "militia's" will eventually have to fight each other is some larger battle, where more than likely, Steve and Tony will have to dialogue during a fight with each other.

 

[Xofenroht]

Steve is going to lay Tony out.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Even without his armor, I doubt Steve can beat the current Tony Stark.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Cap will just send Sue after Iron Man. Have you seen what she's done to Doombots and Doom? One little forcefield inside that armor and tony is toast.

 

[Xofenroht]

Even without his armor, I doubt Steve can beat the current Tony Stark.

Honestly? You're doubting that Captain America a trained SUPER soldier who can go toe to toe with Wolverine and other super powered individuals with just his shield and combat skills would get his ass kicked by Tony Stark without armor?

Give me a break...seriously.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The Extremis has supposedly enhanced Tony, too, both in the armor and out of it. I still don't think he'd take Cap down without his armor, though. Cap's got way too much experience and fighting skill to his advantage.

 

[Darthphere]

The Extremis has supposedly enhanced Tony, too, both in the armor and out of it. I still don't think he'd take Cap down without his armor, though. Cap's got way too much experience and fighting skill to his advantage.

**** that, Cap can take down Iron Man armor or not.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Honestly? You're doubting that Captain America a trained SUPER soldier who can go toe to toe with Wolverine and other super powered individuals with just his shield and combat skills would get his ass kicked by Tony Stark without armor?

Give me a break...seriously.

I'd give you a break. But the Extremis seems to lend vast amounts of superstrength that has been shown to crunch Tony's armor, vast amounts of durability, and an extreme healing factor. And he'll probably have fire breathing like the other Extremis at some point or another.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

**** that, Cap can take down Iron Man armor or not.

With the armor, he stands nearly zero of a chance.

 

[Darthphere]

With the armor, he stands nearly zero of a chance.

Nearly.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd give you a break. But the Extremis seems to lend vast amounts of superstrength that has been shown to crunch Tony's armor, vast amounts of durability, and an extreme healing factor. And he'll probably have fire breathing like the other Extremis at some point or another.

None of that really matters against Cap, in my opinion. It'll just go from a one-shot knockout for Cap if Tony were normal to an actual, challenging fight that Cap would still ultimately win.

 

[Franklin Richards]

With the armor, he stands nearly zero of a chance.

Captain America : I've heard that all my life, ma'am. I won't quit.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I think it'll ultimately come down to a philosophical argument more than a physical fight, really. Just like in Squadron Supreme, if you think about it. Like Hyperion and Nighthawk, Cap and Iron Man, no matter what happens, still respect each other and are still friends. Neither is going to actually kill the other, and I doubt they'd knock each other out before hearing each other's points and debating over it. While their respective armies fight, they'll just blab at each other.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

None of that really matters against Cap, in my opinion. It'll just go from a one-shot knockout for Cap if Tony were normal to an actual, challenging fight that Cap would still ultimately win.

Probably. Despite the fact conventional tactics didn't prove in the least bit effective against the other guy.

Cap would HAVE to win though, for the sake of the story.

If it were normal Tony, he'd be curled up in a corner, going to his happy place while Cap is bashing his skull in.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I think it'll ultimately come down to a philosophical argument more than a physical fight, really. Just like in Squadron Supreme, if you think about it. Like Hyperion and Nighthawk, Cap and Iron Man, no matter what happens, still respect each other and are still friends. Neither is going to actually kill the other, and I doubt they'd knock each other out before hearing each other's points and debating over it.

Agreed, I doubt Tony would actually KILL Cap. And Tony does seem much more open to debate than Cap is, and Cap would probably rather convince Tony to quit this over fighting him over it.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Cap can get unconventional when the situation calls for it.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Unconventional was a full powered repulsor blast to melt the guy's head.



But yeah. If it were just flat out Cap, I doubt he could win against the current Extremis powered Tony. But Cap isn't some louse, he'd have something in the wings for that.


*Coughs*EMP*Coughs* Since Tony has a lot of technological enhancements in his current state.

 

[Darthphere]

Cap would whoop on his ass.


/fanboy

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

lol I actually hope that Cap lays the beat down on Iron Man. That would be awesome since Tony seems to think he's absolutely untouchable.

 

[Xofenroht]

He still has testicles doesn't he? As long as he does, while Cap has a foot, this fight is in Cap's favor. OR Cap could just get really drunk and burp in Stark's face.

(why do I feel like I'm talking about two people I know)

 

[Phantom Lantern]

cap, falcon and thor are gonna stick it to the man.
wtf is thing doing being all neutral, he should grow a pair and run off with sue to join cap and his freedom fighters
stark and the rest of those illuminati noobs need to be hulk smashed soooo badly

down with the man !

is tony stark ******ed or something
no way is steve rogers gonna lose he's the goddamn captain america

parkers gonna be all whiny coz he gets beaten up by the bad guys the jackass gets what he deserved if he comes crawlin to cap, cap should kick his arse for being a a dirty commie bastard !!!

wolverine should slash prof x's wheelchair tyres and make the bastard eat rats

 

[Vanguard07]

LoL Your ranting makes little sense in the context of current marvel continuity but still I like your style.

Dont call Spiderman a commie though.
That's uncalled for.

LoL

 

[Vartha]

I agree. I'm hoping they refrain from having Cap and Iron Man themselves actually come to blows. As much as I love Cap, Iron Man would lay him out pretty easily.

If you read the Reigning arc of Thor, Cap held his own just about longer than BOTH Thing and Hulk against King Thor. Cap could hold his own I think, besides, if Tony's about to loose his mind, that would give Cap an advantage.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Did you seriously just say "IF" I read "The Reigning"?

Anyway, that fight was pure crap from start to finish. It made no sense whatsoever. I think Jurgens and Eaton were pressed for time and just slapped it together in a hurry. At least, that's what I choose to believe, since the alternative is that they just suck at fight scenes.

Also, if you'll recall the earlier "Standoff" arc, Thor tossed Cap aside like an ugly toddler. Cap might manage to stay on his feet for a little while against Iron Man, but the fight would ultimately go to Iron Man 9 times out of 10, in my opinion.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

If you read the Reigning arc of Thor, Cap held his own just about longer than BOTH Thing and Hulk against King Thor. Cap could hold his own I think, besides, if Tony's about to loose his mind, that would give Cap an advantage.

Aside from the part where King Thor was definitely going lightly against Cap. Someone who can bash Cap's shield in a single punch going all out against Cap equals death to Steve Rogers.

And if Tony's losing his mind to Extremis, that's probably even WORSE for Cap, as Tony will probably be even smarter.